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mopar needs to consider their supporters

Posted By: robnbird

mopar needs to consider their supporters - 01/05/12 04:16 AM

as a Mopar racer from 1970 until now. I think It need to be said that Chrysler is in some cases rip off their racers. If not for the weekend racer this sport would fold. the reason I am saying this is because some of the mopar parts are stupid in price. a cast aluminum Hemi valve cover. the one with raised rib is agout &750. hey GM performance' most expensive BBC retails for only $385. I was at a local track which is 95% GM and was discussing with a small group that I was going to build a Hemi. Someone said you better plan to rob a bank first. Come on Chrysler give us some help.

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Posted By: Performance Only

Re: mopar needs to consider their supporters - 01/05/12 04:47 AM

i see exactly what your talking about on a daily basis. everyone in my profession does. we've considered going into manufacturing for some of the items we now pay dearly for. maybe that's something you'd like to consider as well.
Posted By: sixpackgut

Re: mopar needs to consider their supporters - 01/05/12 04:58 AM

if you need it now you will pay but i cant afford to play that game and often buy brand new parts half of what retail is. just have to wait for it sometimes
Posted By: 383man

Re: mopar needs to consider their supporters - 01/05/12 05:05 AM

Heck when I worked at a Dodge dealer I bought my SS springs from Mancini because I got them cheaper from Mancini then my Dealer would sell them to me for even with my employee discount. I mean just look at the 452 aluminum head which is more or less an Eddy RPM head with straight plugs but its cheaper to buy the RPM's. Ron
Posted By: sixpakdodge

Re: mopar needs to consider their supporters - 01/05/12 05:16 AM

Maybe you guys should try calling around to different dealers.

My dealer beat Summit's price, another local dealer's price, Mancini's price, and another Mopar engine builder's price on a new Hemi block. For what it's worth, the other dealer I called was the most expensive (+$500), and the Mopar engine builder was the next cheapest (+$300).

Some dealers charge list, others will cut you a break.
Posted By: robnbird

Re: mopar needs to consider their supporters - 01/05/12 05:18 AM

I have always been a Mopar enthusiast, always. And have never understood why Chrysler in their performance market don't make their products more affordable. These valve covers blew my mind. $785. dollars. It almost ps'ss u off. Make these parts affordable, there are several cast aluminum Hemi valve covers for the $300. range. But the one I wanted are $785. not one ounce more aluminum. I not I just don't like the rip off by team players so to speek.
Posted By: robnbird

Re: mopar needs to consider their supporters - 01/05/12 05:25 AM

I would feel foolish to spend $785. on valve covers. I could, but im not. Chrysler has always been #3 in the American car line. A hemi under every hood.
Posted By: robnbird

Re: mopar needs to consider their supporters - 01/05/12 05:39 AM

I have a great local dealer, they are long time friends. but they can only discount so much. their cost on these valve covers I am talking about is not much under what they will let me have them for. Valve covers, for $785. *&%^#@ is a little gouging. But im saying Chrysler should take a look at their performance marketing. Its a joke. A mopar enthusiast should be able to buy 440 and small block Aluminum heads from mopar for no more than $650 a head. I have seen Ford and chebys less than that. Mopar double roller timeing chains for $80. come on. And you can buy better from a parts store for $35.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: mopar needs to consider their supporters - 01/05/12 05:53 AM

I was looking at a web site called cassel ent, a site for hemi parts and they have polished stage V covers for $550 that look great but it would be nice to see them a little cheaper. I would like to know when and how the hemi parts prices became to the point of being stupid.
Posted By: robnbird

Re: mopar needs to consider their supporters - 01/05/12 06:07 AM

Look up keith black cast aluminum VC. those are the one I will probably get. their polished and ribbed but 359. or 399. Not much different then the mopar performance or mopar Hemi the black ones with polished ribbed. their the ones that are $785. If KB can make and sell for $300 ish then mopar could. Ansen makes a cast aluminum for 299. I just don't like them as much. Im going to email mopar performance and complain and call them out on price gouging.
Posted By: 64HemiSavoy

Re: mopar needs to consider their supporters - 01/05/12 11:27 AM

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as a Mopar racer from 1970 until now. I think It need to be said that Chrysler is in some cases rip off their racers. If not for the weekend racer this sport would fold. the reason I am saying this is because some of the mopar parts are stupid in price. a cast aluminum Hemi valve cover. the one with raised rib is agout &750. hey GM performance' most expensive BBC retails for only $385. I was at a local track which is 95% GM and was discussing with a small group that I was going to build a Hemi. Someone said you better plan to rob a bank first. Come on Chrysler give us some help.





It is not just Ma Mopar, it is Mopar vendors as well... saw a set of repop aluminum door hinges for the 64 on Ebay for $800??? No way the fab for them should be any where that expensive.
There was a guy on here talking about making them, not seen anymore about it but would hope someone could repop some parts and not gouge the faithful.
Posted By: LA360

Re: mopar needs to consider their supporters - 01/05/12 01:45 PM

I would expect Mopar parts to be a little more expensive, as you'll sell one Mopar part to 5 Chevy parts. But in saying that, a lot of their parts are really over priced, and there are better options in the after market.
Posted By: Leon441

Re: mopar needs to consider their supporters - 01/05/12 01:56 PM

It's strictly economics. Supply and demand.

We are a handfull compared to the chevie and ford racer market. And Mopar guys want choices just like the other makes. The problem is too many choices for the same comparable part. Usually this would mean competitive pricing. But, when every guy who makes a run of parts has to say I only want 30 peices when the other makes can order 100's of the equivalant part who do you think is going to be cheaper. This I can understand.

Mopar on the other hand will outspend other makes in a particular year for NASCAR. Feeding and number of teams and covering the track at Daytona with Dodge Intrepids. Then allow NASCAR to rule them out of competition. Seems a better effort would be to make the Mopar brand parts more affordable so the little guy can get out and promote their brand. If we did not get beat up on so bad buying the Mopar brand we may have a financail opportunity to compete better.

Over the years their have been some Mopar labeled parts that were very affordable. The master cylinders is a good example of where this was not the case for no good reason. For years every tube chassis car in the pits had this master cylinder. You can buy the equalivant master cylinder through a parts store for half the price. Why? The other makes didn't mind spending the money and you would think the profits would have benefited somewhere else in our Mopar parts stores. The small block 420 intake. It was not legal in NASCAR so it was never mass sold. But, the chevy guys do not balk in buying them for $500. The killer is out of the box the intake is junk. $500 for an intake that cost no more to produce than anything. The R blocks began life at $2000. This block was the platform for all the high end W heads. Again Mopar had no program to buy a complete head ready to run that was competive. The lack of demand for the heads, block, and intakes caused the blocks to go up. Last I heard they were over $3000 and there were times when you could not get one. If they had just made the combo affordable to start with. Indy and edelbroc would have missed half their market. We raced our hearts out with the stuff and never got any support from Mopar and they never made the products affordable simply because they said there was not enough demand. Simple BS. Indy spent a boatload of money buying a head program from Batten and has sense sold a lot of heads. The Indy head is a great class option but for all out racing Mopar missed a golden opportunity.

It is not all Mopars fault. Here is where I dispute everything that I just wrote. You have 10 wannabee hard core racers Five run a Ford the other Five want a Mopar. All five ford guys will drop the $10,000 for a complete head package. Two Mopar guys step up to the plate and make the plunge. The following year 50 ford guys are repeating the process. The Mopar guy stands back and complains the price is too high.

Leon
Posted By: B G Racing

Re: mopar needs to consider their supporters - 01/05/12 02:01 PM

Indy Legend parts are more affordable than Mopar.We understand that the market for Mopar parts is not as big as some GM stuff but have you ever tried buying Ford parts?Even some Pontiac parts are crazy.Most market prices are based on supply and demand.
Posted By: robnbird

Re: mopar needs to consider their supporters - 01/05/12 09:43 PM

well I just hang up the phone with a Chrysler parts person who listened to what I had to say and said they will have someone to call back. now Im not trying to shoot the piano player, Chrysler (mopar performance) may not do anything and if they don't Im not going to be a rude dude. I just don't think they have to sell this valve cover part #p5007796 for $700 plus. that is a good definition of rediculous. About 375, well ok I can do that and not feel ripped of by my team leaders.
Posted By: Sixpak

Re: mopar needs to consider their supporters - 01/10/12 03:09 AM

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It's strictly economics. Supply and demand.






The price can definitely have something to do with the demand. Why are there so many Chevy and Ford gearheads? One, I think, is because there are more of them and therefore cheaper, and more demand.

But if Chrysler priced the stuff right, they could create their own increased demand and thereby increase volume. But no, they have to milk the hell out of their stuff.

Bottom line - don't abuse or take for granted loyal customers.
Posted By: hemiparts

Re: mopar needs to consider their supporters - 01/10/12 03:17 AM

thats why alot of dealers won't even order Mopar Performance parts because they are so high and Chrysler tagged them as non-returnable ( ie once they order them they can't send them back) plus a lot of times they can be on long deep back-order. I would look around their are some of us that still look out for the racers. Most of the time the high prices are dealers who really don't care to mess with performance parts in the first place.
Posted By: GTXX

Re: mopar needs to consider their supporters - 01/10/12 05:26 AM

I would imagine how many hands it passes through and each hands mark up has something to do with high pricing too.
Posted By: 540challenger

Re: mopar needs to consider their supporters - 01/10/12 01:57 PM

I am not 100% on this but here is my reason for SOME of the high prices. It seems Mopar doesn't maufacture alot of parts but outsources them to other venders from making block, heads, assembling the crate motors, dist, etc... This in turn means the product is market up twice before it even gets to a dealer or vendor. GM and Ford seem to keep must of their stuff i nhouse which keeps the price lower.
Posted By: racerAL

Re: mopar needs to consider their supporters - 01/10/12 03:56 PM

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well I just hang up the phone with a Chrysler parts person who listened to what I had to say and said they will have someone to call back. now Im not trying to shoot the piano player, Chrysler (mopar performance) may not do anything and if they don't Im not going to be a rude dude. I just don't think they have to sell this valve cover part #p5007796 for $700 plus. that is a good definition of rediculous. About 375, well ok I can do that and not feel ripped of by my team leaders.


. i just ran that part number(P5007796)and the suggested retail price from mopar is $918 and they are on backorder, so whoever you were getting them from for around $700 was giving you a great deal or as usual they can get them cheaper than the dealer (me). i deal with it daily...not only on the performance side but on domestic parts also...makes it tough to move there product for them, when it's price is so outa whack with most other aftermarket vendors. pretty much boils down to what's already been said "supply and demand".as long as we(racers/enthusiast)continue to pay the high prices the longer they will sell them.

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Posted By: racerAL

Re: mopar needs to consider their supporters - 01/10/12 04:11 PM

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thats why alot of dealers won't even order Mopar Performance parts because they are so high and Chrysler tagged them as non-returnable ( ie once they order them they can't send them back) plus a lot of times they can be on long deep back-order. I would look around their are some of us that still look out for the racers. Most of the time the high prices are dealers who really don't care to mess with performance parts in the first place.


...100 % dead on with a .0..lol..i have to beg my GM to let me mess with the MP stuff. i have a handful of local racers i help as much as i can, but when they can get it from jegs for less and have it the next day its a pretty easy decision who to buy from..so the more that happens less and less will dealers want to mess with the MP stuff. why on earth would they(mopar)give an aftermarket vendor better pricing on performance parts than a dealer seems odd to me. one would think it would be a partnership with there dealers and price accordingly, but they dont and are not likely to change now.
Posted By: cgall

Re: mopar needs to consider their supporters - 01/10/12 06:05 PM

Try calling Jeg's with that P/N, I called on a valve spring that they did not list in their catalog, gave them the Mopar P/N, and they gave me price way better than MP's.

If there were more of a market for MP parts, you can bet that the big warehouses would be buying in quantity and the price would come down. MP's cost with their overhead to stamp out 10 sets of valve covers is probably only marked up 15-20%. Parts are usually a cash cow for on OEM.

Also, Mopar has kept up sponsorship of the P/S teams, the Hemi shootout, NASCAR, and other racing over the years, even through near bankruptcy.
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