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Low buck upgrades?

Posted By: tboomer

Low buck upgrades? - 12/11/11 03:26 PM

Kinda thinking again...Dangerous,isn't it? Planning on glass bumpers from Sled City for my 64..Also homemade aluminum bumper brackets..Weight loss should equal a better e.t...Also want to get a quality coil and cap from Gorski to replace the autozone cap and Accel coil...I don't think that will hurt any. The MP electronic dizzy seems to work just fine. No sense replacing that! I like the air pan thread,but I don't think I have enough room under the hood!! Hope some of this stuff helps me...Anyone else have some good tips? Ted
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/11/11 04:28 PM

The air pan would help with just the cooler air...
there is always a way... BUT I dont like the drop
pans, it makes too many turns for the air... lets
face it... air like to travel in a straight line.
Also if you put a bunch of stickers/decals on the car
you can pick up at least a 100 hp... if you believe
what each product can produce
Posted By: roadhazard

Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/11/11 04:36 PM

I picked up an honest 25.45 HP with my decals Ted

PM me if you want some
Posted By: tboomer

Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/11/11 04:40 PM

Thanks,Raff! Greg...When the time comes,we will need new valve seals and valve cover gaskets..I will let you know..
Posted By: gregsdart

Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/12/11 11:31 AM

Ted, how steady is the timing? Getting rid of any spark scatter may offer some Hp. Also on the air pan, I use a moroso dropped aircleaner base pop riveted to my airpan and sealed with silicon. Decided on that after working with a 383 that we tried a flat pan on, gained significant power with a better entry system. If you have a flush machined carb top (choke towers cut off)there is a cast piece that can be mounted to round out the air entry, forget who makes them.
Have you done a full graph on the front end for Bump steer? Needs to be with in 1/8 total top to bottom. Rear axle alignment? To be sure the rears are parallel. How are the brakes? Nice and lose?
Posted By: tboomer

Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/12/11 01:22 PM

Greg...Good idea on the timing. Something to check into. I have a Dominator on it so no choke tower. There is probably only about an inch of clearance between the top of the carb and the hood scoop. I will not change the scoop!! It just looks too good on the car! I don't think there is any brake drag but it is something to look at. I do have a graph somewhere,I will look at it! Thanks!!
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/12/11 03:26 PM

Ted I'm not sure what intake manifold you are using but you may want to do so research on it. I was really shocked after flowing a couple on the bench this year to find out how restrictive some are. I ported a set of chevy dart platinum heads this summer and when we bolted his intake on our numbers dropped from 308cfm-268cfm. After some intake work we were at 300. After seeing that I checked my small block super victor and W2 victor. I will never bolt another intake on an engine out of the box again. The best way to have it checked is with it bolted to your heads, and ask for before and after numbers. Post your head and intake combo and maybe one of our members checked one out.
Posted By: gregsdart

Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/12/11 03:29 PM

On the aircleaner lid, mine is a dropped base, so the flat pan that is attached is lower than the carb aircleaner flange. If you want to do this, you can gain a 1/2 inch of clearance by making up spacers to go between the K frame and the frame rails. I used some half inch aluminum plate, cut them roughly 2 inch square, drilled the 3/4 hole for the bolt and wulla! The motor got lower by 1/2 inch. this whole setup would be better than only having an inch clearance.
Considering how tight things are now, there might be some good gains there. Carbs just don't like to be crowded up top.
Posted By: Crizila

Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/12/11 03:48 PM

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Greg...Good idea on the timing. Something to check into. I have a Dominator on it so no choke tower. There is probably only about an inch of clearance between the top of the carb and the hood scoop. I will not change the scoop!! It just looks too good on the car! I don't think there is any brake drag but it is something to look at. I do have a graph somewhere,I will look at it! Thanks!!

The best tip you will get on this thread is to fix the 1" scoop to carb inlet problem. Even going with a dropped base won't fix it. If you don't want to change the scoop, change manifolds or drop the motor some.
Posted By: Dunnuck Racing

Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/12/11 04:00 PM

A good synthetic gear lube,and synthetic wheel bearing grease can help reduce some drag,which always helps. Plus I believe it helps with consitency which is a bounus to us bracket racers.
Keith
Posted By: gregsdart

Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/13/11 11:03 PM

One more thing you can try. If you believe you are still too tight hood scoop to carb, then loosen the hood hinges and raise the back of the hood as far as you can and see (reseal the airpan!) if it helps.
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/14/11 12:52 AM

Snow Performance Meth/Water injection. $250 converts 93 into 114.
http://www.snowperformance.net/
I can tell when mines on for sure. Buddy claims a 427 3x2 veet picked up almost 60hp on the dyno.
Here's the Hemi chart.

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Posted By: tboomer

Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/14/11 02:11 AM

Thanks for the ideas,guys! I haven't been around much,trying to fill the freezer! Raff knows what I mean... I do have a Victor intake that has been hogged out a bit...If I could knock off .2 working with what I have,I would be estatic!! Keep the ideas coming....I am all ears!!
Posted By: deaks

Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/14/11 07:59 PM

hi Ted
Dwayne recommended the super sucker spacer or adaptor for my motor.
Mick
Posted By: B3422W5

Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/14/11 08:34 PM

Hey Ted

The thing i did that had the most surprising effect on ET( ALMOST A FULL TENTH) was going from a stock style water pump to an electric unit. My brother made this same swap right before i did with the same result.Helps between rounds at the track as well. REAL good upgrade that definately is seen on an ET slip.In conjunction with electric fan over a stock unit, you will see even a hair more if you still have a stock fan setup.

Doubt the bumpers and brackets will net much if anything.Been there done that.


Race front brakes didnt see on Et slip, going to fiberglass bumpers, didnt see on ET slip, big dollar fuel pump upgrade, didnt see on ET slip, lighter driveshaft, didnt see on ET slip, aluminum drum and roller bearings in transmission, didnt see on ET slip ...electric water pump, saw immediately and dramatically on ET slip.
Posted By: 383man

Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/14/11 09:41 PM

Ted do you use an alt ? If you do you could put a switch in the field circuit and turn it off making a pass. Might get a half a tenth. Ron
Posted By: Crizila

Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/14/11 11:32 PM

Quote:

Ted do you use an alt ? If you do you could put a switch in the field circuit and turn it off making a pass. Might get a half a tenth. Ron

Not a good idea with late ignition systems. Early point stuff would do ok on 12 volts. New electronic stuff likes 14 volts.
Posted By: Crizila

Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/15/11 05:38 AM

Quote:

Hey Ted

The thing i did that had the most surprising effect on ET( ALMOST A FULL TENTH) was going from a stock style water pump to an electric unit. My brother made this same swap right before i did with the same result.Helps between rounds at the track as well. REAL good upgrade that definately is seen on an ET slip.In conjunction with electric fan over a stock unit, you will see even a hair more if you still have a stock fan setup.

Doubt the bumpers and brackets will net much if anything.Been there done that.


Race front brakes didnt see on Et slip, going to fiberglass bumpers, didnt see on ET slip, big dollar fuel pump upgrade, didnt see on ET slip, lighter driveshaft, didnt see on ET slip, aluminum drum and roller bearings in transmission, didnt see on ET slip ...electric water pump, saw immediately and dramatically on ET slip.

There can be a down side to some of these mods. Had a race last month in threatening weather. We normally have 30 minutes between rounds. It looked like rain was on the way, so the track steward was polling the drivers lined up for the first round to see if anyone had objections to 15 minutes between rounds. The guy in front of me had a kitten! Claimed he couldn't get his car cooled down in that length of time cause he had to hook up his charger to run his electric pump and recharge his battery. He obviously didn't have enough pump or enough alternator to go more than one round without needing a 1/2 hour break to "replenish". He did have a fast car though - for one round . Point is: be careful not to sacrifice too much on the reliability side for an extra tenth or so.
Posted By: Evil Spirit

Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/15/11 06:01 AM

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On the aircleaner lid, mine is a dropped base, so the flat pan that is attached is lower than the carb aircleaner flange. If you want to do this, you can gain a 1/2 inch of clearance by making up spacers to go between the K frame and the frame rails. I used some half inch aluminum plate, cut them roughly 2 inch square, drilled the 3/4 hole for the bolt and wulla! The motor got lower by 1/2 inch. this whole setup would be better than only having an inch clearance.
Considering how tight things are now, there might be some good gains there. Carbs just don't like to be crowded up top.



How did that affect your alignment - not just the caster/camber, but also the bump stop heights, bumpsteer and turn in angles?
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/15/11 06:24 AM

Quote:

Ted do you use an alt ? If you do you could put a switch in the field circuit and turn it off making a pass. Might get a half a tenth. Ron



Made 0 change in my ET
Posted By: tboomer

Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/15/11 12:19 PM

With the old 446".I didn't run an alternator. It was a pain charging between rounds. I put one on and wish I would have done it sooner! I am a believer in the fact that a fully charged battery is best for the MSD ignition. Don...I have a Mezeire water pump. I like that better than the old Moroso,seems to cool quicker! Mick...I looked at the HVH site,they dont' make anything to adapt my Dommy to my 4150 Victor intake...
Posted By: 383man

Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/15/11 02:42 PM

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With the old 446".I didn't run an alternator. It was a pain charging between rounds. I put one on and wish I would have done it sooner! I am a believer in the fact that a fully charged battery is best for the MSD ignition. Don...I have a Mezeire water pump. I like that better than the old Moroso,seems to cool quicker! Mick...I looked at the HVH site,they dont' make anything to adapt my Dommy to my 4150 Victor intake...



I agree with the electronics a fully charged battery is best. I only meant to turn off the field just before a pass and then turn it right back on after the traps. But as Mr P_Body said he did not gain anything. I gained a few hundreths when I did it years ago. Ron
Posted By: tboomer

Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/15/11 02:56 PM

I hear what you are saying,Ron! I also did some research and did find out that HVH makes a 4500 to a 4150 intake adapter. But it is 2" and won't help my clearance woes. And it is 166.00!! Wilson makes a 1 1/2" open adapter for 133.00..I might look into that one..
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/15/11 04:27 PM

Not sure how much a kill switch would save you. how mauch h/p does it take to turn the alt when it's charging? 2..3 maybe. Anybody have any real world times? On my old 67 coronet I tried a few things. I disco'd the PS belt..nadda zip, Tossed a Alt belt at the line and still ran dead on 12.90, replced my HEAVY 45lb 15" Cragars w/ 14x5's and bais plys up fron...nadda 12.90. Went w/ Man steering...nadda 12.90. Now then I added 6psi of boost and dropped almost a second off the et and picked up 10mph
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/15/11 05:07 PM

Quote:

Not sure how much a kill switch would save you. how mauch h/p does it take to turn the alt when it's charging? 2..3 maybe. Anybody have any real world times? On my old 67 coronet I tried a few things. I disco'd the PS belt..nadda zip, Tossed a Alt belt at the line and still ran dead on 12.90, replced my HEAVY 45lb 15" Cragars w/ 14x5's and bais plys up fron...nadda 12.90. Went w/ Man steering...nadda 12.90. Now then I added 6psi of boost and dropped almost a second off the et and picked up 10mph



Really will make a difference on how the tune up is
when you start making these changes... some of those
changes should have made a ET change but if the tune
up was wrong then it wouldnt show a change... I use
to tune it to the best I could get, then tune it to
the new change(again the best I could get) then switch
back to see what would happen......I'm a firm believer
in A-B-A changes/checks...... JMO
Posted By: Get-X

Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/15/11 06:03 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Not sure how much a kill switch would save you. how mauch h/p does it take to turn the alt when it's charging? 2..3 maybe. Anybody have any real world times? On my old 67 coronet I tried a few things. I disco'd the PS belt..nadda zip, Tossed a Alt belt at the line and still ran dead on 12.90, replced my HEAVY 45lb 15" Cragars w/ 14x5's and bais plys up fron...nadda 12.90. Went w/ Man steering...nadda 12.90. Now then I added 6psi of boost and dropped almost a second off the et and picked up 10mph



Really will make a difference on how the tune up is
when you start making these changes... some of those
changes should have made a ET change but if the tune
up was wrong then it wouldnt show a change... I use
to tune it to the best I could get, then tune it to
the new change(again the best I could get) then switch
back to see what would happen......I'm a firm believer
in A-B-A changes/checks...... JMO




I agree Mike, thought the same thing. If you're taking a hundred pounds off of a car and see no changes, somethings not right. There is nothing more constant than weight to horsepower.
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/15/11 06:21 PM

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Not sure how much a kill switch would save you. how mauch h/p does it take to turn the alt when it's charging? 2..3 maybe. Anybody have any real world times? On my old 67 coronet I tried a few things. I disco'd the PS belt..nadda zip, Tossed a Alt belt at the line and still ran dead on 12.90, replced my HEAVY 45lb 15" Cragars w/ 14x5's and bais plys up fron...nadda 12.90. Went w/ Man steering...nadda 12.90. Now then I added 6psi of boost and dropped almost a second off the et and picked up 10mph


Really will make a difference on how the tune up is
when you start making these changes... some of those
changes should have made a ET change but if the tune
up was wrong then it wouldnt show a change... I use
to tune it to the best I could get, then tune it to
the new change(again the best I could get) then switch
back to see what would happen......I'm a firm believer
in A-B-A changes/checks...... JMO




I agree Mike, thought the same thing. If you're taking a hundred pounds off of a car and see no changes, somethings not right. There is nothing more constant than weight to horsepower.



thing was tuned as tuned could be. almost stock 9:1 440. Just was topped out at 104. 3850 at it's lightest.
Posted By: Crizila

Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/15/11 06:46 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Not sure how much a kill switch would save you. how mauch h/p does it take to turn the alt when it's charging? 2..3 maybe. Anybody have any real world times? On my old 67 coronet I tried a few things. I disco'd the PS belt..nadda zip, Tossed a Alt belt at the line and still ran dead on 12.90, replced my HEAVY 45lb 15" Cragars w/ 14x5's and bais plys up fron...nadda 12.90. Went w/ Man steering...nadda 12.90. Now then I added 6psi of boost and dropped almost a second off the et and picked up 10mph



Really will make a difference on how the tune up is
when you start making these changes... some of those
changes should have made a ET change but if the tune
up was wrong then it wouldnt show a change... I use
to tune it to the best I could get, then tune it to
the new change(again the best I could get) then switch
back to see what would happen......I'm a firm believer
in A-B-A changes/checks...... JMO


Smart!
Posted By: Clanton

Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/15/11 07:44 PM

i upgraded my intercooler pump.
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Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/17/11 09:27 PM

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Re: Low buck upgrades? - 12/18/11 06:20 AM

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