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2nd Gen Rams wheels

Posted By: racerx

2nd Gen Rams wheels - 07/25/22 12:28 PM

I have the 16" ram wheels looking to go to the 20"s what wheel spindle interchange on the front with the 95 rams? My reason for asking is the rims in question fit the rear just fine but not the front shruggy Not looking to run any spacers.
Posted By: moparx

Re: 2nd Gen Rams wheels - 07/25/22 06:03 PM

why won't the wheels fit on the front ?
beer
Posted By: HotRodDave

Re: 2nd Gen Rams wheels - 07/25/22 06:19 PM

A second gen dodge truck would be what year? 1933? I am assuming you actually have some other arbitrarily named "2nd gen" dodge truck.


Are you talking 1/2 ton? 1994-2019 1500 classic with 5 lugs all use the same pattern (even earlier ones too but I never messed with interchangin them) and easily interchange on a 4wd, on a 94-01 2wd you can't run the center caps of the later wheels because of the spindle, I ran mine like this on a 1998 2wd from an 07 1500.
Posted By: racerx

Re: 2nd Gen Rams wheels - 07/25/22 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by moparx
why won't the wheels fit on the front ?
beer

They do have the same bolt pattern as the rear, but it seems the wheel's bearing cover won't fit the wheel due to the wheel bearing (Hub) cap protrude pass the surface of the wheel. Stopping the wheel cap from seating.
Posted By: HotRodDave

Re: 2nd Gen Rams wheels - 07/26/22 01:02 AM

What year is your truck?
Posted By: Moparite

Re: 2nd Gen Rams wheels - 07/26/22 10:29 AM

Quote
A second gen dodge truck would be what year?

1994-2001 is second gen. Is it 4X4 or 4X2?
Posted By: racerx

Re: 2nd Gen Rams wheels - 07/26/22 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by HotRodDave
What year is your truck?

95
Posted By: racerx

Re: 2nd Gen Rams wheels - 07/26/22 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Moparite
Quote
A second gen dodge truck would be what year?

1994-2001 is second gen. Is it 4X4 or 4X2?

4x2
Posted By: 360view

Re: 2nd Gen Rams wheels - 07/26/22 12:10 PM

Anyone know which of the 2nd Gen Ram factory option wheels is lightest weight?

Is any such wheel equal to or lighter than an aluminum Centerline?
Posted By: HotRodDave

Re: 2nd Gen Rams wheels - 07/26/22 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Moparite
Quote
A second gen dodge truck would be what year?

1994-2001 is second gen. Is it 4X4 or 4X2?



So 1921-1993 is all first gen dodge trucks... got it.

When I ran my 1998 2wd with the later 07 20" wheels I think I put the grease cap on after the wheels and no center cap.
Posted By: moparx

Re: 2nd Gen Rams wheels - 07/26/22 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by racerx
Originally Posted by moparx
why won't the wheels fit on the front ?
beer

They do have the same bolt pattern as the rear, but it seems the wheel's bearing cover won't fit the wheel due to the wheel bearing (Hub) cap protrude pass the surface of the wheel. Stopping the wheel cap from seating.



i understand now.
beer
Posted By: Fat_Mike

Re: 2nd Gen Rams wheels - 07/26/22 09:37 PM

Have you considered 17" rims that came on the 2001 "Off Road" 4X4's (or something similar in size)? They look nice on 2X4's also...

https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/dodge,2001,ram+1500+pickup,5.9l+v8,1366590,wheel,wheel,7644
OUCH! They've They've gone up in price...
Posted By: 3hundred

Re: 2nd Gen Rams wheels - 07/26/22 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by Fat_Mike
Have you considered 17" rims that came on the 2001 "Off Road" 4X4's (or something similar in size)? They look nice on 2X4's also...

https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/dodge,2001,ram+1500+pickup,5.9l+v8,1366590,wheel,wheel,7644
OUCH! They've They've gone up in price...


Don't forget the $40 core charge for reconditioning. Those were easy to find 20 years ago, guys were pulling them off for 15x10's and easy to find tires.

rockauto liinky
Posted By: racerx

Re: 2nd Gen Rams wheels - 07/27/22 03:11 AM

And this is what I'm trying not to do. I have seen some second gens(4x2) running around with center caps. Wondering if they did a spindle change work
Posted By: NITROUSN

Re: 2nd Gen Rams wheels - 07/28/22 01:52 AM

Originally Posted by racerx
Originally Posted by moparx
why won't the wheels fit on the front ?
beer

They do have the same bolt pattern as the rear, but it seems the wheel's bearing cover won't fit the wheel due to the wheel bearing (Hub) cap protrude pass the surface of the wheel. Stopping the wheel cap from seating.


Post some pictures of your truck and the wheels you are trying to put on. The wheels should fit without the center caps.
Posted By: racerx

Re: 2nd Gen Rams wheels - 07/28/22 12:16 PM

The wheels do fit ,it's just the caps that goes with the wheels will not fit due to the spindle grease caps protrude too far past the base lip of the wheels were the cap rest.
Posted By: NITROUSN

Re: 2nd Gen Rams wheels - 07/28/22 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by racerx
The wheels do fit ,it's just the caps that goes with the wheels will not fit due to the spindle grease caps protrude too far past the base lip of the wheels were the cap rest.


Lots of wheel companies offer different center caps just for that reason. What were the wheels on before?
Posted By: racerx

Re: 2nd Gen Rams wheels - 07/29/22 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by NITROUSN
Originally Posted by racerx
The wheels do fit ,it's just the caps that goes with the wheels will not fit due to the spindle grease caps protrude too far past the base lip of the wheels were the cap rest.


Lots of wheel companies offer different center caps just for that reason. What were the wheels on before?

They came from a tire shop i would imagine they are somewhere around 2000 Dodge factory ram's rims shruggy
Posted By: NITROUSN

Re: 2nd Gen Rams wheels - 07/29/22 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by racerx
Originally Posted by NITROUSN
Originally Posted by racerx
The wheels do fit ,it's just the caps that goes with the wheels will not fit due to the spindle grease caps protrude too far past the base lip of the wheels were the cap rest.


Lots of wheel companies offer different center caps just for that reason. What were the wheels on before?

They came from a tire shop i would imagine they are somewhere around 2000 Dodge factory ram's rims shruggy


Post a picture of the rim. I doubt they are 2000 vintage as 20's came in way later.
Posted By: SNK-EYZ

Re: 2nd Gen Rams wheels - 07/29/22 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by NITROUSN
Originally Posted by racerx
Originally Posted by NITROUSN
Originally Posted by racerx
The wheels do fit ,it's just the caps that goes with the wheels will not fit due to the spindle grease caps protrude too far past the base lip of the wheels were the cap rest.


Lots of wheel companies offer different center caps just for that reason. What were the wheels on before?

They came from a tire shop i would imagine they are somewhere around 2000 Dodge factory ram's rims shruggy


Post a picture of the rim. I doubt they are 2000 vintage as 20's came in way later.


That's correct, it would be 2002 or later that 20 inch wheels would be an option.
That's probably when the hub changed happened.
Posted By: racerx

Re: 2nd Gen Rams wheels - 07/31/22 09:59 AM

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These are the wheels that i run.
Posted By: BleedDodge

Re: 2nd Gen Rams wheels - 08/12/22 06:19 AM

I been running 20 inch wheels since they came out about 20 years ago on my last 3 second gen trucks, all 2wd, and this is what I’ve found. You have a 1995 you said so I know what’s going on. I ran spacers for awhile until I had the rims machined to make the center cap holes bigger to fit over the spindle. The only trucks that are 2wd that you see with their front center caps on either had the hubs changed to the new style which happened in 2000 model year, or are 2000-2001 model year trucks. Any year of 4x4 truck will fit these wheels no problem in all years. I have owned 97,98, and 99 year trucks and all of them wouldn’t fit the wheels properly in the front. But there are ways to make them fit. Your 95 will need a hub update, spacers, or the wheels machined to make them go on.
Posted By: racerx

Re: 2nd Gen Rams wheels - 08/12/22 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by BleedDodge
I been running 20 inch wheels since they came out about 20 years ago on my last 3 second gen trucks, all 2wd, and this is what I’ve found. You have a 1995 you said so I know what’s going on. I ran spacers for awhile until I had the rims machined to make the center cap holes bigger to fit over the spindle. The only trucks that are 2wd that you see with their front center caps on either had the hubs changed to the new style which happened in 2000 model year, or are 2000-2001 model year trucks. Any year of 4x4 truck will fit these wheels no problem in all years. I have owned 97,98, and 99 year trucks and all of them wouldn’t fit the wheels properly in the front. But there are ways to make them fit. Your 95 will need a hub update, spacers, or the wheels machined to make them go on.

I'm liking the hub update option work so your saying the 2000–2001-year hubs will interchange with no issues?......Thank you wave
Posted By: BleedDodge

Re: 2nd Gen Rams wheels - 08/13/22 03:54 AM

Originally Posted by racerx

I'm liking the hub update option work so your saying the 2000–2001-year hubs will interchange with no issues?......Thank you wave

I’ve never done it, but I know guys who did it, and as I understand the newer ones are a hub with a bearing inside, unlike the spindle on the older trucks with the bearing you can change by itself, the newer ones are self contained apparently. If I were you I would just order hubs for a 2001 and put them on there.

Another thing I remembered just now as I type this is some of the wheels are different too. From 2002-2005 you could only get the flower petal style wheels but some were chrome clad and some were actual aluminum wheels. I had a set of each, and the aluminum ones had less clearance and needed a thick spacer, whereas the chrome clad ones had more clearance and could get by with a thinner spacer. Those chrome clad ones are the ones I had machined and still have on the truck. The aluminum ones I let go of years ago. They didn’t shine as much as they were like a semi wheel with the durabrite coating on them. The chrome clad wheels were prettier IMO.
Posted By: racerx

Re: 2nd Gen Rams wheels - 08/14/22 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by BleedDodge
Originally Posted by racerx

I'm liking the hub update option work so your saying the 2000–2001-year hubs will interchange with no issues?......Thank you wave

I’ve never done it, but I know guys who did it, and as I understand the newer ones are a hub with a bearing inside, unlike the spindle on the older trucks with the bearing you can change by itself, the newer ones are self contained apparently. If I were you I would just order hubs for a 2001 and put them on there.

Another thing I remembered just now as I type this is some of the wheels are different too. From 2002-2005 you could only get the flower petal style wheels but some were chrome clad and some were actual aluminum wheels. I had a set of each, and the aluminum ones had less clearance and needed a thick spacer, whereas the chrome clad ones had more clearance and could get by with a thinner spacer. Those chrome clad ones are the ones I had machined and still have on the truck. The aluminum ones I let go of years ago. They didn’t shine as much as they were like a semi wheel with the durabrite coating on them. The chrome clad wheels were prettier IMO.

Thanks for the reply......I Seach Rockauto to see if there 2000 hubs interchange with 1995's with no luck. I'm going to research deeper, iagree the chromes look's much better than the plastic looking gray ones.
Posted By: moparx

Re: 2nd Gen Rams wheels - 08/14/22 05:59 PM

aren't the 96 and newer hubs 6 bolt, while the 95 and earlier 5 bolt ?
if so, that would be the reason RA would show a difference. or was that just for dakotas ?
another reason may be the retaining threads to the knuckle may be a different pitch or size.
i'm not a truck knowledgeable guy, just throwing things out there that may be a reason for not showing compatibility.
i have mixed and matched so many components over the years that should have not been possible, but only being able to do so just by trial and error, plus listening to what others have done with success.
this issue is interesting to me because i will be learning something new from others on a subject i know nothing about.
thank you to all that are participating in this issue. you are educating an old man in something he knows nothing about. up bow
beer
Posted By: racerx

Re: 2nd Gen Rams wheels - 08/14/22 08:38 PM

From my understanding the ram was a 5 bolt pattern wheel from 2nd gen94-2001 were the same.
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