413 Truck Block Date Identification??

This truck engine I have.....I guess Chrysler in their infinite wisdom and stamping skills decided that this is sufficient enough to identify this block as a 1977??? Anyone else seen any similar casting stamps like this on a 1977 engine?

Could it be a 71?

I'd guess it's 71

There's a difference between stamped numbers and raised casting numbers.

Are there any other stamped numbers on the block i.e. data pad or pan rail? By "stamped" I mean actually stamped, not raised casting numbers.

Yep....I should have clarified that as "raised casting".... In looking at it, it looks more like a 1 to me more so than a 7 but I was told it was a 77 engine...??

I know you could get a 413 in 75. Could this be a warranty block? My dad has a 66 CT800 that had a warranty block installed in the 70's. I will check it out for sure, as i believe he has the paper work for it still.

I thought I should correct this...I believe you could get a 413 in the 77 D800.

Maybe 71 was the last casting date for the 413? Mopar might cast a load of them and the supply lasted through nearly to the end? The only things the 413 was available in were big trucks and RV chassis, how many do you suppose they expected to sell with special order 413s? Some of the end production trucks and RVs came with 440s, which could indicate they finally ran out of 413 blocks and filled the remaining orders with 440s.

I know it wasn't unusual to see Dodge chassis under RVs that were 2-3 year old manufactured chassis sold under the newer RVs. It would not be out of the realm of believing Mopar used a warehouse full of old 413 castings until they were gone. Gene

I'm not up on this era of the 413's and it seems like I have seen these engine's in the heavier trucks (D400 & up trucks) and RV's after 71 through 77 or so, so I guess any thing is possible?? The more I look at the number, the more I am thinking it is a 71 motor....??

I think it looks like 71 also. I agree the 440's were used in RV's in the late years but Never in the Large D series trucks bigger than D600. These 413's were not the typical Car and pickup style heads and water pump. More like industrial type engines... Extra heavy duty!

Again, are there any stamped numbers on the data pad or pan rail?

Here is a pic of the pad.

H is the year code for 1972, so the casting date is 11-5-71.

Thank You....!!!....

OK.......looking at this picture of the engine in whole.....what do you see?? I413 Engine right??

That is a 413 industrial.

Apparently they have very good/strong blocks that some say can be bored to 440 size but I've never read any proof of it

Yep.....they say they are an underbored 440 with extra thick ribbing on the side of the block, no casting numbers, just the casting date, better known as the cold weather blocks that can be bored to a standard 426 or 440 bore sizes, have great steel cranks with extra thick forged balancers. Also say that they have very good LY rods in them.

They also have some very funky heads...

And "they" might be completely full of $hit.

Do yourself a favor and sonic check the block before you start any plans. Otherwise the wisdom that "they" spew may be the same as all those "440 Hemis" that you hear about when talking to the ignorant.

Give a bunch of people anything out of the ordinary and they will make up a ton of stories about it and believe everything they invent.

R.

Since I have one of those 413's from back in the day, how does that waterpump housing work with those heads?

Greg

The water pump setup in that pic isn't correct, the industrial 413 has the water pump housing mounted high on the heads.

Exactly. So the water pump housing is not correct for those heads and the engine could not have run with what I see on it. Not only would the pulley's not line up but, as one can see, the head water passages are wide open to the world.

Correct, hence the open water ports at the front of the heads and the block off plates on the back of the heads. Without the correct water pump housing, I believe you would have to change the heads in order to use the block??

In researching information on this engine, I read the following......

"The water pump housing directs coolant straight from the radiator directly into the front of the heads. The heads have small sodium filled valves that can handle full throttle temperatures for long periods up long grades. The exhaust manifolds are unique to those heads."

The picture's shown above are just like our 66 413 truck engine. As stated the water pump is high on the engine. The orange pump in your picture is typical car/pickup style and would not have run that way. I would say the distributor was also "Added" to this deal. These engines usually have a much larger distributor and governor setup. The exhaust manifolds are the same as our truck (CT800) and are unique to these heads. I would add one more thing... As stated the cranks are very heavy duty and I believe the rear flange may hang out the rear farther than typical RB car type cranks.

These 413 engines will handle "full throttle loaded work" all day long. But they only run 2500-3000 RPM max.

On the subject of 413 motor home engines, can anyone decipher my pad? Mine reads:

G T 413 V 2 3 (the V might be an upside down A)

Greg

G T 413 V 2 3

G= 1971
T= Trenton engine plant
413= Displacement
V= Upside down A
2 3= Build date February 3

Thanks. Can't figure out that upside down "A"...

Greg