Sad day today, December 7th

You guys are slipping, I couldn't find a post.

In all the years December 7th has come and gone for some reason this one has made me sad to the point of tears. I think about what happened on this date in 1941 and how it changed everything and the direction of lives.

Thank you for posting this. I had not recalled the date as being today as much as I used to. Complacency is a bad thing.

I suppose many of you don't understand the emotion because of being much younger but to us baby boomers we relived it with our parents.

I did not know there were "Young" people on moparts.

We have trivia at our car club meeting on Thursday morning. Todays trivia was related to Pearl Harbor.

I have been fortunate enough to have been able to visit Hawaii twice in my life. If I got to go a hundred times more.....I would visit Pearl Harbor and the USS Arizona Memorial every time. It is a very somber and humbling experience. If any of you ever get to go, visit the Arizona Memorial and visitors center first, and the USS Missouri tour afterwards. The Missouri is docked right up from The Arizona Memorial, and they represent the beginning and the end of WWII for the USA. The Japanese surrendered on the deck of the USS Missouri.

I lived in Hawaii for a while, and every visit to that ship and memorial was sobering & choked me up a bit.
Knew a few elderly Navy guys, and they still hadn't forgotten, nor had they forgiven the Japanese for that sneak attack.
The date still pops into my head every year.
I didn't see a mention of it on this morning's News, but maybe I missed it.

Never Forget

My father served in the Navy WW2 at Pearl after the attack on a B26.
I heard his many stories.
I will never forget.
He had great disdain for war, and he enlisted the day after Pearl.

never said young, it was younger and how would I know the age demographic on MOPARTS?

A close family friend traveled around the country with his wife for almost 10 years and decided to enlist in the ARMY. He was posted in Hawaii as cook and when the Japanese attacked he was wounded. Later on in one of the island battles was disemboweled by a [censored] and sadly suffered from PTSD until his death 20 years later.

Unfortunately, we as a country and society seem to have forgotten the sacrifices our predecessors made so that most of the current generations can live a life of entitlement 😢

I wonder how busy Benihana was today.

^^^^^^^^^^^^This man gets it.

A day that shall live in infamy..God bless the souls lost on that day.Our great uncle Carly was in WW 2 and fought against the nazis.

There is a book “Legacy of Ashes” which is a semi-official history of the CIA.

The first chapter tells the story of a meeting near the end of President Eisenhower’s term as President where he literally cussed out the head of the CIA.

Eisenhower’s anger was that at the beginning of his term he had clearly ordered the CIA head to
“quit doing any of the James Bond stuff, and concentrate on making sure another Pearl Harbor-like surprise attack does not happen.”

Eisenhower angrily yelled:
“You’ve left nothing but a legacy of ashes”

A few years ago a Kentucky newspaper did a series of articles about Pearl Harbor
centered around born in Kentucky Admiral Husband E. Kimmel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Husband_E._Kimmel

These articles had a lot of stuff not normally discussed.

Washington DC Navy orders to restrict use of aviation gasoline in the Pacific
was perhaps the most
“penny wise and pound foolish”
decision ever as it stopped Sunday flights of PBY flying boats.

I'm 43, so probably younger than most here. I have a huge amount of respect for everything and everyone involved in WW2 (not limited to just WW2 of course). Both of my grandfathers fought...Navy (USS Phoenix) and Army (fought in Africa).
We need more people like them.

Not sure I understand that causation, Stopping Sunday PBY flights is a separate decision from restricting the use of aviation gasoline.
Besides, this country was so isolationist for the decade leading up to Pearl, and content to let Hitler roam unchecked in Europe for over 2 years 2 months, the lives lost at Pearl finally got us to rise up and do the right and needed thing.
That is on us, not canceled PBY flights.
There is a lesson here.

We did Hawaii a few years back. Did a cruise to all the popular islands...the only thing I was interested in was Pearl Harbor. Very sobering experience. IMO everyone should make it a goal to visit a couple places in their lives.... Pearl Harbor and the World Trade Center Memorial. I've been to both........very moving experience.

We can never ever forget those that lost there lives from the sneak attack by the japenese.As a Navy vet and veteran of the largest naval battle since WW 2, Operation Praying Mantis I and my family will never forget them!

NEVER FORGET !.......................yet, that is exactly what is happening.................

Pearl Harbour . . . always remember.

For me, my 1974 Duster360, had a build date of 12/7/73 !! . . .

Sad indeed, saw nothing on television except 1 very short news segment.
had an ex marine history teacher back in the mid 70's who was always saying " apathy apathy apathy you people will never be ready when china comes over the hill".
may turn out to be a prophetic statement.. learn from history or repeat it.

I suspect our nations historical declining personal knowledge reservoir will be found to be directly related to the declining reading of books.
That may not prove causation itself here, but IMO it's a great indicator.
Maybe even worse is the utter lack of desire to learn anything that helps to reduce the odds of repeating history.
Thats plainly evident by how few simply ask any questions. Nobody can ever know enough history.
I have no clue how to fix that mindset.

I am 42 and teach collision repair at a high school Vo-Tech. We have 7 sending schools that supply us with students. I asked them yesterday if they knew what significance the 7th was in history and also if their teachers at the home schools mentioned today. A few students (say 7 out of 50) knew what Pearl Harbor Day was. None of their teachers even mentioned the historical significance. So, I decided that we would talk about the subject in our class setting yesterday.

😢😢😢

You should also do the Vietnam and Korean war memorials

When i was in high school the one thing that I actually was interested in learning about was Vietnam. But that never happened because the books we had where so old and it didn't happen yet. This was in the early 80's! How pathetic is this that the schools can't teach the students about important times in history. Instead they drilled us about the war of 1812. Not that that shouldn't be taught but i think there are more important events in history that should be. I wonder what they are actually teaching the kids today? How to look it up on Google? In math class calculators where banned except for a few times when they where needed. With all the kids today having smart phones are they banned from bringing them into class?

It seems the most recent history often gets the most attention, I understand that. But those who are not willing to blindly accept everything simply at face value, will quickly learn with much recent history, the facts are still evolving, like in Vietnam, the Gulf of Tonkin incident that tiggered US military involvement was far from what it was originally purported to be, and more important in history, much of what happens is based on and related to the prior history of an event. A good example of that is when trying to sort out the current long running Mideast mess is it's best to first research and understand the Sykes-Picot agreement. It never ends. and books are the best source to gain an understanding of history, which seems to be a lost art and cause lately, and sadly.

I've noticed that as time goes on and the WWII vets pass away, that stuff like this tends to get ignored by the media.

I recall every Dec. 7 there used to be at least a news story about it, but I didn't see much this year. I would always tune into the American news channels to watch the coverage as a remembrance.

Locally, there was a huge explosion on Dec. 6, 1917 caused by a WWI munitions ship colliding with another ship in the harbour. Many people died and many more were severely injured and a good chunk of the city was wiped out. My Grandmother survived and used to tell me stories when I was a child. The local news used to have a story every Dec. 6, but for the past few years, nothing. Almost like it never happened.

Meanwhile all the modern woke stuff gets covered 'till I want to barf... but that's not a discussion for this forum... lol.

Agreed and SAD
How to be self entitled and narcissistic
Doubtful We weren't even allowed to use calculators in college. Reminds me of an Algebra teacher that always gave handwritten homework to solve. At the next class he would ask who solved problem # 1? I f more than one hand went up he would ask each for their solution and write it out on the board. None were the same. He would then say, YOU'RE ALL WRONG as there is no solution. This would repeat a few times but some had solutions.
It was his way of getting the student's to read and re read the chapters trying to find the solution. Didn't take me long to figure him out. But when the final was taken the scores spoke loudly of his methods

When I was a freshman in High School I was blessed to have an amazingly good chemistry teacher.
At his own personal expense he had made a special edition “circular slide rule” made to fit in a shirt pocket. The back side had a periodic table of the elements, and it had a slide out page of numerical scientific constants, and chemistry “rules of thumb.”

He was always calm. He promised all of his students that
“even though Chemistry is challenging, step by step we all are going to pull through this together get a 3 or better on the AP Chemistry Exam.”

Year after year he delivered on this promise.

Very few around today like that.

Super supportive and non-threatening, but he had fought as a Marine in the Pacific in WW-II

Like it or not, time passes. Generations pass. It's not narcissism or "kids these days". It's just time passing.

When I was a kid there were millions and millions of WW2 vets around and hundreds of millions or more who lived through it. Now there are hardly any left with first-hand memories of the actutal event.

How many of you guys commemorate the anniversary of the Battle of Gettysburg or Antietam? Those losses dwarf the losses at Pearl Harbor, but I'm sure none of you could name the date without Googling it.

Or Saratoga and Yorktown?

No, neither do I. But I'm sure for the generations who lived through it--these events were a fresh and painful and important memory.

i understand your point I believe, but that mainly is a comparison of lives lost rather lessons learned that are applicable today, and IMO the lessons from Peral are or should be much more significant.

Benihana is now owned by TPG Inc., previously known as Texas Pacific Group and TPG Capital, which is an American private equity firm based in Fort Worth, Texas.

Benihana has 5,000 employees.

The most common ethnicity at Benihana is White (52%).

23% of Benihana employees are Hispanic or Latino.

11% of Benihana employees are Asian.(I'm guessing mostly Filipino and Chinese)

(I never go there - overpriced, mediocre food)

I know I'm a dying breed but I think about those sort of things all the time. When I was kid my dad always told me our family is deeply rooted in this country. How rooted? 2 great grandfathers and great uncle at Valley Forge, dozens of family in the Civil War, a great uncle buried at Gettysburg. Service all the way up to now.. A grandson just did 4 years in the MARINES. IMO, more Americans need to start giving back so they have an appreciation for the sacrifices.

I would agree, but maybe that's due to being a boomer. My grandfather fought in WWI. My father and many relatives in WWII. Some in Korea which gets little acknowledgement and many friends Vietnam.
My interest has always been more towards WWII as it seemed I could relate to it more and maybe because we were attacked.
I escaped the draft as Nixon abolished it and both of my brothers had physical issues that kept them from serving.
I sometimes fantasize about the leaders sitting down and working out the differences but sometimes wonder if there isn't more to it than we are aware of
A big thank you to all that served 👏👏💛

sample quote

Repeated throughout history, technology has enabled battlefield surprises that must be heeded.
The Pearl Harbor attack was enabled by the then-unconventional use of aircraft carriers and their long-range aircraft to strike without detection.

The modern version of such a strike would come not from aircraft carriers,
but from cyber, ballistic and cruise missiles launched from submarines off our coast or missiles launched from mainland.
Unlike 1941, the homeland is no longer beyond the reach of our principal foe.
...snip...

In short, to avert war the nation must begin winning in the great game for strategic position,
while investing and delivering on a viable military and industry able to wage a long war.
Without this, a modern Pearl Harbor and a subsequent long war occurring is only a matter of time.

end quote

https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/would-china-dare-launch-second-pearl-harbor-america-0

^^^ Agree; but of critical importance, enemies and potential enemies must fear poking the bear enough that they don't test it.
Activities of the last several years have borne that out, not to put too fine a point on it...

This pretty much says it all LINKY

That is all fine and dandy, but when any two bit pyscho glory obsessed dictator has the capacity to in a matter of minutes take out 100? million US citizens, it might be best to be less reactive and more proactive. or suffer the consequences and add another "never forget" day tn the calendar. if we even survive

The link's answer is obvious to me, we have become a society that is obsessed with the present, unable to sacrifice for the good of future generations, and want cheap stuff at Walmart.

Part of what has never been discussed or addressed is the lower prices attained by corporate America moving to China has not been passed on to to the consumers but rather to those above the glass ceilings and individuals in DC. At this point in my life I am thankful that we have no children

I've been to Pearl Harbor twice. Last time, I was lucky to go with my Dad, who is retired Army, and we had the golden ticket to go many places most cannot. We were able to get on Base, and see things off the normal sites, like the small museums on base. We also visited the USS Utah.

This next May, my Dad and I are going on a trip to DC. I for sure want to see the Vietnam, and Korea Memorials. We are planning on driving from DC to see the USS New Jersey, and USS Wisconsin as well. I've been to 4 of the remaining Battleships. USS Missouri, USS Texas, USS Massachusetts, and USS North Carolina. My life goal is to see all 8 of the remaining Battleships.

We toured the Wisconsin as well. We are from WI and my daughter went to school in Norfolk and lived about 3 blocks from the ship. Awesome to see!!