Theives breaking in to cars....

Apparently my brother left his 2010 Challenger R/T unlocked the other night and someone went through it and stole some stuff.
He's not sure that he left it unlocked but that's what he thinks might have happened.

The took his work ID, He works for the United States Post Office.
Annoying but replaceable.

What concerns him is that they took the owners manual from the glovebox.

The reason that concerns him is that he's been told that they steal the owners manual because it has the cars PIN number inside it to get a new key fob made and programed without having the car there.

His car is now locked in the garage until he gets this figured out (he should have been doing that all along IMO).

They have his work ID so could they have a key made????
Has anyone ever heard of that before, thieves getting a key fob made like that????

Don't know the answer to your question but I would put a Club on the steering wheel.

Just reviewed the owners manual for my 2017 RAM. Didn’t see anything related to a PIN in it. There was a card in there with some numbers a bar code, assembly date and time with information on how to order a new owners manual and or CD. If there was a PIN I may have missed it.

He forgot to hit a button to lock the car, what makes you think he'll remember to put on the club, lol.

Here is info from a 2010 Challanger manual. No PIN in the manual itself.

NOTE: Only Key Fobs that are programmed to the
vehicle electronics can be used to start and operate the
vehicle. Once a Key Fob is programmed to a vehicle, it
cannot be programmed to any other vehicle.
CAUTION!
• Always remove the Key Fobs from the vehicle and
lock all doors when leaving the vehicle unattended.
• For vehicles equipped with Keyless Enter-N-Go,
always remember to place the ignition in OFF.
At the time of purchase, the original owner is provided
with a four-digit Personal Identification Number (PIN).
Keep the PIN in a secure location. This number is
required for authorized dealer replacement of Key Fobs.
Duplication of Key Fobs may be performed at an authorized
dealer, this procedure consists of programming a
blank Key Fob to the vehicle electronics. Ablank Key Fob
is one that has never been programmed.
NOTE: When having the Sentry Key Immobilizer
System serviced, bring all vehicle Key Fobs with you to
the authorized dealer.
Customer Key Programming
Programming Key Fobs or RKE transmitters may be
performed at an authorized dealer.

Dealership I go to lost 5 cars earlier this year. Thieves bought a programmer off E-Bay and were programming FOBS sitting in the cars.

If he lives in the same state that you do, leave the garage door unlocked and sleep there for a few nights (armed). I suspect they'll be back.
I HATE thieves...

Same here on the hating thieves part.

If he caught them, I'm sure he would respond with excessive loud force to defend his property.

I'm sure that he would rather avoid doing that with the drama it would involve afterwards since criminals are now coddled by so many.

He's in a suburb just outside the city of St.Louis (Lemay) for now but plans on retiring in the next 6 months and moving to a more rural area near where we at.

For now the car will be parked in the garage with padlocks on the garage doors so even if they broke in the garage they can't get the car out if they could actually get a key fob made.

He'll drive his 99 Ram truck for now which he considers kid of a beater, but isn't that bad.

You've NEVER accidentally left your car unlocked sitting in your driveway?????

10 seconds to defeat The Club with a pair of bolt cutters. Would not stop a motivated thief, the kind who had a key made. Better than nothing when it comes to some random thief looking for a random target though.

I rarely lock my 51 or my Cuda. Neither of which is hard to break into, hot wire or steal.

But it's not about me, it's about the uselessness of the club. It's more tedious to use than just locking the car with a key fob and it really doesn't do anything to stop someone determined to take your vehicle.

Sad but true story for many newer car owner.

The side glass is on nearly all new cars are "Snap In" Not bolted in like the old ones we love.

With a little patience it isn't hard to unsnap the glass and remove it from the car with the door shut. Look on Youtube and there are several porch cam videos of people removing the glass and getting into the cars.

Once inside a relatively cheap programmer can make a key work and your car is gone.

Best security option is to bond or fix the glass (all windows) to the lift mechanism so it can't be removed AND use an aftermarket hidden immobilizer & alarm. The flashing lights are not a bad thing but putting Viper alarm stickers on your car just lets the thief know what he has to bypass.

Everyone knows how to bypass the factory security but adding that random alarm & immobilizer circuit to the equation makes the thieves move to an easier target.

My buddy's car was stolen at Carlisle, a 67 Hemi GTX and he had the club on it. The club was in the spot the car was parked afterwards, the thieves just took a hack saw to the steering wheel...

unfortunately, "automatic" center punches will shatter side glass easily.
a towel against the window muffles the noise, a quick sweep of the seat, and off they go..........

Back in the 80's a friend of mine had a sweet '57 Chevy Bel Air....."Windy Blue"...he called it, since it was light Candy Blue paint. He was so paranoid about it getting stolen that he put anchors in 4 corners of the cement in his garage, and after taking it anywhere, he would anchor the car down with heavy chains....two around the lower control arms, and two around the rear axle. He had these big HD padlocks for the chains. He also disabled the ignition/battery/etc...He was fanatic about that Bel Air not getting stolen. And to my knowledge, he still has that car.

Could you post a link? couldn't find what you were referring to

OK, I'm curious. How do you defeat a club in 10 seconds with just a pair of bolt cutters? I use bolt cutters on occasion to remove padlocks and I see no way to cut a club off with a pair. Unless they are maybe 6 feet long...

I agree…it would take a serious set with mega leverage and room. Not 10 seconds.

https://youtu.be/lU82KlRxS2w

The pin for key programming is NOT in the owners manual….. unless you wrote it there.
IF you lose a key, fear one was stolen, nefarious ex has one, we can blank all keys and reprogram the ones in your possession.

With the ease of being able to steal my 01 Ram I’d always disable the injector pump and remove the starter relay. The pickup was excellent condition and I couldn’t afford to lose it easily.

With the departure of the 01 and the arrival of the 17 3500 I started researching if they too were stolen with some frequency. The informative videos on the theft of newer vehicles was astounding. While there’s great technology to prevent this built in, theirs even greater tech making it possible.

And anyone on FB it seems we’ll see at least once a week someone who’s mid 2000s Ford F-350 that has disappeared.

You cut the steering wheel not the club. Most outer rings are plastic coated metal and easy to cut. Thieves just carry a hack saw blade in their pocket.

^ this. Hacksaw, large bolt cutters, etc. Cut the wheel, bend the rim and the Club pops right off.

I have not replaced the side glass on a new challenger but I have on multiple others models. Hence the nearly all statement because I can not say everyone is like that, but all of them I have replaced made in the last 10 years or so were snap in glass. The most common breakage point from my experience is the glass sticks in the track and causes the snap to pop loose and the glass comes loose. Usually without breaking the glass but often the regulator has to be replaced. Maybe it isn't as common as I think but is the most common repair I have had to deal with. My apologies if I had the wrong impression of the problem.

This is one video that shows the guy remove the glass in one piece.

There are others but I can't find the one I was looking for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E69xDrxAWzQ

Scroll to 1:14 and you see him remove the glass in one piece.

That's kinda what I thought, it wouldn't be in the manual unless someone specifically puts it there.

He'll be at our house for Thanksgiving today and I'm sure we'll be discussing it.


I'll let him know that.

Has anyone put an old fashioned "Kill Switch" on a late model vehicle???
You know, like one that would simply short out the negative side of the coil on an old car.

I'm not sure how it would work on a computerized car.

There are quite a few deactivation systems available for late model stuff. I know a guy who got his F-350 King Ranch stolen. All they did was sit in his driveway and put a new key switch in it. He got it back and installed a starter relay and fuel pump relay that will not activate without a code from his phone.

thank you

Just this weekend Christe Lee from motor trend her new Hellcat was stolen right out of her driveway. It was all over Instagram. took all of 40 seconds. they do something under the dash on the passenger side car starts up and off they go. someone posted that with a simple electronic code scanner you can walk by something that is Wi-Fi accessible and the code pops up and you can unlock car then get to whatever they need to start the car. it sucked watching the video. someone also said this scanner thing picks up the fob in your house and matches to the vehicle. sounds crazy but that is what i have read.

this si why my car is locked in my garage with the roll up door locked and dead bolted. it really sucks you can't have anything nice.

I have also had the security fix done to my Challenger from dealer to lock out the wifi and the PCM. sucks if I lose the key fob but that's on me. and the keys are locked in my safe as well.

we had some kids rummage thru some cars in the last few weeks as well. I leave nothing in my cars or trucks. if they want a box of Kleenex so, be it!!

thief's Suck!!

Update....

My brother talked to a dealer about the owners manual PIN and keyfob stuff.

They told him the cars PIN wouldn't be in the owners manual.

They also told him that they could put a red flag on keyfobs/keys being made in the vehicles history so no one could have a key made without proof of it being the vehicle owner.

They also told him that the could reprogram all the current fobs to a new code, for $120 each fob.

As far as his USPS (Postal) work ID, someone found it a few blocks from his house and dropped it into a mailbox (like it says to do on the ID) so it's being returned and is accounted for.

www.Ravelco.com

You lose remote start (unless you leave the security plug in place).

Yes, just put an on off switch on the ground side, of the control side of the ASD or fuel pump relay. We had the security mod done to our scatpack and hellcat, the only 2 keys that will ever work are the originals. We also carry, as purple Challengers attract sheetbags.

Do you carry a throw away weapon also to prove that the perps had theirs out before you shot and killed him, them

Who doesn’t

Friend down the street had a few break ins with he Van at the GYM he runs. He finally had a person watch for days and finally this kid came back and he walked out opened the door grabbed the kid and the kids wallet. He said to him now you are going to clean my Van inside and out and put everything back. Kid started mouthing and that was it. I guess this kid could not read what was on the Vehicle with a rap that took up most of it. Brazilian Black Belt Jiu Jitsu, Taekwondo Black Belt, Black Belt Judo. UFC Traning Kickboxing Training. He said one twist of the kids arm changed the kids mind instantly. After the cleaning the kid got his wallet back and was never to be see again at or near the Gym. Thieves are getting more educated all the time and this internet is just one bad example of how to learn or buy things to be a thief.