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A Lake Mead question/curiosity

Posted By: StrokerPost

A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/06/22 06:53 PM

Can't help seeing all attention Lake Mead drying up is garnering, all the interesting things found on the bottom. Something I'm wondering about, is the Lake Mead B-29 bomber visible from the surface yet? I've tried to search it but cannot find anything but with the water level down over 100 ft I would think it might be visible by now. 🤔
Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/06/22 08:22 PM

Wasn`t it in like 300 ft of water?
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/06/22 08:22 PM

I believe it is still ~100 ft below the surface

Attached picture b29.jpg
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/06/22 08:50 PM



Interesting read about a plane disappearing in the pittsburgh area.


https://www.heinzhistorycenter.org/...mystery-of-pittsburghs-ghost-b-25-bomber
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/07/22 04:38 AM

Originally Posted by 6bblgt
I believe it is still ~100 ft below the surface

Was this plane one of the special Atomic bomb B 29 Squadron that had no guns on them?
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/07/22 07:31 PM

it was a "F-13 reconnaissance platform and performing atmospheric research" when it crashed

1948 B-29 crash Lake Mead

has anyone seen anything listed as far as GPS coordinates of the crash location - should be able to see shadows of it on Google Earth or similar? shruggy

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At 9:51 a.m. July 21, 1948, a B-29 Superfortress, weighing in at 104,556 pounds, took off from China Lake, California. It traveled to a test area near Lake Mead to conduct high-altitude atmospheric research. After the last measurements were taken, the pilot took the plane a little lower. Both the pilot and co-pilot thought they were around 400 feet above the lake’s surface, but the altimeter was reportedly off. Around 12:30 p.m. traveling at 230 miles per hour, the B-29 struck the water and sank to the bottom of Lake Mead where it still lies today.


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Posted By: cudaman1969

Re: A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/07/22 08:43 PM

Lake Meade down 100’ there’s still a lot of water there with that plane being 100’ below surface.
I was born August a year later.
Posted By: DaveRS23

Re: A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/07/22 10:56 PM

Did I hear on the news today that they found another body this weekend. The 4th one?
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/08/22 12:44 AM

A B25-C bomber crashed in Lake Greenwood, SC on D-Day during a training exercize because the pilot dipped a wing to look at a bathing beauty and a wing struck the water. It was raised in 1983 and I saw it when I moved down there in 1984. Anyone could walk right up to it so we went up close and checked it out!

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Posted By: GODSCOUNTRY340

Re: A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/09/22 03:37 PM

This was a B52 crash with 2 Nukes on it, back in the day.

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Posted By: Dart 500

Re: A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/09/22 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by DaveRS23
Did I hear on the news today that they found another body this weekend. The 4th one?


I think they found 4 the first week, probably around the 10 mark now give or take
Posted By: cudaman1969

Re: A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/09/22 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Dart 500
Originally Posted by DaveRS23
Did I hear on the news today that they found another body this weekend. The 4th one?


I think they found 4 the first week, probably around the 10 mark now give or take

Trying to swim with to much stolen chain wrapped around them.
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/09/22 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by cudaman1969
Originally Posted by Dart 500
Originally Posted by DaveRS23
Did I hear on the news today that they found another body this weekend. The 4th one?


I think they found 4 the first week, probably around the 10 mark now give or take

Trying to swim with to much stolen chain wrapped around them.


they are reporting 4 sets of remains found since May 1, 2022

& today
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The coroner’s office on Tuesday said that the partial skeletal remains that were discovered Aug. 6 near the Boulder Beach area were located in the same area as the partial remains that were found on July 25.

As this time, the coroner said, “the investigation into these remains includes working to determine whether the two sets of remains are from the same person or not.”
Posted By: Kiddart

Re: A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/10/22 05:28 PM

Do they ever say with out a shadow of a doubt what the remains were kept in? were they sunk inside barrels(steel/Wood with Cement) and then just now are coming to the surface because the water level? why wouldn't the barrel rust/fall apart and the said body rises to surface? I know lots of questions. I just cant wrap my head around all of a sudden the bodies are showing up. with the big craze of deep see diving and such nobody has ever run across this stuff? its just weird to me.

Sorry for the dumb questions
Posted By: Sniper

Re: A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/10/22 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Kiddart
Do they ever say with out a shadow of a doubt what the remains were kept in? were they sunk inside barrels(steel/Wood with Cement) and then just now are coming to the surface because the water level? why wouldn't the barrel rust/fall apart and the said body rises to surface? I know lots of questions. I just cant wrap my head around all of a sudden the bodies are showing up. with the big craze of deep see diving and such nobody has ever run across this stuff? its just weird to me.

Sorry for the dumb questions


By the time the barrel would have rusted out the body would have decomposed to the point it won;t float anymore.
Posted By: Kiddart

Re: A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/10/22 05:40 PM

That makes sense, i think. but also you would have fish food as well so it would be just a skeleton. I can understand that.

i wonder if they are going to try and solve who these people are?

thanks for the info
Posted By: PhillyRag

Re: A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/11/22 04:55 AM

Originally Posted by Kiddart
That makes sense, i think. but also you would have fish food as well so it would be just a skeleton. I can understand that.

i wonder if they are going to try and solve who these people are?

thanks for the info


Doubt it gets any priority, since the water level is of such major concern.
Posted By: crackedback

Re: A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/11/22 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by PhillyRag
Originally Posted by Kiddart
That makes sense, i think. but also you would have fish food as well so it would be just a skeleton. I can understand that.

i wonder if they are going to try and solve who these people are?

thanks for the info


Doubt it gets any priority, since the water level is of such major concern.


What is the nexus between the water level and a coroner performing their job?
Posted By: cudaman1969

Re: A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/11/22 12:49 PM

Maybe this is a blessing in disguise, no water-electricity for califonication and it will run dry too.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/12/22 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by Kiddart
That makes sense, i think. but also you would have fish food as well so it would be just a skeleton. I can understand that.

i wonder if they are going to try and solve who these people are?

thanks for the info

They, the local Las Vegas and Nevada State coroners have solved who some of them were, one lady drown back in the 1970s I think, and they are working on the others now, scope
I have cousins that move up to Las Vegas from SO CA in the mid 1950s, some of them worked in the casino a long time ago before Las Vegas got so big, I remember hearing that if you stole anything from the casino you would be found buried in a shallow grave out in the Desert not to far from town shock
I was also told that the human bodies legs and arms will end up sticking straight out of the ground after in a couple of days, faster in the summer puke down
Posted By: PhillyRag

Re: A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/12/22 05:02 AM

Originally Posted by crackedback
Originally Posted by PhillyRag
Originally Posted by Kiddart
That makes sense, i think. but also you would have fish food as well so it would be just a skeleton. I can understand that.

i wonder if they are going to try and solve who these people are?

thanks for the info


Doubt it gets any priority, since the water level is of such major concern.


What is the nexus between the water level and a coroner performing their job?


Just saying the water level should be more important with the Authorities right now, since it's critically close to closing down power generation.
As is usually the case: they're be reactive rather then proactive. Should be making plans for when/if that occurs.
Nexus? Do you think people are going to be upset if a 50+ yr cold case isn't solved, or when there are drastic power cut backs imposed across southwest?
Posted By: justinp61

Re: A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/12/22 12:50 PM

I can tell you from first hand experience that closure for the families is priceless.
Posted By: crackedback

Re: A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/12/22 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by PhillyRag
Originally Posted by crackedback
Originally Posted by PhillyRag
Originally Posted by Kiddart
That makes sense, i think. but also you would have fish food as well so it would be just a skeleton. I can understand that.

i wonder if they are going to try and solve who these people are?

thanks for the info


Doubt it gets any priority, since the water level is of such major concern.


What is the nexus between the water level and a coroner performing their job?


Just saying the water level should be more important with the Authorities right now, since it's critically close to closing down power generation.
As is usually the case: they're be reactive rather then proactive. Should be making plans for when/if that occurs.
Nexus? Do you think people are going to be upset if a 50+ yr cold case isn't solved, or when there are drastic power cut backs imposed across southwest?


Coroner responsibilities has ZERO to do with the issues you describe regarding water level and power generation.

If my Mom disappeared 50 years ago without a trace, yeah I'd like to know.
Posted By: J_BODY

Re: A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/13/22 01:25 AM

It’s really quite fascinating….. we drove up Pearce Ferry Road back in July. Basically the only place you can launch a boat is at Hemenway Harbor near Boulder City. We went by Temple Bar and South Cove which are eerily empty as the ramps that have been extended many times now look like runways. But it was over 15 years ago that Overton Beach Marina and the Echo Bay Marina were moved further away to stay in the water. Sad part is that a lot of southern Utah used some of those launches and they are no more. If you stored your boat in Meadeview AZ you’re now faced with a 75+ mile drive to get on Mead at Hemenway or below Hoover at Willow Beach. Hemenway is only 2 lanes now and I’ve seen reports of up to a 4hr wait. This has pushed a lot of Vegas boaters to make the 75 one way trek to Cottonwood Cove on Lake Mohave (lake below Mead). We used to frequent Lake Mohave and some of our favorite remote spots were north of us but we’ve noted the increase in people on the water in the last year. We planned on keeping our boat a couple more years, but the way people are throwing money around we threw it on marketplace and sold it within a day. I always wanted to tow it up to South Bay on Mead but we missed that window of opportunity. I will say I doubt there’s a more perfect place to have had a boat where we live.
Posted By: Dart 500

Re: A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/13/22 01:31 AM

Most of the "barrel people" were mob related. One of the first guys they found was apparently whacked by the guy Pesci played in Casino.

Here is some mead footage from a couple weeks ago

Posted By: TJP

Re: A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/13/22 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by PhillyRag

Just saying the water level should be more important with the Authorities right now, since it's critically close to closing down power generation.
As is usually the case: they're be reactive rather then proactive. Should be making plans for when/if that occurs.
Nexus? Do you think people are going to be upset if a 50+ yr cold case isn't solved, or when there are drastic power cut backs imposed across southwest?


iagree Solve the water / looming power issue then worry about ID'ing the remains found. Hey maybe Hoffa will surface (no pun intended) but doubtful twocents
Posted By: TC@HP2

Re: A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/13/22 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by PhillyRag
Originally Posted by crackedback
Originally Posted by PhillyRag
Originally Posted by Kiddart
That makes sense, i think. but also you would have fish food as well so it would be just a skeleton. I can understand that.

i wonder if they are going to try and solve who these people are?

thanks for the info


Doubt it gets any priority, since the water level is of such major concern.


What is the nexus between the water level and a coroner performing their job?


Just saying the water level should be more important with the Authorities right now, since it's critically close to closing down power generation.
As is usually the case: they're be reactive rather then proactive. Should be making plans for when/if that occurs.
Nexus? Do you think people are going to be upset if a 50+ yr cold case isn't solved, or when there are drastic power cut backs imposed across southwest?


Agree, dealing with water level has nothing to do with the coroner.

Frankly, fixing this problem has more to do with convincing CA, AZ, NV, NM, CO, and Mexico to cut consumption and should have started 50 years ago. Growing water hungry crops in CA and AZ where they would do better in places with more natural rainfall would be a smarter approach. But, you are going to have a hard time convincing families who have generations of usage that will refuse to change that they need to take one for the team. NV actually has done more than any of the other states in the CO River compact to cut back on water usage and recycling.

On the bodies, I thought one was IDed as a jet skier lost recently and one was IDed this week as a boater who drowned in '58. The two in barrels are going to be a bit tougher to figure
Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/13/22 01:57 PM

Water level should be up some after those last couple rain storms.
Posted By: cudaman1969

Re: A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/13/22 02:18 PM

Dessert going back to dessert, nature fixing itself. There was a reason it was dessert before, MAN CANT CHANGE CLIMATE!
Posted By: 360view

Re: A Lake Mead question/curiosity - 08/14/22 03:57 PM

Eventually water from the Missouri River drainage basin needs to be transported to the Colorado River drainage basin.

I have been amusing myself thinking about how to do this with the least wait time, and for the least money.

Boring a tunnel or burying a pipeline would take forever on legal and water/property rights alone.

My current thought is a large water treatment plant should be built on one of the southern tributaries of the Missouri basin that lies overtop an underground aquifer that extends even further southward, hopefully hundreds of miles. Highly filtered and UV light purified water from Missouri basin should be pumped down into the first aquifer. Geologists should locate a spot where this first aquifer lies overtop a second underground aquifer that extends even further south, hopefully all the way to the Colorado basin’s northern most tributary. A second pumping station should be built there. Tunnels or pumping stations should then get the water flowing into the Colorado basin.

The first, second (and maybe third) pumping stations must have a strong electrical grid tie. However they do not need to pump at a steady rate - they should consume electricity during periods of low demand, such as late night, or increase pumping when unsteady power generators like windmills are experiencing high winds.

A federal tax should be levied on Colorado water users to fund this.
The tax rate should be high enough to pay States in the Missouri River Basin large $ grants to improve their overall water and sewage systems

This is all pretty simple pre-existing engineering, except for the core drilling to confirm aquifers.

Since it is all simple,
IT WILL NEVER GET DONE
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