FCA Out $8.7 Million Thanks To Dealer Using Fake Employee

After reading this article I now understand why FCA made it where you have to be have family member preregistered for them to be eligible to get and use an Employee Pricing Control Number to get that pricing.

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A top FCA salesman is in hot water after being accused of handing out $8.7 million in fraudulent employee discounts. Apollon Nimo was handing out ‘too good to be true’ deals at his Detroit-based Parkway Chrysler-Dodge-Jeep-Ram dealership. How? Nimo illegally used at least 268 employee discount numbers to cut customers good deals. Deals that ultimately lost FCA/Stellantis out of $8.7 million. The discount used, or EPCN, gives FCA employees and their family members a 5% discount on purchases or leases.

Nimo benefited from this scam just as much as the customers he cut a deal. He reportedly earned himself around $700,000 and sold about 250 cars in January 2020, somehow going unnoticed as being suspicious. Fox 2 Detroit reports that a manager at Nimo’s Sterling Heights Dodge Chrysler Jeep Ram dealership claims that “Nimo sells more vehicles than entire sales departments at most FCA dealerships.” No wonder he was a top FCA salesman with numbers like those.

These types of deals accounted for about 21% of all EPCN-related sales for 2019 however, they accounted for half of Nimo’s sales that year. Looking even further back, 87% of Nimo’s sales were EPCN related between 2014 and 2019. He found an easy sales tactic and went with it until he got caught.

Feds say he got the discount codes as he was allegedly part of a black market of EPCN sales on private Facebook groups. Nimo was finally caught after several employees reported their employee discount numbers being used without their consent and was released on a $10,000 bond. He has been charged with wire fraud and conspiracy to commit wire fraud.

How do those numbers add up? A 5% discount on a $50,000 vehicle is $2500, so he would have had to have sold almost 3500 of them to get to $8.7M in discounts. It sounds more like that was the purchase price of 250 vehicles, not the discounts.

Just a guess, but it's probably based on they 2014 through 2019 sales and not just one year of sales.

Well I am just shocked! A crooked car salesman!

Kevin

Tim

Fake News, probably tim kunuskis the Idiot throwing this stupid headline out there.

How many times have you seen Ford, Chrysler, Nissan, Hyundai, Mercedes all running ads:

You don't have to be friends, family or employees to get

discounts anymore! Come on down to _______________ and

get yourself the secret handshake deal!!!!!




I don't know about your area, but the radio here has been plastered with this nonsense for longer than what this guy is being convicted of. This is a b.s. story: if you tell them you have mouse in your pocket you get the friends and family discount.

Your math is correct. That comes out to about $34,000.00 per vehicle......which if you factor in how much a Journey, Dart, V6 Charger or Miinivan average in price, you're bang on.

You're misreading or misinterpreting what is stated in the article.

It says he sold 250 vehicles in January 2020 alone.
He's been doing it since 2014, how many cars did he sell in that time frame????

If he sold 250 cars a month that would be 18,000 cars over 6 years.
I'm not saying it was that many vehicles, but it shows the flaw in your math since it went on for 6 years not just one month.
At least that's how I understood what the article says.

They don’t tell you how much FCA made selling that many cars though, not to mention how much return business in accessories and services.

Using your numbers, the salesman's $700,000.00 earning figure that would mean he made $38.00 a vehicle. Using BSharps' numbers the earning is $200.00 a vehicle. Which do you think is more believable?
And, 2019 minus 2014 is 5 years.........not 6 as you stated.

It's definitely not Me that's misreading or misinterpreting the article.

2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019 = 6 vehicle model years

My father had a sales manager here in the Detroit Metro area use his Chrysler company ID information to steal 7 employee discounts for his customers. The guy was caught, fired and was going to be prosecuted by Chrysler back in the mid 90's. He died so there was no trial.

The news here in Detroit also stated the guy received bonuses from the dealer for achieving sales goals for the dealership. This is big money.

I know, right? Shocker.

At the first dealer I worked at in 86, one of the new car salesmens name was Jim Crook. No lie.

I had a pastor named Sinner once and a dentist named Fillmore. And that's the Gospel truth. Same town.

Yep, another one that CAN'T READ.

The article is clearly talking about a time frame, not model years of vehicles.


lol, who's next, Mo' Farts?

2014: 1
2015: 2
2016: 3
2017: 4
2018: 5
2019: 6

The mathematical term is "inclusive".

Scam began in 2014. That is year 1 of the scam. Scam ended in 2019. That is year 6. Your calculation excludes 2014.

Yep, just like the numerous times I've seen magazine articles claim that the E-body was made for 4 years, 1970-1974...

He's probably too busy trying to be an azz here on Moparts to actually learn how to do basic math.

His replies here are just like all his others here on Moparts.
I think he probably starts every day with a bowl of Wheaties that has been pissed in and spends the rest of his day angry at the world.

I can't say that all the articles numbers are correct but the scam obviously went on for 6 years.

I only posted it because I thought some would find it interesting to read.
I didn't know that the resident grouch's would find fault with the article like they do everything else they see on here.

I've worked in auto forever and hate how it attracts the slimiest scumbags around.

Is it?

If he started in December of 2014 does that count as one year? If he quit his job in January of '15 do you Geniuses call that a full year?

If he got fired in January of 2019 does '19 count as one year as well?

Please.

In order to claim 1 year of work experience it goes: '14 to '15 is one year, '15 to '16 is two, '16 to '17 is three, '17 to '18 is four, and '18 to '19 is five.


It's just burns the Mo' Farts to no end when I'm right.

If he started in December of 2014 and he quit his job in January of 2015 do you call that a full year?

Because according to what you wrote it does.

If he only worked 364 days is that a year?

At what point does it count or not count?

We can play the nitpicking game right back at you.

You're wrong and too chickenshit to admit it.

Dude, why don't you give it a friggin rest! Who knows exactly when it started and when it ended. 5 years 6 years, who gives a flyin f..k!!!
If it makes you feel better, yes you are always right...We can now all bow down to the almighty great one.

And just when have you contributed anything of any use on this site? I certainly can't recall anything.

You're just pouting because you called me out, you don't know what you're talking about, and I corrected you. Life's tough, move on.

The only person pouting here is you because you've shown to everyone that basic math is beyond you and that angers you.

You then attack people just like you usually do on here.

Seek professional help with your anger issues, you might start enjoying life if you do that.

Or, if he started january 1st of '14 and got fired in december 31 of '15 is that only one year? Goes both ways, without knowing exact dates bickering back and forth is just like peeing in the wind (my kid did that one time, wasn't pleasant for anyone around him).

Well, Genius, still waiting for you to address my first point to you:








How about it, Math Guy? Let's get to the part where you're wrong again and my Math is right.........just like the time frame issue. Does a car salesman really only make $38.00 a vehicle?

You obviously also have a reading comprehension problem also since I already stated .

You have serious anger issues along with obvious other educational issues.

Seek professional mental help along with going back to elementary school.

You're right, I didn't read it carefully enough.

$8.7M in discounts / 0.05 discount per vehicle = $174,000,000 in total sales

$174,000,000 / $40,000 average sale price = 4350 total vehicles sold over 5.5 years

4350 / 5.5 = 791 cars per year, or an average of 2.2 cars per day, every single calendar day for 5-1/2 years. Could he do that?

I bet this is just lawyer BS and they probably factored each car as being a 5 year loan that FCA financed on each car. So they are in essence claiming that they lost out on interest revenue due to loans.

Pfft, no doubt.

I'm still waiting for Mo' Farts to believe the 250 cars in January (well known as the slowest month of the year in auto sales) tall tale is true.

250 cars divided by him working 6 days a week in January puts it at 10.4 cars a day. Yep, I'm sure that happened.

AND, the Mo' Farts still hasn't clued into the fact that the friends/employees discount works out to like 16 cars allowed for every one of the 268 people used. Does anyone have a copy of one of those coupons? Does it say you are allowed to use it 16 times? lol.

Like I said in the beginning: this is some poorly put together propaganda piece from tim the Idiot kunuskis.

It's been done before and then some.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Girard

Kevin

Once again you show that you have no clue about numbers or anything pertaining to Employee Control Numbers.

If it's 268 employees that get 6 Employee Control numbers ever year and after 6 years the total number Employee Control number that he could have fraudulently used would add up to a possible 9,648 control numbers.

That's the actual math. 268 x 6 per year = 1608 x 6 years = 9648 possible control number used fraudulently.

Another way to explain it is 268 employees with 36 control numbers each over a 6 year span still adds up to 9,648 possible control numbers used.

The Mo' Fart with no clue here appears to be you.

So now you're trying to tell us one Employee is allowed to buy 6 vehicles a year.

Prove it.

:

As a Chrysler Retiree I know that every employee and retiree gets 6 employee control numbers and 6 friends control numbers every year.
It's what I get and have available to me.

Employee control number can be used by the employee or by family members (blood relatives or by marriage) .
I've known of some Chrysler Employee's that bought a new vehicle 2 or 3 time a year themselves with the program.
Scott Sieveking (Monster Mopar) would get a new truck every 6 months, he did that for several years.

Friends control numbers can be given to anyone that wants them which is why I offer them to people here on Moparts if they want them.

Does that explain it to a point where even someone as simple minded and with as many issues as you can understand it?

Please seek professional help, you need it.

Edit: If you actually want to educate yourself on the program click on this link.
Employee Advantage Program for Vehicle purchasing

Since reading the whole page may be a problem for you here's the last line of the page.