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My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA

Posted By: 71TA

My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 04/29/20 12:05 AM

My daughter is just graduating as a PA. Her PA friend (who I introduced my daughter to, was the daughter of a Mopar friend) went to NY help (though they are paying her $13,000/wk for 3 weeks and free 1st class hotel room & board so that's a pretty strong motivation). After being there for a week she got corona. She's 28, healthy, strong willed, married, 3 young ones (under 5) at home. Seems to me as an old person foolish. $39,000 is a bunch of money but not if you lose your life.

Here's a recent update. Interesting. Hope she gets over it. Not sure how/if she's compensated now that shes sick and how long they will "put her up". A month? Her gig was only for 3 weeks. Will it be on her dime in a few days cause she's been there 18 days according to this last text.



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Posted By: jcc

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 04/29/20 12:13 AM

Sorry, I hope this has good ending.

"$39,000 is a bunch of money but not if you lose your life."

From what I can observe, most have a much lower price point for exercising their "rights" to get sick, since they are young, healthy, its only just another case of the "flu", and it only effects old people.
Posted By: ruderunner

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 04/29/20 12:35 AM

25 with 3 kids tells me she's a little impulsive and not thinking things through in general.

Best of luck to her.
Posted By: Sniper

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 04/29/20 12:36 AM

Some people have an even cheaper price to give up their rights.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 04/29/20 12:42 AM

Not a very smart girl is she. Hope she enjoys the money.
Posted By: slantzilla

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 04/29/20 12:56 AM

Hope she heals up.

I have to say, the timeline of your story and hers don't match very well.
Posted By: GoodysGotaCuda

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 04/29/20 02:05 AM

Yeesh, hopefully she is able to fully recover. What she did is signed up for infantry during a war, can be considered brave...or dumb, depending on how you perceive it. My wife has worked as an RN for quite some time now and up until COVID she picked up 2-4 shifts per month at the local hospital. As soon as this came around, that halted completely. The money is -not- worth the risk, we have two kids to consider as well...


I believe her situation of care when dealing with the virus will be non-existant. The hospitals have been seeing medical workers as sacrificial and I would be very surprised if they lift a finger to render any additional support for her situation.
Posted By: MikeyT

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 04/29/20 02:25 AM

Wow, that is sad news but my guess she is going to recover. I don't know about you, but I would feel pretty proud of her. I mean money is money, but still to go there and risk stuff to help strangers, that says a lot about her character.
Posted By: Runner2go

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 04/29/20 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by GoodysGotaCuda
Yeesh, hopefully she is able to fully recover. What she did is signed up for infantry during a war, can be considered brave...or dumb, depending on how you perceive it. My wife has worked as an RN for quite some time now and up until COVID she picked up 2-4 shifts per month at the local hospital. As soon as this came around, that halted completely. The money is -not- worth the risk, we have two kids to consider as well...


I believe her situation of care when dealing with the virus will be non-existant. The hospitals have been seeing medical workers as sacrificial and I would be very surprised if they lift a finger to render any additional support for her situation.

Well hopefully that's not the case... they wanted the help, so they should take care of them
Posted By: 71TA

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 04/29/20 02:37 AM

The disingenuous part is if she REALLY wanted to help she could have stayed in Detroit cause there's a pandemic here. But it would only be for a regular (but very good) paycheck.

Timeline.... I know she went for 3 weeks I'm guessing was about 2-3 weeks ago. My daughter mentioned something about her staying (just looked, last Wed) for another 3 weeks (the pay's good, right?) Within the past week (just checked, this past Sat) she got 'rona. Not sure what the heck she means by "being out of quarantine in 5 days"???
Posted By: jcc

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 04/29/20 02:42 AM

Guys with all due respect, the OP's daughter is not out of the woods yet, I would think holding back on the criticism, deserved or not, might be the classy thing to while she recovers.
Posted By: 71TA

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 04/29/20 03:17 AM

It's not my daughter. It's my daughters friend. She's also 28 not 25 (my mistake) but still "busy" with 3 little ones and such a risky/demanding a career.

MY daughter is 27, no kids, engaged, starts working here in the Detroit area taking very similar risks for only $60/hr on June 1st.
Posted By: jcc

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 04/29/20 03:23 AM

I stand corrected, still might be best if we let this play out before we pile on.
Posted By: Kippy

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 04/29/20 03:27 AM

In 1972 my wife graduated nursing school and got her first job as a RN at a VA hospital. 42 years later she wound up in Sloan Memorial hospital in NYC a patient herself. Its going on eleven years now and the nurses are nothing. short of terrific. One nurse however I wont ever forget.... During one of her several surgeries she was having trouble urinating. My wife can handle pain but this pain was taking hold her fast and getting worse. She started to get in a panic which made me get. in a panic. I ran into the hall looking for help instead of hitting the call button. The first person I ran into was this guy. He was built like a athlete, maybe six two. He saw how upset I was and even though my wife wasn't his patient he came into the room, saw the problem, called for urinary cat.
He asked me to step out of the room and he did what he was trained to do. My wife was now out of pain and shortly afterwards fell asleep. I was a wreck from the entire week, exhausted and upset. As I left to go home, walking down the hall I ran into this RN. I started talking to him and I broke down, I just couldn't hold it in anymore seeing her so sick. This guy put his arm around my shoulder and told me my wife would be ok and he promised to check in on her during the night even though she wasn't his patient.
Thats what these people do, they care for us and our loved ones. They give us comfort and hope. Now today we can't pay them enough money to take care of people with COVID-19.
I had this thought that after 9-11 which I saw up close, my city would get a pass with this crisis but I was wrong, were getting hit hard. The people that work in theses hospitals not just here but all through America deserve all our praise and gratitude.
God Bless this young lady who is the subject of this post, Bless her loved ones and I wish her Gods will for a speedy recovery
Posted By: 5thAve

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 04/29/20 04:15 AM

A brother of a friend of mine got it. For the first few days he said it felt like having a really bad flu, then it cleared up and he was feeling perfectly normal again but it took over 2 weeks after that before he tested negative. He's mid 50s.

That money sounds great but there's no way I'd put myself in that sort of risk purposely going to NYC when there's so many uknowns about this thing but kudos to her for doing it, even if she might not make the right decisions and might have been money driven. They do need help there.
Posted By: Sunroofcuda

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 04/29/20 04:53 AM

James, I'll tell you what - sounds like your daughters' friend fits the description of a "hero." During an emergency, most people will run away from it, while others are running TO it. I'd put her in that category. Her, & all the others in the medical field like her are true heroes. They sacrifice their own well being to help others.

I believe my family had this back in Feb., & I'm talking & hearing about other people I know who it sounds like they have also had it. My youngest daughter got it a week before me - woke up with a moderate fever & that was intermittent for about 3 days, had the dry cough, sore all over, & just generally feeling BAD. Then she started feeling better. I was next & I got hit the hardest - I was on a business trip for 4 days during the beginning of it too. I was feeling really bad for about 9 days: moderate fevers for 7 days, relentless headache, dry cough, trouble getting oxygen at night, so sore all over I could hardly sleep at night, loss of taste for about 5 days, my left eyeball was hurting, but I did not get pink eye - it hurt like someone smacked me in the eye, dizzy, vision was bad, sore neck & headache - I felt a little like I had meningitis (I had a bout with viral meningitis back in 1979), slightly sore throat & ears, and my lungs hurt - they felt strange like I knew something unusual was going on inside of them, but they were not loading-up with junk - they felt clear. The weird lung feeling was with me for a good 7 weeks or so - they finally feel good now. My other daughter & wife had their 'versions' of this after I was feeling better. My wife felt kind of crappy for a day, then felt fine except for a really bad dry cough & she lost her voice for 3 days. Her cough plagued her for about a month, then generally subsided.

Now my co-worker I believe got this back in mid-January - he's from California. His only symptoms were a terrible dry cough that lasted a good 10 weeks, plus he lost his voice for a solid month. This Corona deal hits everybody a little differently from what I can surmise. Anyway, getting it is certainly NOT a death sentence, but it is a bit nasty & certainly has some strange symptoms!
Posted By: Pale_Roader

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 04/29/20 08:14 AM


Hey... while the vast majority ov us are in no danger... this thing is not to be underestimated. I have a friend, ex-fighter, now lifter, and this guy's about as tough as they [censored] get. He and his (not so tough) wife were self-quarantining very early on, because she has immune-system issues. Well, they both got it somehow. She had a couple days ov so-so coughing... then was fine. He... was laid clean out... for 4 full days. Could barely breathe, eat, move... you name it. They got through it, but wow. It NUKED this guy. He's 36 and in incredible health.

The girl i train knows a 30yr old woman from NJ (i think) who just died. Healthy, happy, 30 year old girl, a very strong competitive powerlifter. Her whole family caught it, her dad died, then so did she. Granted, she was 5'4" 300lbs... but still.

The fearmachine is WAY off the rez on this one... but personal accountability and common sense still go a long way.
Posted By: Mr T2U

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 04/29/20 12:09 PM

i agree with this disease isn't to be messed with.

when i grew up their was a much younger neighbor girl who became good friends with my much younger sister. i really don't know this person much.
she married into $$$. her youngest daughter, in her early 30's, was traveling Europe when this mess was just starting. her last stop was Italy. her daughter brought unknowingly brought it back with her when she returned.
the mother ( my old neighbor), father, 3 sisters, 2 brothers, 4 aunts, 5 uncles, and about 10 friends all contacted this disease just from 1 person at a party celebrating her return. the infected person showed no symptoms during the party. that's just direct infection to close people, i don't know if their friends spread it to other people. to the best of my knowledge, 2 people have died from it. the mom, dad younger sister and several older relatives came really close to dying. they all were hospitalized and had to be on ventilators.
Posted By: TJP

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 04/29/20 03:38 PM

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James, I'll tell you what - sounds like your daughters' friend fits the description of a "hero." During an emergency, most people will run away from it, while others are running TO it. I'd put her in that category. Her, & all the others in the medical field like her are true heroes. They sacrifice their own well being to help others.
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iagree
If he hadn't mentioned the compensation would we have had all the negative comments ???. No one knows why she went, just that she did. Many medical, LEO's and first responders put their lives on the line every day for US. We need to support them in any way possible, not criticize. If you want to do that start, by looking in the mirror twocents
Posted By: p d'ro

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 05/03/20 12:05 PM

Its called hazard pay and is optional, no rights given up. They give it in the military too. She should be thanked for helping her fellow citizen, something many dont think about much.
Posted By: p d'ro

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 05/03/20 12:13 PM

Also, I have 3 family members with int now. One in NYC has been in and out of the hospital for a month. Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin did nothing for him. Finally got another antibiotic and infusion of Actemra, a biologic anti-immune drug. This helped big time. Finally home with oxygen tank and will make it. Step father diagnosed Wednesday. Very healthy in mid 70s but worried as this age bracket has a 8-12% death rate after infection and it is assumed now my mom will get it. Just assume everyone has it. If you get the overreaction of the immune system with massive clotting it is over. I may start a baby aspirin a day prophylaxis. Both of the above were put on blood thinners but if you have history of stroke dont do it without consulting your doctor.
Posted By: SRT6776

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 05/03/20 12:43 PM

Textbook drama queen
Posted By: CMcAllister

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 05/03/20 07:41 PM

3 little kids?

If I had 3 little kids, I wouldn't leave them to go to New York to sight see, let alone do something even more hazardous.
Posted By: NANKET

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 05/03/20 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Pale_Roader

Hey... while the vast majority ov us are in no danger... this thing is not to be underestimated. I have a friend, ex-fighter, now lifter, and this guy's about as tough as they [censored] get. He and his (not so tough) wife were self-quarantining very early on, because she has immune-system issues. Well, they both got it somehow. She had a couple days ov so-so coughing... then was fine. He... was laid clean out... for 4 full days. Could barely breathe, eat, move... you name it. They got through it, but wow. It NUKED this guy. He's 36 and in incredible health.

The girl i train knows a 30yr old woman from NJ (i think) who just died. Healthy, happy, 30 year old girl, a very strong competitive powerlifter. Her whole family caught it, her dad died, then so did she. Granted, she was 5'4" 300lbs... but still.

The fearmachine is WAY off the rez on this one... but personal accountability and common sense still go a long way.


Adults who engage in these heavy workout regimens often over do it and consequently are unknowingly suppressing their immune systems. While they are very strong and can lift a massive weight and look huge, they are not really in good “health” at all.
Posted By: Pale_Roader

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 05/04/20 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by NANKET
Originally Posted by Pale_Roader

Hey... while the vast majority ov us are in no danger... this thing is not to be underestimated. I have a friend, ex-fighter, now lifter, and this guy's about as tough as they [censored] get. He and his (not so tough) wife were self-quarantining very early on, because she has immune-system issues. Well, they both got it somehow. She had a couple days ov so-so coughing... then was fine. He... was laid clean out... for 4 full days. Could barely breathe, eat, move... you name it. They got through it, but wow. It NUKED this guy. He's 36 and in incredible health.

The girl i train knows a 30yr old woman from NJ (i think) who just died. Healthy, happy, 30 year old girl, a very strong competitive powerlifter. Her whole family caught it, her dad died, then so did she. Granted, she was 5'4" 300lbs... but still.

The fearmachine is WAY off the rez on this one... but personal accountability and common sense still go a long way.


Adults who engage in these heavy workout regimens often over do it and consequently are unknowingly suppressing their immune systems. While they are very strong and can lift a massive weight and look huge, they are not really in good “health” at all.



100% wrong. Heavy weight training, done within reason, is absolutely beneficial for the immune system, in many ways. Yes, it is possible she was one ov the VERY few that push it too far, but most modern, intelligent lifters know their limits. I live in this world. Have for 16 years now. Heavy lifters are healthy people, generally. Now... that one particular sport; powerlifting, and even bodybuilding (done at a competitive level) have other issues. Powerlifting can have diet issues, and this girl obviously was one ov those. You cant paint us with the same brush. She died, likely because she was way overweight. I am international elite level, and yeah... that means i'm one ov those few that push well beyond safe limits... and my immune system is absurdly strong. Being elite at ANY sport or physical endeavor goes well beyond 'safe' limits. Its a powerful irony yes, but some true elite athletes are not as healthy as most would think they are. Powerlifting just happens to be one ov those sports where you can be disgustingly fat and out ov shape and still win world medals. As a lifter and very successful coach i absolutely do not agree with this approach. Even my current champion, also a superheavyweight lifter, is very 'small' for her size, and in great cardiovascular shape, and extremely mobile and athletic.... even at 5'4" and 250lbs (female). She works in a dentist's office... around open mouths all week long... and she rarely gets sick.

Heavy lifting (the heavier the better) cures FAR more problems than it causes. But like anything else... do it intelligently.
Posted By: NANKET

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 05/04/20 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Pale_Roader
Originally Posted by NANKET
Originally Posted by Pale_Roader

Hey... while the vast majority ov us are in no danger... this thing is not to be underestimated. I have a friend, ex-fighter, now lifter, and this guy's about as tough as they [censored] get. He and his (not so tough) wife were self-quarantining very early on, because she has immune-system issues. Well, they both got it somehow. She had a couple days ov so-so coughing... then was fine. He... was laid clean out... for 4 full days. Could barely breathe, eat, move... you name it. They got through it, but wow. It NUKED this guy. He's 36 and in incredible health.

The girl i train knows a 30yr old woman from NJ (i think) who just died. Healthy, happy, 30 year old girl, a very strong competitive powerlifter. Her whole family caught it, her dad died, then so did she. Granted, she was 5'4" 300lbs... but still.

The fearmachine is WAY off the rez on this one... but personal accountability and common sense still go a long way.


Adults who engage in these heavy workout regimens often over do it and consequently are unknowingly suppressing their immune systems. While they are very strong and can lift a massive weight and look huge, they are not really in good “health” at all.



100% wrong. Heavy weight training, done within reason, is absolutely beneficial for the immune system, in many ways. Yes, it is possible she was one ov the VERY few that push it too far, but most modern, intelligent lifters know their limits. I live in this world. Have for 16 years now. Heavy lifters are healthy people, generally. Now... that one particular sport; powerlifting, and even bodybuilding (done at a competitive level) have other issues. Powerlifting can have diet issues, and this girl obviously was one ov those. You cant paint us with the same brush. She died, likely because she was way overweight. I am international elite level, and yeah... that means i'm one ov those few that push well beyond safe limits... and my immune system is absurdly strong. Being elite at ANY sport or physical endeavor goes well beyond 'safe' limits. Its a powerful irony yes, but some true elite athletes are not as healthy as most would think they are. Powerlifting just happens to be one ov those sports where you can be disgustingly fat and out ov shape and still win world medals. As a lifter and very successful coach i absolutely do not agree with this approach. Even my current champion, also a superheavyweight lifter, is very 'small' for her size, and in great cardiovascular shape, and extremely mobile and athletic.... even at 5'4" and 250lbs (female). She works in a dentist's office... around open mouths all week long... and she rarely gets sick.

Heavy lifting (the heavier the better) cures FAR more problems than it causes. But like anything else... do it intelligently.


About 14 of these people do it within reason, others are off the charts overkill. How many big and buff weight lifters live To 60-70-80-90-100? How many drop dead of heart problems? How many take performance enhancing drugs or diet/supplement regimens that undermine good health. Be honest. You just admitted you go to far with your activities. That’s how you get to be the best by pushing it. If it was easy we all would be there. You can’t have it both ways.
Posted By: 70plymA34

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 05/04/20 06:11 PM

My daughter is just graduating as a PA. Her PA friend (who I introduced my daughter to, was the daughter of a Mopar friend) went to NY help (though they are paying her $13,000/wk for 3 weeks and free 1st class hotel room & board so that's a pretty strong motivation). After being there for a week she got corona. She's 28, healthy, strong willed, married, 3 young ones (under 5) at home. Seems to me as an old person foolish. $39,000 is a bunch of money but not if you lose your life.

Here's a recent update. Interesting. Hope she gets over it. Not sure how/if she's compensated now that shes sick and how long they will "put her up". A month? Her gig was only for 3 weeks. Will it be on her dime in a few days cause she's been there 18 days according to this last text.



**Much thanks to your daughters friend that came here to NY to help during this horrible time. ** I see EMS crews from all over the US in NYC and most that I speak with wish to sign on to do more time here.** Some that i have spoken too work in other states that have been hit hard by this but yet come to NYC's 5 Boroughs to help with the crazy 911 call volume.

My respect and dear thanks to all that have helped. It won't be forgotten.


Posted By: 71TA

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 05/04/20 10:21 PM

She was sent home, from NY to MI within the past couple days. Her husband had to drive her all the way back to MI. She had to goto the ER as soon as she got back and I'm just told she was transported to another hospital for an experimental treatment. Plasma with antibodies and one other med that will leaver her immuno-compromised for 6 weeks.
Posted By: Runner2go

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 05/05/20 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by 71TA
She was sent home, from NY to MI within the past couple days. Her husband had to drive her all the way back to MI. She had to goto the ER as soon as she got back and I'm just told she was transported to another hospital for an experimental treatment. Plasma with antibodies and one other med that will leaver her immuno-compromised for 6 weeks.

Hopefully the treatment works quickly. luck
Posted By: Twostick

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 05/05/20 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by NANKET
Originally Posted by Pale_Roader
Originally Posted by NANKET
Originally Posted by Pale_Roader

Hey... while the vast majority ov us are in no danger... this thing is not to be underestimated. I have a friend, ex-fighter, now lifter, and this guy's about as tough as they [censored] get. He and his (not so tough) wife were self-quarantining very early on, because she has immune-system issues. Well, they both got it somehow. She had a couple days ov so-so coughing... then was fine. He... was laid clean out... for 4 full days. Could barely breathe, eat, move... you name it. They got through it, but wow. It NUKED this guy. He's 36 and in incredible health.

The girl i train knows a 30yr old woman from NJ (i think) who just died. Healthy, happy, 30 year old girl, a very strong competitive powerlifter. Her whole family caught it, her dad died, then so did she. Granted, she was 5'4" 300lbs... but still.

The fearmachine is WAY off the rez on this one... but personal accountability and common sense still go a long way.


Adults who engage in these heavy workout regimens often over do it and consequently are unknowingly suppressing their immune systems. While they are very strong and can lift a massive weight and look huge, they are not really in good “health” at all.



100% wrong. Heavy weight training, done within reason, is absolutely beneficial for the immune system, in many ways. Yes, it is possible she was one ov the VERY few that push it too far, but most modern, intelligent lifters know their limits. I live in this world. Have for 16 years now. Heavy lifters are healthy people, generally. Now... that one particular sport; powerlifting, and even bodybuilding (done at a competitive level) have other issues. Powerlifting can have diet issues, and this girl obviously was one ov those. You cant paint us with the same brush. She died, likely because she was way overweight. I am international elite level, and yeah... that means i'm one ov those few that push well beyond safe limits... and my immune system is absurdly strong. Being elite at ANY sport or physical endeavor goes well beyond 'safe' limits. Its a powerful irony yes, but some true elite athletes are not as healthy as most would think they are. Powerlifting just happens to be one ov those sports where you can be disgustingly fat and out ov shape and still win world medals. As a lifter and very successful coach i absolutely do not agree with this approach. Even my current champion, also a superheavyweight lifter, is very 'small' for her size, and in great cardiovascular shape, and extremely mobile and athletic.... even at 5'4" and 250lbs (female). She works in a dentist's office... around open mouths all week long... and she rarely gets sick.

Heavy lifting (the heavier the better) cures FAR more problems than it causes. But like anything else... do it intelligently.


About 14 of these people do it within reason, others are off the charts overkill. How many big and buff weight lifters live To 60-70-80-90-100? How many drop dead of heart problems? How many take performance enhancing drugs or diet/supplement regimens that undermine good health. Be honest. You just admitted you go to far with your activities. That’s how you get to be the best by pushing it. If it was easy we all would be there. You can’t have it both ways.


A guy local to me was very nearly done in with it. Body builder and so the story goes, used steroids to get the results he was looking for when he was really into it. Apparently steroids, lungs and pneumonia are a bad combination and will put an otherwise healthy person capable of easily surviving C19 right to the top of the risk list. He was 3 weeks on a ventilator. Fortunately he's home now as close to good as new as can be expected under the circumstances.

Kevin
Posted By: Pale_Roader

Re: My daughters PA friend went to NY & caught CORONA - 05/06/20 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by NANKET
Originally Posted by Pale_Roader
Originally Posted by NANKET
Originally Posted by Pale_Roader

Hey... while the vast majority ov us are in no danger... this thing is not to be underestimated. I have a friend, ex-fighter, now lifter, and this guy's about as tough as they [censored] get. He and his (not so tough) wife were self-quarantining very early on, because she has immune-system issues. Well, they both got it somehow. She had a couple days ov so-so coughing... then was fine. He... was laid clean out... for 4 full days. Could barely breathe, eat, move... you name it. They got through it, but wow. It NUKED this guy. He's 36 and in incredible health.

The girl i train knows a 30yr old woman from NJ (i think) who just died. Healthy, happy, 30 year old girl, a very strong competitive powerlifter. Her whole family caught it, her dad died, then so did she. Granted, she was 5'4" 300lbs... but still.

The fearmachine is WAY off the rez on this one... but personal accountability and common sense still go a long way.


Adults who engage in these heavy workout regimens often over do it and consequently are unknowingly suppressing their immune systems. While they are very strong and can lift a massive weight and look huge, they are not really in good “health” at all.



100% wrong. Heavy weight training, done within reason, is absolutely beneficial for the immune system, in many ways. Yes, it is possible she was one ov the VERY few that push it too far, but most modern, intelligent lifters know their limits. I live in this world. Have for 16 years now. Heavy lifters are healthy people, generally. Now... that one particular sport; powerlifting, and even bodybuilding (done at a competitive level) have other issues. Powerlifting can have diet issues, and this girl obviously was one ov those. You cant paint us with the same brush. She died, likely because she was way overweight. I am international elite level, and yeah... that means i'm one ov those few that push well beyond safe limits... and my immune system is absurdly strong. Being elite at ANY sport or physical endeavor goes well beyond 'safe' limits. Its a powerful irony yes, but some true elite athletes are not as healthy as most would think they are. Powerlifting just happens to be one ov those sports where you can be disgustingly fat and out ov shape and still win world medals. As a lifter and very successful coach i absolutely do not agree with this approach. Even my current champion, also a superheavyweight lifter, is very 'small' for her size, and in great cardiovascular shape, and extremely mobile and athletic.... even at 5'4" and 250lbs (female). She works in a dentist's office... around open mouths all week long... and she rarely gets sick.

Heavy lifting (the heavier the better) cures FAR more problems than it causes. But like anything else... do it intelligently.


About 14 of these people do it within reason, others are off the charts overkill. How many big and buff weight lifters live To 60-70-80-90-100? How many drop dead of heart problems? How many take performance enhancing drugs or diet/supplement regimens that undermine good health. Be honest. You just admitted you go to far with your activities. That’s how you get to be the best by pushing it. If it was easy we all would be there. You can’t have it both ways.



No, many are 'serious', but not fanatical about it. 'Serious' is good. I go too far yes, but i was never stupid about it, and i have legitimate world records. Well, i had three (out ov four), down to one now... as it goes. That is... best on the planet. I knew my sacrifices, i happily made them. I'm still healthier than pretty much anyone my age anywhere, and i pass for 10 years younger. I'd be even healthier, but i'm poor, and thus, have to eat a lot ov cheap food... which is not good. That has zero to do with lifting. The sport i'm doing now is more athletic, and i dont have to be as big, which i like. And yeah... even at 47, i'm going to push to absolute limit in this one too.

I think what you are thinking ov is bodybuilding. Or perhaps those super 'hardcore' powerlifters (that even the rest ov powerlifters make fun ov). NOW... you are getting into drug culture... and the second you cross that line, the slippery slope hits 90% ov guys pretty hard. Even the (ACTUAL) drug-free bodybuilders (all 14 ov them), damage themselves with brutal diets, severe nutritional deficiencies, and dangerous dehydration practices. When they're up on stage looking like the most amazing physical specimens possible, they are about the weakest human beings on the plant. A cough would knock them over. These are not who i'm on about. There is nothing healthy about competitive bodybuilding... on any level. But again, thats not what i'm talking about.

Go to a Masters (40+) powerlifting or Olympic lifting event. Everyone there looks (and acts) 10 years younger than they are. Heavy barbell lifting is absolutely the fountain ov youth... done properly. Saying heavy lifting is detrimental to health is like saying Mopars are dangerous to the public, because some rich Asian kids in clapped out Hondas and Toyotas rat-raced through the cities and killed some pedestrians.
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