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Calif title ??

Posted By: TJP

Calif title ?? - 01/15/20 01:01 AM

Just saw a new posting for a 70 Barracuda over in the e bodies for sale section, Appears to be an original Calif. car that needs a complete resto. Reasonably priced but being sold with a bill of sale due to a lost title. Seems strange as it used to be pretty easy out there to get a duplicate title by just having the Vin #'s by any public servant ( IE: L.E.O. etc.) Have things changed or should one suspect a red flag?? shruggy
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/15/20 01:29 AM

CA is a title state so - No title = No sale.
Posted By: ns1aar

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/15/20 01:41 AM

Unless things have changed. If you have a bill of sale and a vin verification by the CHP or DMV you can get a title. Also it the car has been off the road for a long time it may have been purged from the DMV and a title can legally obtained. Lien sales can work also
Posted By: Jim_Lusk

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/15/20 03:34 AM

EASY to get a title here as stated above. Out of the computer, even better.
Posted By: Jjs72D

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/15/20 03:52 AM

Originally Posted by Alaskan_TA
CA is a title state so - No title = No sale.



???
Posted By: BloFish

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/15/20 02:18 PM

Run the VIN first before you do anything.
Posted By: stumpy

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/15/20 05:41 PM

If it's that easy then the owner should do it before trying to sell their scrap.
Posted By: mopacltd

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/15/20 06:13 PM

That was my thought.
Posted By: TJP

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/17/20 12:52 AM

Kind of seemed a bit suspicious to me. whistling
Posted By: TJP

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/17/20 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by BloFish
Run before you do anything.


there, fixed it for you, LOL

and yes I agree 100% on the VIN check beer
Posted By: GB5andGY8

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/17/20 01:45 AM

Definitely, run that vehicle identification number FIRST!!!

A good while back I purchased a B-body donor shell that was advertised here on Moparts. Looked too good to pass up and was sold on a bill of sale, but turned out to be STOLEN.

Anyway, I did the right thing and had my local sheriff come and impound it.

It took over a year of waiting and paying prorated impound storage $$ to get it back. Even then, if the person who reported it stolen wanted to claim it, they'd have the right to, and I would have been out of luck.

Not saying that all bill-of-sale only transactions aren't valid... just remember the advice from the first line of this post!
Posted By: John_Kunkel

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/17/20 05:02 PM

If the VIN isn't in the system, it's fairly easy to get a title but ya got fib a little. Just claim that it's been yours for years and you lost the title..be sure to specify it hasn't been moved on its wheels (trailer/flat bed OK).
Posted By: Sniper

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/17/20 06:10 PM

I'm sure that's how Wild Cherry got stolen too.
Posted By: not_a_charger

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/17/20 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by Sniper
I'm sure that's how Wild Cherry got stolen too.


And here we go... stirthepot biggrin
Posted By: mopacltd

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/18/20 01:58 AM

NO title...NO sale!
Posted By: Morty426

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/19/20 04:04 AM

Originally Posted by ns1aar
Unless things have changed. If you have a bill of sale and a vin verification by the CHP or DMV you can get a title. Also it the car has been off the road for a long time it may have been purged from the DMV and a title can legally obtained. Lien sales can work also


Records are removed from the CA DMV after 7 years.

It's pretty stupid now days with the amount of cloud storage available.
Posted By: Morty426

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/19/20 04:13 AM

Originally Posted by Alaskan_TA
CA is a title state so - No title = No sale.


Barry that's not true.

If you have a Bill of Sale and a Vehicle VIN Verification and there are no Title Issues and are willing to give the State of California a tremendous amount of money you can get a title.

There are also other ways to get a title here but I will not disclose those. beer
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/19/20 04:24 AM

What is the deal if any on cali and this so called "dead" list. Ive bought a couple cars from cali in the past that seemed like they were saved at the yard but was told they could not be reg. or a title given in cali even though I got a signed title.
Posted By: Jim_Lusk

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/19/20 05:40 AM

I don't know if the seven year thing is still the fact or not. Certain cars were scrapped in a way that they could never be registered in California again. Those cars never seem to leave the computer system. I'm not sure how that worked. I know a certain Daytona Iroc R/T that was saved, but cannot be registered...
Posted By: John Brown

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/19/20 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by Jim_Lusk


I don't know if the seven year thing is still the fact or not. Certain cars were scrapped in a way that they could never be registered in California again. Those cars never seem to leave the computer system. I'm not sure how that worked. I know a certain Daytona Iroc R/T that was saved, but cannot be registered...



Might not be able to be registered in California, but I'd bet it wouldn't be much of a problem if it went out of state. If it ever went back, I could see a problem cropping up at that time though.
Posted By: Morty426

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/19/20 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Jim_Lusk
I don't know if the seven year thing is still the fact or not. Certain cars were scrapped in a way that they could never be registered in California again. Those cars never seem to leave the computer system. I'm not sure how that worked. I know a certain Daytona Iroc R/T that was saved, but cannot be registered...


Jim,

I'm going to guess that those cars are part of a Cash for Clunkers Bill or some other source of BS. I'm going to guess again that DMV moved those cars to a status like "Non-Operation" which lasts forever in the system.

Morty
Posted By: Jim_Lusk

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/19/20 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Morty426
Originally Posted by Jim_Lusk
I don't know if the seven year thing is still the fact or not. Certain cars were scrapped in a way that they could never be registered in California again. Those cars never seem to leave the computer system. I'm not sure how that worked. I know a certain Daytona Iroc R/T that was saved, but cannot be registered...


Jim,

I'm going to guess that those cars are part of a Cash for Clunkers Bill or some other source of BS. I'm going to guess again that DMV moved those cars to a status like "Non-Operation" which lasts forever in the system.

Morty


The Daytona in question was prior to the CFC program (2009). It's been in the hands of the same guy for around 15 years. He did run it at a track event in 2009 and had had it for a while at that time. He's got a couple of TIII cars. When he pulled it out of the yard they misread the VIN and said it could be registered...
Posted By: Jim_Lusk

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/19/20 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by John Brown
Originally Posted by Jim_Lusk


I don't know if the seven year thing is still the fact or not. Certain cars were scrapped in a way that they could never be registered in California again. Those cars never seem to leave the computer system. I'm not sure how that worked. I know a certain Daytona Iroc R/T that was saved, but cannot be registered...



Might not be able to be registered in California, but I'd bet it wouldn't be much of a problem if it went out of state. If it ever went back, I could see a problem cropping up at that time though.


Very likely.
Posted By: Morty426

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/20/20 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by Jim_Lusk
Originally Posted by Morty426
Originally Posted by Jim_Lusk
I don't know if the seven year thing is still the fact or not. Certain cars were scrapped in a way that they could never be registered in California again. Those cars never seem to leave the computer system. I'm not sure how that worked. I know a certain Daytona Iroc R/T that was saved, but cannot be registered...


Jim,

I'm going to guess that those cars are part of a Cash for Clunkers Bill or some other source of BS. I'm going to guess again that DMV moved those cars to a status like "Non-Operation" which lasts forever in the system.

Morty


The Daytona in question was prior to the CFC program (2009). It's been in the hands of the same guy for around 15 years. He did run it at a track event in 2009 and had had it for a while at that time. He's got a couple of TIII cars. When he pulled it out of the yard they misread the VIN and said it could be registered...


If it came out of a yard then it was scraped but you should still be able to get a salvaged title unless it entered the yard under special circumstances. Very odd.
Posted By: BloFish

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/20/20 09:59 AM

There is such a title as “unsalvagable” it is not reversible under any circumstances.
Posted By: Morty426

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/20/20 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by BloFish
There is such a title as “unsalvagable” it is not reversible under any circumstances.


Is that the status they place on a vehicle that is seized for having stolen parts on it?
Posted By: John Brown

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/20/20 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Morty426
Originally Posted by BloFish
There is such a title as “unsalvagable” it is not reversible under any circumstances.


Is that the status they place on a vehicle that is seized for having stolen parts on it?



I know that Texas and Washington state brand titles "For Destruction Only". Up until just lately there were ways around that if you had junk yard connections. Since 2019 that option has gone away too. I am an ex-used car dealer, and still in touch with some others, so I hear some of the good and bad things that are currently happening.
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/20/20 03:52 PM

My two were simple old crusty mopars that got saved from the crusher and I think the titles were the open ones signed when the cars were brought to the yard. But it was overstressed to me the cars were dead in cali.

I dont know currently what they do on cars with bad parts but in the 90-s I bought a older 5.0 car and it had a newer fuel injected 5.0 I took to the dealership to sort some things out on and they informed me the motor/trans was hot but when we called the state boys, they came out and said since it was in a running car they would do nothing, if it were on a shop floor they would of took it, I never understood that whole deal.
Posted By: BloFish

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/21/20 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by Morty426
Originally Posted by BloFish
There is such a title as “unsalvagable” it is not reversible under any circumstances.


Is that the status they place on a vehicle that is seized for having stolen parts on it?



No, it occurs when the vehicle has been involved in an accident, and the insurance company determines that is unrepairable and totals it. At that point is is titled as unsalvagable and is not to be removed from the salvage yard or sold as a complete car. Parts can be sold, but the frame must be destroyed along with the vin.
Posted By: Jim_Lusk

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/21/20 02:31 AM

Originally Posted by BloFish
Originally Posted by Morty426
Originally Posted by BloFish
There is such a title as “unsalvagable” it is not reversible under any circumstances.


Is that the status they place on a vehicle that is seized for having stolen parts on it?



No, it occurs when the vehicle has been involved in an accident, and the insurance company determines that is unrepairable and totals it. At that point is is titled as unsalvagable and is not to be removed from the salvage yard or sold as a complete car. Parts can be sold, but the frame must be destroyed along with the vin.


That was not the case with this particular Daytona. I think it needed a fender, but that was it. No frame damage at all. It came out of a self serve yard here in the valley.
Posted By: Morty426

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/21/20 03:37 AM

Originally Posted by BloFish
Originally Posted by Morty426
Originally Posted by BloFish
There is such a title as “unsalvagable” it is not reversible under any circumstances.


Is that the status they place on a vehicle that is seized for having stolen parts on it?



No, it occurs when the vehicle has been involved in an accident, and the insurance company determines that is unrepairable and totals it. At that point is is titled as unsalvagable and is not to be removed from the salvage yard or sold as a complete car. Parts can be sold, but the frame must be destroyed along with the vin.


Then what is the determining factor between salvage and unsalvageable?
Posted By: BloFish

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/21/20 02:19 PM

Salvaged can be sold and registered.
Posted By: John Brown

Re: Calif title ?? - 01/21/20 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by Morty426
Originally Posted by BloFish
Originally Posted by Morty426
Originally Posted by BloFish
There is such a title as “unsalvagable” it is not reversible under any circumstances.


Is that the status they place on a vehicle that is seized for having stolen parts on it?



No, it occurs when the vehicle has been involved in an accident, and the insurance company determines that is unrepairable and totals it. At that point is is titled as unsalvagable and is not to be removed from the salvage yard or sold as a complete car. Parts can be sold, but the frame must be destroyed along with the vin.


Then what is the determining factor between salvage and unsalvageable?



Some of the time whoever makes that call must have no idea what's repairable and what isn't. I've seen Corvettes burned to the ground with salvage titles (salvage titles are for vehicles that can be rebuilt and titled as rebuilt) and have seen Ford trucks that went offroad and through a fence with scratches all over, but were still driveable with no broken glass or airbags deployed, that had destruction only titles (not allowed to be repaired or retitled). Maybe they have a wheel in the office that they use to determine which one gets what treatment. I've also seen cars that were in so called flood areas where the water was only up to the bottom of the hub caps, with NO water in the interior or wiring, where titles have been stamped as salvage. H*ll, there shouldn't even have been any insurance claim on them. I don't know how some of these insurance companies doing this stay in business.

Don't even want to get into where insurance adjusters are buying the same cars that they have been involved with, but in my book, it's next to criminal what they are doing.
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