70 challenger 383-originally blue engine

thanx for the input-i should have got pics before i started this post. attached are some pics but i couldn`t get a clear pic of i.d pad. the car vin is js23n0e119229. the i`d pad reads f383. under that is says 10(oct) then a large space and then 312(31st oct) 2nd shift. at the bttom is says hp. the 4 speed has 0e119229-the 9 is stamped very lightly. pp833 3009 0288.
fender tag
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n42 n85 r22 v1x v68 y14
v1x a62 c55 j25 m21 n41
eb5 h6x9 000 b12 053579
e63 d21 js23n0e119229

i know it`s a numbers car but it has blue under the orange on the block. galens book says blue for a 330 hp 383 n code.
is there anything out of place with the info or pics?
please let me know any thoughts people have-i doubt that it was rebuilt and painted blue and then painted orange in later years.
all the best
frank.

4 speed pic

fender tag - sorry i said dec 69 on my first post-try nov 12-got too many numbers spinning through my head at the moment.
thanx again
frank.

Frank,

That blue you see by the serial number pad might just be a paint swab. Motors have all kinds of writting and marks on them before paint.

Morty

johnrr-you are 100% correct-i should have had all the info in front of me before i asked the question. there seems to be blue in many areas of the engine so that`s what i`m trying to work out or even make me and others more knowledgable on what was actually made. what are people`s thoughts on galens white book page 1 parts & casting book it says blue under 383 for 1970 but with air con-this is not an air con car. on his option code book page 18 it says 330hp engine was blue and the 335hp engine was orange-could it have a 330hp engine or not in an r/t? or was it 70 383 r/t only had 335hp engines that were orange?

yes-one day the engine will come out and then i`ll look a lot closer than i can now-i will ask again in a few years time.
thanx for the responses
frank.

Great info !

I have a "factory EXPORT car". VIN JH23N0Bxxx so, it´s not a RT, but 330hp four barrell 383 car.

Non-AC, automatic, AVS card, blue (turquoise) engine. Exported to Europe in 12/1969, still here, for good.

The '70 big-blocks are the first year for the "Chrysler Blue" engine paint. When it's old & dirty it resembles turquoise.

1969 is the last year for the "turquoise" engine paint.

Can you share the fender tag info for your EXPORT - JH23N0B?

My friend just took some pictures yesterday of his 70 Challenger matching numbers,383 N code SE,and the engine is blue. It has the 383 four barrel emblems on the fenders below the center body line just below where the Challenger emblems are.

I saw my Challenger 383 4 barrel's brother at the Monster Mopar weekend last week, and he'd painted his engine this blue, does this look to be the correct blue, it looked pretty bright!

It looks like the same color that the one is in my friends 383 SE is.

It looks about right - here's a pic of the freshly painted valve covers on my old 383 2bbl '70 S/23.

I kow this is an old thread, but since I've been searching for information on this very topic, and most info I found is here, I thought this might be the best place to add this :

From Barry's website, we can see there are two versions of the dealership databook (early and late). Some pages show a difference concerning the 383ci engine.

In the early version of the brochure, on page 21, the E63 engine code appears twice :
- Once for the 330HP version, optional on the base Challenger (N/A on the R/T),
- Once for the 335HP version, standard on the R/T (N/A on base Challenger).



In the late version of this page, only the 335HP version remains, as the standard R/T engine and the optional base Challenger engine :



To confirm this, in the engine lineup, pages 13 to 15, there are two distinct 383 4-barrels in the early version (383-4bbl and 383-4bbl Magnum).
The 383 Magnum is not available on base Challenger. Only the Magnum remains in the late version. The text description of both engines is identical, the only difference is their power outputs (330/335).
Early Page 13 :

Late Page 13 :


However, there might be some errors in the brochure, as the graphics (in both early and late version) show the 383 Magnum and the 440ci-4bbl using a single snorkel air cleaner :


Now the questions :
Does anyone know when the switch took place between the early and late versions?
If people with JH23N0B or JH27N0B Challengers can post their SPD and original engine color, maybe we can estimate this (or rather fins out when was the earliest orange 383 Magnum installed in a base Challenger).
Can anyone confirm that AC or export specs would somehow influence the engine used for a N code, E63 car?

My JH27N0B car is an E63 AC with automatic. B24 SPD. It's NOM but I have no doubts the original engine would have been blue. The car I posted a picture of a couple years back is 10 or 11 VINs before my cars and it's similarly optioned other than it is not an AC car and its engine is blue. My understanding is that my engine would be orange if my car had been a 4 speed.
There was a member who used to post here who had a JH23N0B 4 speed car that iirc his dad was the original owner and it had an orange motor. Sorry but I have no info on its SBD.

Thanks.
So, a late November 1969 production car would still be using the "early" brochure specifications.

My own cars (JH27N0B, SPD : January 13th 1970, JS29N0B, SPD : October 21th 1969) do not have their original engines.
Now I know the R/T SE should have a blue engine, but I'm not sure about the convertible.

No, all Challenger R/T's engines were originally orange. Your JH car's 383 would be blue if it came with an automatic, orange if it had a stick.

Oops, I was so focused on the dates that I forgot my hardtop is an R/T.
But are you sure all plain Challengers with A/T, non-AC, 383-4bbls got a blue engine until the end of the 1970 run?