black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo

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Flipped to Pete? It was sold to Pete. Little money was made on that deal. Pete did well from what I heard, but that is his business.

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truth is , i lost 65k on the black bee, and I sold it to a guy in canada,who then sold it to one of his customers in england..With the money I bought a 70 tripple black 4 spd hemi gtx

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john, the car was a little too much for the street and i hated to sell it. at the time i had been diagnosed with a rare blood problem,so a guy made me an offer on the car,i didn't want to sell it but i thought i was really sick,so i agreed to sell it. the guy wired me a deposit and had emails of us talking back and forth. i got new blood tests that said i didn't have what they thought i had, i told the guy that i didn't want to sell the car now,but he threatened me with lawyers and all, so i had to sell it.and that's the real story

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john, the car was a little too much for the street and i hated to sell it. at the time i had been diagnosed with a rare blood problem,so a guy made me an offer on the car,i didn't want to sell it but i thought i was really sick,so i agreed to sell it. the guy wired me a deposit and had emails of us talking back and forth. i got new blood tests that said i didn't have what they thought i had, i told the guy that i didn't want to sell the car now,but he threatened me with lawyers and all, so i had to sell it.and that's the real story

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let me see if I have this staight: Rob bought it from John and restored it with the help of Mike. It then went to Pete in NY, who sold it due to health reasons (glad you're okay, Pete !) to some guy in Canada, who inturn sold it to Dave in England? Did I miss anyone?

Rich

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Here is the real story....

Car came to my shop as a rolling shell in a mostly unrestored but somewhat "dolled up" state. They polished it up a bit and painted a section on the body. Drivetrain in pieces. Our original intent was to build up a killer drivetrain and give Ed Cook some hell in the FAST class(in a friendly way )Pete, being a very discriminating guy, wasn't happy with leaving the car as-is- so we decided to take it all the way. I took the car the rest of the way apart and sent the body to Walt @ Kustom Koncepts. They were primarily a street rod shop and not really doing restorations, per se. The car was purposely painted like glass including the bottom-that is how Pete wanted it. I rebuilt/restored all the subassemblies, then finished the car here in NJ. The paint work is flawless. The end result was spectacular. The car ran and looked great!

Yes, sad to see it go, but Pete is telling the real story here. He called me every day in the middle of the transaction with a clear case of "sellers remorse". The important part is your health and well being. These cars are cool, but not worth putting them over your health, that is for sure.

MB

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I first saw the car in the mid '90s. I was racing a '70 Charger with a 440 and ran into then-owner John (his last name escapes me right now) with the 'Bee out at Norwalk Raceway. I believe we were both running mid 12's that day. We got to talking and found out we both worked at the Ford Complex. Kinda funny that we both worked for Ford but had old Mopars. He was always a super nice guy every time I saw him, sometimes at Norwalk, sometimes at Dragway 42, and sometimes even at work. He still works there, but we're on different shifts. I haven't seen him in a few years, and didn't even know he sold the car until last year. I thought he had told me he bought the car in the mid '70s. I always loved it, and its the reason I decided to paint my '69 Charger black with a white stripe.

If I see him, I'd like to give him an update on his old car...let me see if I have this staight: Rob bought it from John and restored it with the help of Mike. It then went to Pete in NY, who sold it due to health reasons (glad you're okay, Pete !) to some guy in Canada, who inturn sold it to Dave in England? Did I miss anyone?

Rich

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This is way, way too weird talking about black on black, stripe delete '69 Super Bees in Northern Ohio and Ford plant workers owning them and using them only for drag racing

A few years ago I'm at a local cruise at a DQ and there are usually only a few Mopars that show up because this is Ford assembly plant country. I see a black on black, stripe delete '69 Super Bee with Hemi on the hood scoops and think "well maybe but most likely not a real hemi" so I see the J VIN and the original fender tag and sure enough it a real Hemi! I look at the odo and wow it's in pretty good shape for having 105,000+ miles on it. Just then a guy shows up wondering why I'm looking at the fender tag so closely (I have this thing about Lynch Road fender tags you know ) and I say "Great to see another Mopar at this cruise and unusual to see such a well preserved Hemi Super Bee with 105,000 plus miles on it. To which he replies "Oh that's 5,000 plus not one hundred five thousand. This car was bought by a Ford plant worker and only used for drag racing all of it's life until my buddy bought it ten years ago". I got permission from the current owner a few minutes later to take some detail photos and then met him again a year later to take some more and here's a couple of shots, Black on Black and Crager's TOO with big rear tires just like GTsuperbee knows it should BEE

MikeR

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john gerreck jr owned the car since the early 70s he sold the car to rob in mi,dave worked for rob at the time. Rob sold the car to me,and I restored the car with the help of hp mike who did all the mechanics, and all the detailing on everything in, and under the car, and in the engine compartment. HP Mike took the car apart,took it to the body shop in pa then put the car together. a guy named Walt from kustom koncepts in pa, did the body for me,hp mike did everything else. I located all the parts,paid for everything, and made all of the decisions. I sold the car to sean in canada,and he sold it to carlos in england. and thats the story....Pete.. [/quote

Rest assured, it's in good hands and in good company. Likelihood is that should it be sold it will return to the US, since most Mopar enthusiasts over here are too poor!

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I don't agree , base/coat clear coat just makes it another incorrect, overrestored, blend into the scenery, boring because it looks like the rest of them , trailer poodle.

The last year I judged at etown I actually subtracted points from the incorect overrestored trailer poodles.


i dont get it it is NOT 1968 no more.
IF you got a original factory paint car and it nice shape leave it alone but if its bad and have to paint why not make it nice? why would you want to copey the original factory paint thats terrabe.orange peel, runs ,dirt in paint, dull?
why would you take points way from a guy at a car show that just stupid. it is a car SHOW if someone wanted to see junk they would go to the junk yard not to the car SHOW. thats like say your car is too nice for the car show.
just because it has b/c paint dont mean it a trailer queen. dont all new cars have b/c paint

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I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you, or anyone else, lets just agree that we don't look at this subject the same way.

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john, the car was a little too much for the street and i hated to sell it. at the time i had been diagnosed with a rare blood problem,so a guy made me an offer on the car,i didn't want to sell it but i thought i was really sick,so i agreed to sell it. the guy wired me a deposit and had emails of us talking back and forth. i got new blood tests that said i didn't have what they thought i had, i told the guy that i didn't want to sell the car now,but he threatened me with lawyers and all, so i had to sell it.and that's the real story

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I would say thats "sort of" the real story... There was never a threat of lawyers to Pete... it was more of a concern that Pete and I did the deal, the price was agreed, the deposit was sent and at that point, since I felt I had secured the car, I entered into a legal business contract with my buyer for the re-sale of the car.. and he already cashed in investments and wired me money for it. So... to back out after all that was in motion, could have caused serious problems for me, not Pete... He was a 100% stand up guy and honoured the deal we had in place, more to cover my a$$ than anything.... I'm greatfull for that. Had the situation been different, I never would have asked pete to complete a deal he had second thoughts about...

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Even after that explanation I don't see how you can sell a car that you don't own?

Sounds to me you really put yourself into a pickle. You are very lucky that Pete went threw with the deal as I believe the lawyers would have been going after you.

Did you ever take possession of the car and put it into your name?

Have you learned anything from that experience or are you still marketing other peoples cars and then buying after you have pre-sold them?

Does this sort of new age flipping have a name?

Man I sure hate when $$$ gets involved in a good hobby...

Dave

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I could explain it all further to you so you'd understand what actually transpired but this is really Mine, my client and Pete's business and we've worked it all out... no hard feelings between us... Pete and I even gabbed on the phone about cars for a good half hour just a couple days ago...
Besides, I think he's pretty happy with his triple black Hemi GTX he got by way of this whole deal...

I'd appreciate it if you didn't lecture me over something you don't have all the details for and know absolutly nothing about...

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No need to get so sensitive, I just asked a quick question.
Did you make it a habit of selling cars you don't own or have possession of?

Doesn't seem like a good business practice to me. There would be no need to smooth things over if you just did things the right way in the first place.

Maybe this in the next new thing

Sean I am just writing down what many others are thinking, its not my reputation on the line...this is being discussed on a public forum you know

Dave