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I'll probably end up selling it soon after it's done.
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This car is F8 with matching interior and the white stripe across the rump. There are TWO other F8 green 500's here in Arizona, a 440 auto car and the other with a hemi and 4 speed. Getting all three together would be interesting... but very green. I'll probably end up selling it soon after it's done. I've always wanted a wing car and selling this will be the only avenue towards getting one. ( I think B5 with white interior is sounding pretty good )
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There's a F8 HEMI 4sp in New York as well.
that car looks sweet. If you plan on selling the car right away, paint it green, hands down. like everyone has said, it would hurt the value of the car to change color of a car thats that significant. most people are out for originality when it comes to buying with those cars anyway.
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Some one looking ot urchase a car of that caliber will care greatly about originality and move on to the next car. That buyer is not just someone looking for a cool car at a reasonable price, they are a specific buyer. The other statement I guess I am just misunderstanding entirely, "Have a tag made for the gawkers and keep the original." You would lose a significant amount of money selling any high dollar car without a fender tag. This isn't a 318 Coronet 500 (no offense to anyone) its 69 Charger 500, and much of the value of that kinda car is documentation.
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Paint it panther pink and hang a blower out of the hood. That way it will be fast and it should catch the attention of all the rich Chevy guys. Let us know how it works out for you.
The matching #'s guys are doing their own thing for the love of the cars. Guys that are worried about value and doing cars to sell them are doing it for a different reason.
Because I love the cars and hate so see another rare one get butchered, I strongly suggest you paint it the original colour. And yes you will get more money for it so you can buy the wife a nice addition for the house or a new VW beetle when you sell it.
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Some one looking ot urchase a car of that caliber will care greatly about originality and move on to the next car. That buyer is not just someone looking for a cool car at a reasonable price, they are a specific buyer. The other statement I guess I am just misunderstanding entirely, "Have a tag made for
the gawkers and keep the original." You would lose a significant amount of money selling any high dollar car without a fender tag. This isn't a 318 Coronet 500 (no offense to anyone) its 69 Charger 500, and much of the value of that kinda car is documentation.
Well, I have had the car documented... G.G. was out to see it before I tore it apart for resto. Paid a tidy sum for that and still had to beg for the paperwork for almost a year. I'm kinda tired or all the matching # bs and tired about hearing about what Mopars in general should be or are worth. I got into mopars as a teenager 24 years ago 'cause they were fast, cool and well, affordable. Now it seems it's all about ego.
Galen said this was one of the highest optioned 500's he'd ever seen ( and I bought it to make a Daytona clone out of it ) so I started having second thoughts about cloning it and decided to restore it... but I just can't bring myself to do the dark green thing. It's gonna be an eye catcher in any color other than green and if someone is so anal it's not that difficult to take a restored car apart and change the color. I think market fluctuations have a much greater impact on value than the orgininal color thing but really just want something nice in case I can't sell it or decide not to. [/quote}
Well my feelings toward cars, is there just machines to be used/ modified to the owners preference,.........but seeing how the market place has changed how the cars are now percieved as investments to collect or sell, rather than the enjoyment we used to have with musclecars,
your intention was a daytona clone, fine.....finish the car you have, as it was originally built,....top quality resto......sell it to some "numbers boob",......buy a clean base model,and clone it into your daytona dream......the money you raise off the 500 sale would fund a Daytona project.......I know a few people with 500's...and V code 70 RR's that are turning their cars into Tona's and Birds.......years ago, when nobody cared,....it was fine.......I personally could care less about cutting/ cloneing a numbers car, or R, or V code car......thats just me......but to not take advantage of the market, by selling a "numbers" car to the people that "buy" into that kind of thing.......is like throwing money out the "window"...............or you can say screw it, paint the car (it is yours!) as you please, and enjoy it.....everyone has different feelings on this subject,....all that count are yours,.....do what you want to the car, just weigh the advantages and disadvantages regarding what you decide?
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I agree to a point. I would never do a color change on a desirable color just because I didn;t like it! Meaning if you have an original Plumb Crazy/B5 Blue/or Panther Pink car and happen to hate the color please get another car. On the other hand, if it was originally gold or F3 green (as was mine) then change away to YOUR hearts content.
Regarding numbers, if I see a really nice hemicuda and I am admiring it, I WILL look at the tag for the "R" and the paint code for the original color--am I soured if I see BH23G instead of BS23R? No....but I am more impressed with the real car. Thats life. True rarities are admirable.
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This car is F8 with matching interior and the white stripe across the rump. There are TWO other F8 green 500's here in Arizona, a 440 auto car and the other with a hemi and 4 speed. Getting all three together would be interesting... but very green. I'll probably end up selling it soon after it's done. I've always wanted a wing car and selling this will be the only avenue towards getting one. ( I think B5 with white interior is sounding pretty good )
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NEVER change the color on a Charger 500 (or Daytona) . The following for the aero cars is so strict that most people who collect them, want the car to be "correct"
. Now, if you have a 74 Barracuda and don't like the color, that's a whole different story.
WHY?.......would that be a different story.....I'd like to know?
Do you think the owner of this Superbird owner considered the originality of his paint choice?..........thank god he didn't,...the car looks awesome in BLACK!........another case of who cares what everyone else thinks,....I'm doing it my way!
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A lot of ya'll have referrenced different cars, 69 SE, FM3 SB Cuda (reads 318/904 or it wouldn't have gone to a boneyard).
Was a 340/ 727 Auto, been sitting TOO LONG....... so you'd be surprised how many 440 forgedcrank motors,.....and 383 motors, I tossed in the pile,.....just too many laying around.......you'd cringe if I told you bout the half dozen or so 71 cuda grilles that you couldn't give away in the early 80's that I busted up back then and tossed in the trash!....(now those I wish I kept!)..in fact I just tossed about 4 sets of BB heads..........some stuff isn't worth keeping?
....sometimes you have to kull the herd
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NEVER change the color on a Charger 500 (or Daytona) . The following for the aero cars is so strict that most people who collect them, want the car to be "correct"
. Now, if you have a 74 Barracuda and don't like the color, that's a whole different story.
WHY?.......would that be a different story.....I'd like to know?
Do you think the owner of this Superbird owner considered the originality of his paint choice?..........thank god he didn't,...the car looks awesome in BLACK!........another case of who cares what everyone else thinks,....I'm doing it my way!
Let's look at it this way, if you are going to alter or "screw something up" it's ALWAYS best to do it with something of much less value .
If you decided to install a 460 Ford engine in your Mopar,and the interior from a 73 Gran Torino because YOU like Ford engines and the look of the Ford interior, which would be a better car to do it with. A 74 Charger 318 car,
or a 70 Charger R/T SE 440 six pack sunroof car ?
See where I am going with this ?
If you just MUST screw something up, it's ALWAYS best to do it to a car of much lesser value.
Like it or not, certain cars are pure collectables now. Nobody is going to own their car forever, and at some point , even if you don't sell, your widow or children will . Don't you want the car to sell for what it should , instead of much less, because it has to be taken totally apart and re-pained inside and out to be correct ? Now it doesn't really matter if you change the original color on your FF8 70 coronet
500 318 car , because the car is only going to be worth X dollars no matter what you do . However, if you have a 70 Coronet R/T convertible 4-speed
4.10 dana , ramcharger hood, FF8, your best bet is to keep it FF8 . Would it look good EK2 Go Mango with white interior, you damn right it would! But, certain cars should be preserved as they were built . That's the way I feel about it .
I remember seeing a '69 GTX convertible , factory
triple black car, that was re-painted Limelight FJ5 at a show some years back . I think he hurt the value "a lil bit" , but I guess all that matters is that the current owner likes it .
As far as the black Superbird, If I were in the market to buy a bird, this would certainly not be
on my list of possible buys, unless the price was heavily discounted . Does it look good in black, sure. Does the incorrect paint hurt the value, you bet it does. There will be some buyers who would like it because it looks "cool" and "different" but many more will pass because it is not correct . That's just the way it is.
I don't make the rules of human nature when they apply to buying/selling collectables .
People don't want to buy a victorian home built in 1890 if some goober has altered the original appearance by painting it pink and purple , no matter how "cool" the owner thought it would look.
What else can I say, We just don't see eye to eye on this subject .
I will say this . IF someone truely doesn't give a damn about respecting their medium or high dollar collectable car for what it is ,
and does not mind lowering the cars value ,then by all means , do whatever you want to it. It is your car to do with as you please, even if that means leaving it outside with the windows down for 10 years .
Do as you please.
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I thought you were referring to a recent alteration, but I am surprised there was ever a time to throw out a 340 even one of the later cast crank ones. 383s I could see as they were common enough and at a time even a steel crank 440. Next time you need to throw out some 906 BB heads I need a few extra sets.
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Do you think the owner of this Superbird owner considered the originality of his paint choice?..........thank god he didn't,...the car looks awesome in BLACK!........another case of who cares what everyone else thinks,....I'm doing it my way!
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Dude, don't change the color.
Restore the Charger to the correct paint, sell it, and then buy one the color you want.
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"Sell the car and take the chance of finding another.. "
So what do you think would be the best way to do that? The only thing that comes to mind is ebay of course so then how... photos of it in primer on the roticierrie as-is ready to go or posted as " buyers choice of color"? I'm open to suggestions.
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My point is; it's easy to sell, but difficult to find and buy another one
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and if someone is so anal it's not that difficult to take a restored car apart and change the color.
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I'll probably end up selling it soon after it's done.
If this is the case then I would HIGHLY reccomend against a color change, you will lose a BUNCH of potential buyers in doing so which leads to getting less for the car.
If it were mine......Restore it and sell it (in it's original colors) or leave it as is and sell it as a project, then go buy something else in a color you like better.
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Here is a freshly painted F8 green 500.
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I posted a pic of a 318 69 Satellite I bought last year that is yellow with a green painted top and said I was changing the color. Boy did I get roasted because of that. It's a Satellite who cares! A C500 is a different story though.
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Some one looking ot urchase a car of that caliber will care greatly about originality and move on to the next car. That buyer is not just someone looking for a cool car at a reasonable price, they are a specific buyer. The other statement I guess I am just misunderstanding entirely, "Have a tag made for the gawkers and keep the original." You would lose a significant amount of money selling any high dollar car without a fender tag. This isn't a 318 Coronet 500 (no offense to anyone) its 69 Charger 500, and much of the value of that kinda car is documentation.
Well, I have had the car documented... G.G. was out to see it before I tore it apart for resto. Paid a tidy sum for that and still had to beg for the paperwork for almost a year. I'm kinda tired or all the matching # bs and tired about hearing about what Mopars in general should be or are worth. I got into mopars as a teenager 24 years ago 'cause they were fast, cool and well, affordable. Now it seems it's all about ego.
Galen said this was one of the highest optioned 500's he'd ever seen ( and I bought it to make a Daytona clone out of it ) so I started having second thoughts about cloning it and decided to restore it... but I just can't bring myself to do the dark green thing. It's gonna be an eye catcher in any color other than green and if someone is so anal it's not that difficult to take a restored car apart and change the color. I think market fluctuations have a much greater impact on value than the orgininal color thing but really just want something nice in case I can't sell it or decide not to.
