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Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Time

Posted By: 65pacecar

Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Time - 08/11/08 04:15 PM

Dave Walden has accomplished the impossible with his 1970 Challenger R/T. I have been excited about seeing this car for months and my expectations were surpassed with the incredible restoration of this car. If you didn’t get to experience seeing this Challenger in person imagine this:

It is 1970 and about 8 weeks after sitting down with your favorite Dodge salesman you get the much anticipated call that your new car is on the truck just minutes away from pulling into the dealership. You jump into your Plymouth and rush down to see the car before they unload it from the transporter, you watch as the car is unloaded and idled into the dealer prep area. Upon arrival in the prep area you ask the technician not to touch the car, you want to keep it as delivered and start studying and documenting every minute detail, you stand there for hours admiring the car. You look in the interior and it is full of instruction sheets explaining the function of the seat, seat belts, you notice little bags still wrapped around the seat belts, the interior has a certain feel that only a new Dodge can have, then you notice a tag with the number 3 circled in the “A” column hanging off the key ring, you ask the tech what does that mean and he simply says “It’s the spot the car was placed on the transporter”. After leaving the interior area it is time to open the trunk and you see a bag of valve stems and the license plate retainers waiting for the prep guy to install. Now for the heart of the Dodge, the hood opens to reveal the 440 that you checked off on the order form along with the air conditioning unit, the new engine looks beautiful, not perfectly glossy from the factory but beautiful none the less. The prep technician starts pointing out a few features, while looking at your new prize you note several inspection marks, thin places in the paint, a little factory overspray etc.

Now, imagine as you are standing there Samantha twitches her nose and pops you and the white Challenger R/T into a tent filled with judges on a beautiful day at the Mopar Nationals in the year 2008. This Challenger, exactly as delivered off the transporter is sitting in a roped off area for all to see Exactly what it was like to take delivery of a new 1970 Challenger R/T. For those of us not lucky enough to buy a new Mopar off the lot got to experience the feel and look of what would have been sitting in your favorite dealer’s showroom in 1970.


First I want to thank Dave Walden for inviting me to see the car close up during the judging, it was a pleasure to meet Dave and the others responsible for building a new 1970 Challenger. Dave, it was wonderful to meet you; the car, you and your team are a true asset to the Mopar Hobby that we all love, thanks for taking the time and dedication to perfectly restore the car to as Delivered condition.

I own and have owned several survivor Mopars as well as restored cars and have been associated with several high end restorations over the years and have attended every Mopar Nationals since 1984. I routinely document every original and correct car that I come across and I can honestly say I have never seen a more correct car that has the ability to make it feel like you have been transported back to the pinnacle of the Muscle Car wars of the 1960’s and early 1970’s. The attention to detail is phenomenal from the exact drips on the torsion bars and floor pans, to the Assembly (lunch box) parts like the wheel weights, clamps, clips, tires, turn signal assemblies etc etc etc (the list could go on forever). The paint quality and finish exactly duplicates the original finish in every respect. Comparing the paint finish to my friends 8k original mile survivor that has been in a climate controlled garage since new; this incredible team of artist perfected every detail, from the correct amount of shine/hue, overspray, missed or dusted areas such as the package tray area in the trunk and the underside of the lip on the deck lid, along with perfect detail under the hood and floor pans. The inspection marks and paint splotches exactly duplicate the marks from the factory, instead of taking the time to make a perfect mark (which would never happen on the line) the inspection points were marked in the same manner and method that would have been used by a line worker, not the method typically used in a perfect scenario such as a restoration shop. The front suspension, with its bare metal perfectly detailed parts, correct pins and hardware is exactly what a new 1970 Challenger would have looked liked while waiting for the prep guy to get started. Also of note, the air conditioning system on this car was perfect in every respect and may have been the most incredible part of the Challenger; it was great to hear the judge declare begrudgingly that it is the only air conditioning system to ever achieve a perfect score, as hard as he tried he said that he could not find a single flaw.

I could go on, but this post is getting long and I don’t want to bore anyone with too many details, the only way to appreciate the quality of this build is to see it in person and I truly appreciate the opportunity to study this car. One more feature I have to add, the feel of the NOS seat material is dead on original, a restored interior using modern materials will never have that feel. The front seats feel exactly like the material used on my Plymouth that is 100% original, it feels like a new Dodge interior should feel.

I filled a 1GB card with 8 Megapixel pictures on this car alone and spent an ample amount of time around the car on Saturday, it was very gracious of Dave to allow me to view the car up close and personal like that, thanks again; I really enjoyed talking to you about the car. I can honestly say that this Challenger has set the standard that all future restorations will be compared to; if Pebble Beach accepted Muscle Cars it would contend with the legendary restorations and machines that attend that event. It would be nearly impossible to surpass the final product presented by this Challenger and I doubt it could even be equaled.

Once again, Congratulations to Dave and his team for an incredible job of research, parts chasing and producing a car that equals the quality of a car rolling into Dealer Prep for the first time in 1970. I always wondered what it would have been like to stand in a dealership when one of my cars was brand new, now I understand.

Shannon.
Posted By: magnumcharger

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Time - 08/11/08 09:34 PM

no pics to post??????????????????
Posted By: 65pacecar

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Time - 08/11/08 09:58 PM

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no pics to post??????????????????




Patience Grasshopper I will post pics as soon as I have time to sort them out.
Posted By: mr_belvedere

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Time - 08/12/08 03:57 AM

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Dave Walden has accomplished the impossible with his 1970 Challenger R/T. I have been excited about seeing this car for months and my expectations were surpassed with the incredible restoration of this car.



I agree- totally mind blowing restoration! I feel no media (pics, etc.) can do this car justice. It is one of those things you have to see and experience in person!
Thanks again Mr. Walden for not only the invitation to view this work of art up close, but for the dedication to quality and detail- and then sharing it with the rest of the world. Class act to the highest degree.
Posted By: KISSAlien

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Time - 08/12/08 03:15 PM

Stolen from another site.

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Posted By: ECS

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Ti - 08/12/08 09:31 PM

Thank you for those thoughts. You captured in words EXACTLY what the intent was for this project. When others experience that same nostalgic feeling, you know the project was a success. It was very enjoyable to read your views regarding this car!!!
Thanks again.
Posted By: RJS

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Ti - 08/13/08 12:59 AM

Congrat's Dave, sorry I didn't go to the Nat's!!! From the poster's thoughts and comments the car sounds unreal!! Ron Sannino
Posted By: 65pacecar

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Time - 08/13/08 04:12 PM

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Posted By: 65pacecar

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Time - 08/13/08 04:16 PM

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Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Ti - 08/13/08 05:27 PM

Wow! Nice pics!

Tav
Posted By: 65pacecar

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Time - 08/13/08 09:58 PM

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Posted By: ECS

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Ti - 08/16/08 02:51 AM

Thanks for the call Martin. This is the best picture I could find in my portfolio that shows the small dash speaker(s). They are painted a different color than the dash pad. Thanks!

DW

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Posted By: rayztoy

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Ti - 08/17/08 11:43 PM

WOW!!! Awesome job Dave.
Posted By: 65pacecar

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Ti - 08/29/08 08:51 PM

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Thanks for the call Martin. This is the best picture I could find in my portfolio that shows the small dash speaker(s). They are painted a different color than the dash pad. Thanks!

DW




I will look through my pics, I may have another shot of the dash speakers, if so I will post.
Posted By: SSAAHemiFan

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Ti - 08/29/08 10:33 PM

Thanks for posting those pic's. I can't tell you how many times a "show expert" has told me my column should be black NOT B5!
Posted By: KISSAlien

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Ti - 08/30/08 09:50 PM

Column color is on the broadcast sheet. Typically if it has a rallye dash (std on R/T) then the column will match the dash pad, though some early cars with red dashes and rallye guages are known to have black columns.
Posted By: sixbbl69

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Ti - 08/31/08 02:28 AM

looks like all the other non hemi E-body cars I've seen in the OE judging at the Nat's i like the Roger Gibson E-body res to,s. nicer and much more correct.
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Ti - 08/31/08 02:44 AM

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looks like all the other non hemi E-body cars I've seen in the OE judging at the Nat's i like the Roger Gibson E-body res to,s. nicer and much more correct.









Good grief it's Jerry again,...........well I'll tell ya Jerry......Roger G, could learn a few things here,....I yet to see Dave W. make the kinda of mistakes( or any mistakes, for that matter) that I see on a lot of Gibson restorations



Jerry,...are there any good houses in your neighborhood...........that you could haunt?

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Posted By: sixbbl69

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Ti - 08/31/08 03:10 AM

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looks like all the other non hemi E-body cars I've seen in the OE judging at the Nat's i like the Roger Gibson E-body res to,s. nicer and much more correct.









Good grief it's Jerry again,...........well I'll tell ya Jerry......Roger G, could learn a few things here,....I yet to see Dave W. make the kinda of mistakes( or any mistakes, for that matter) that I see on a lot of Gibson restorations



Jerry,...are there any good houses in your neighborhood...........that you could haunt?


don't tell me you are claiming to be an expert on these cars like the quarter panels you know so much about? is your name Dave also? please impress me with all your knowledge or try to.i haven't had a good laugh since the last time i read one of your post.i do agree that someone needs a little help restoring an E-body and it ain't Roger Gibson. thanks for bringing that point up.your one heck of a guy.
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Ti - 08/31/08 03:29 AM

don't tell me you are claiming to be an expert on these cars ......your one heck of a guy.







Jerry, seeing you've only recently aquired your first E-body,......I doubt you know anything about them

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Posted By: ECS

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Ti - 08/31/08 03:57 AM

You mustn’t be so hard on the poor pitiful sixbbl69. Everyone knows that HE knows more than the judges who actually saw and judged the car. Now keep in mind that these SAME individuals have judged and compared ALL of the OE cars that have rolled through the OE program to present date. This includes the other "people" mentioned by our pseudo expert sixbbl69. Rather than argue with the poor soul, lets see what OE head judge (Keith Rohm) said about this car in comparison to the past cars that have been judged in the OE program:

"The challenger is the nicest OE vehicle that we've had the opportunity to look at. It truly represents the word OE. That briefly is best case scenario as the vehicle would have been delivered to the customer brand new. With all factory imperfections intact and not cosmetically touched up. These cars were not perfect new but this challenger best represents the way the vehicle would have been delivered new. Our Dodge white hats are off to this challenger"

Sorry sixbbl69!!!!!

Posted By: sixbbl69

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Ti - 08/31/08 05:06 AM

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You mustn’t be so hard on the poor pitiful sixbbl69. Everyone knows that HE knows more than the judges who actually saw and judged the car. Now keep in mind that these SAME individuals have judged and compared ALL of the OE cars that have rolled through the OE program to date. This includes the other "people" mentioned by our pseudo expert sixbbl69. Rather than argue with the poor soul, lets see what head OE judge (Keith Rohm) said about this car in comparison to the past cars that had been judged in the OE program:

"The challenger is the nicest OE vehicle that we've had the opportunity to look at. It truly represents the word OE. That briefly is best case scenario as the vehicle would have been delivered to the customer brand new. With all factory imperfections intact and not cosmetically touched up. These cars were not perfect new but this challenger best represents the way the vehicle would have been delivered new. Our Dodge white hats are off to this challenger"

Sorry sixbbl69!!!!!



dave,it is just my opinion. like your opinion that you have the best mopar on earth. everyone knows that it ain't what you know or what you have its who you know and thats how far you go at certain shows . now if you are going to reply to this in your normal 12 yr old throwing a fit when you get a negative post about your car then don't waste your time. if my opinion bothers you put me on ignore.
Posted By: ECS

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Ti - 09/01/08 12:08 AM

Hey sixbbl69! Heres to your "opinion"



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Posted By: Plymouth273

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Ti - 09/02/08 09:12 PM

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looks like all the other non hemi E-body cars I've seen in the OE judging at the Nat's i like the Roger Gibson E-body res to,s. nicer and much more correct.









Good grief it's Jerry again,...........well I'll tell ya Jerry......Roger G, could learn a few things here,....I yet to see Dave W. make the kinda of mistakes( or any mistakes, for that matter) that I see on a lot of Gibson restorations



Jerry,...are there any good houses in your neighborhood...........that you could haunt?


don't tell me you are claiming to be an expert on these cars like the quarter panels you know so much about? is your name Dave also? please impress me with all your knowledge or try to.i haven't had a good laugh since the last time i read one of your post.i do agree that someone needs a little help restoring an E-body and it ain't Roger Gibson. thanks for bringing that point up.your one heck of a guy.





Wow, another useless post from a know-it-all that criticizes everyone but never accomplishes anything. First of all, while Roger G. does beautiful restorations he has yet to build a car as factory correct as this Challenger and for that matter MCR will never get close. I must have missed the year of the Nats that you had the perfect score since your “knowledge” and critique of everyone else is so keen, Oh Wait, that hasn’t happened and never will since you have the mouth to talk a good game but not the skills to back it up. I get the feeling you have either little mans complex and sit behind your keyboard to criticize from a distance; or you are a low achiever that is jealous of everyone that excels above you in knowledge and ability; which I am sure is a common occurrence in your life. The more of your posts that I read the more I realize that you are not much of a man, just a complete smarta$$ with nothing to add to this board, the Mopar hobby or to life in general.
Posted By: sixbbl69

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Ti - 09/03/08 03:25 AM

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looks like all the other non hemi E-body cars I've seen in the OE judging at the Nat's i like the Roger Gibson E-body res to,s. nicer and much more correct.









Good grief it's Jerry again,...........well I'll tell ya Jerry......Roger G, could learn a few things here,....I yet to see Dave W. make the kinda of mistakes( or any mistakes, for that matter) that I see on a lot of Gibson restorations



Jerry,...are there any good houses in your neighborhood...........that you could haunt?


don't tell me you are claiming to be an expert on these cars like the quarter panels you know so much about? is your name Dave also? please impress me with all your knowledge or try to.i haven't had a good laugh since the last time i read one of your post.i do agree that someone needs a little help restoring an E-body and it ain't Roger Gibson. thanks for bringing that point up.your one heck of a guy.





Wow, another useless post from a know-it-all that criticizes everyone but never accomplishes anything. First of all, while Roger G. does beautiful restorations he has yet to build a car as factory correct as this Challenger and for that matter MCR will never get close. I must have missed the year of the Nats that you had the perfect score since your “knowledge” and critique of everyone else is so keen, Oh Wait, that hasn’t happened and never will since you have the mouth to talk a good game but not the skills to back it up. I get the feeling you have either little mans complex and sit behind your keyboard to criticize from a distance; or you are a low achiever that is jealous of everyone that excels above you in knowledge and ability; which I am sure is a common occurrence in your life. The more of your posts that I read the more I realize that you are not much of a man, just a complete smarta$$ with nothing to add to this board, the Mopar hobby or to life in general.


even the owner lets criticism go Thur one ear and out the other or takes it with a grain of salt.has big shoulders or whatever.
Posted By: ECS

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Ti - 09/03/08 04:49 AM

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like your opinion that you have the best mopar on earth.




All joking aside sixbbl69, I have a couple of questions. Did you even see or inspect my Challenger (in person) at the 2008 Nationals? If not, what factual information did you base your “opinion“ or assessment on? The other question concerns your quote above. Where did I ever state to you or anyone that it is my "opinion" that I have the best Mopar on earth?

DW
Posted By: A990

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Ti - 09/03/08 07:40 AM

So after reading this and the other thread about the technique to restore this car, what's the right way to restore our beloved Mopars?

The way the workers built them, or by the blueprints? Whats everyone's thoughts on this point?
Posted By: sixbbl69

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Ti - 09/03/08 01:14 PM

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So after reading this and the other thread about the technique to restore this car, what's the right way to restore our beloved Mopars?

The way the workers built them, or by the blueprints? Whats everyone's thoughts on this point?


good question. answer is simple. a car is original only once. when it rolled off the truck at the dealers lot. meaning that anything restored after that and 38 yrs later unless a car spent its life in a bubble is nothing more then a restored car and subject to changes from the day 1 car. if factory built 40,000 cars off the blueprints did they all come off the line identical?
Posted By: ECS

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Ti - 09/03/08 01:38 PM

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So after reading this and the other thread about the technique to restore this car, what's the right way to restore our beloved Mopars?

The way the workers built them, or by the blueprints? Whats everyone's thoughts on this point?




Thanks for your input Ken. There are many ways that people can choose to restore/refurbish a car. I personally do not believe anyone has the right to say it is “wrong” if the person who owns the car is happy with the desired outcome. On a personal note, it was our objective to restore THIS car with the exact attributes and characteristics that IT was assembled with. We even counted and matched the drips that were documented underneath the car! In essence, the car was its own reference for the restoration. We have hundreds of pictures that documented before and after photos showing how precise we were in matching the cars original traits. If someone does not have an original car to start with and their objective is to have a factory type restoration, their other options are to follow the factory engineered drawings or other original cars. While one car may not be exactly “correct” for another car, it can still provide factory original characteristics to follow. As stated earlier, a person has the right to do to their vehicle whatever they choose so trying to pinpoint what is “right or wrong” really comes down to personal preference. Unless someone is attempting an OE factory type restoration, the sky is the limit as to how a car can appear or what it can represent!
Posted By: TripleTX9

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Ti - 09/03/08 03:32 PM

I have to say, I feel very fortunate to have seen Dave's car in person at this years Nats. Sadly, I wish I was able to spend more time observing the outstanding detail of the car, hours can be spent looking at this car. I feel very fortunate, that I was able to accomplish a goal of mine in winning first place at this years Nats in my class, Challenger Street, but my car is nothing to the level of Dave's. I make every attempt to replace incorrect parts, with correct parts, and just with my little 'piddling'of minor parts, it is a very difficult task, but I really enjoy doing it. I meet great people and get to see tremendous examples like Dave's Challenger. So my hats off to you Dave, not just at the level of the restoration, but every bit as much to the content you placed in it. Your car is a car that I could spend a Saturday morning, coffee in hand, just looking and talking about it for hours......it's like when you had favorite books at the library when you were a little kid.....every time you go back to the library, you pull it off the shelf to look at it again and again and your car Dave, represents that exact feeling to me. I can spend hours just studying it. Again, I find all the 'correct' and 'not correct' discussion almost a mute point. It is what it is, it is one of finest examples of a Challenger that exists and it is a pleasure for the eyes to see.

Hats off to you Dave

John with a G
Posted By: 70challrtse

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Ti - 09/03/08 03:49 PM

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So after reading this and the other thread about the technique to restore this car, what's the right way to restore our beloved Mopars?

The way the workers built them, or by the blueprints? Whats everyone's thoughts on this point?




Thanks for your input Ken. There are many ways that people can choose to restore/refurbish a car. I personally do not believe anyone has the right to say it is “wrong” if the person who owns the car is happy with the desired outcome. On a personal note, it was our objective to restore THIS car with the exact attributes and characteristics that IT was assembled with. We even counted and matched the drips that were documented underneath the car! In essence, the car was its own reference for the restoration. We have hundreds of pictures that documented before and after photos showing how precise we were in matching the cars original traits. If someone does not have an original car to start with and their objective is to have a factory type restoration, their other options are to follow the factory engineered drawings or other original cars. While one car may not be exactly “correct” for another car, it can still provide factory original characteristics to follow. As stated earlier, a person has the right to do to their vehicle whatever they choose so trying to pinpoint what is “right or wrong” really comes down to personal preference. Unless someone is attempting an OE factory type restoration, the sky is the limit as to how a car can appear or what it can represent!



Not much there to disagree with.
Posted By: A990

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Ti - 09/04/08 04:48 PM

Thanks for the answers! I have learned that the cars are judged against themselves; I wrognly presumed they were judged against each other, which would be impossible-(in my mind anyway)- to maintain a healthy competition environment.

At any rate, this issue is something the Smithsonian agonizes over when starting a new restoration.

Now you've got to get that car out west so it can be viewed. Maybe Juliano could display it in his collection for a short period?
Posted By: ECS

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Ti - 09/04/08 06:49 PM

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like your opinion that you have the best mopar on earth.




All joking aside sixbbl69, I have a couple of questions. Did you even see or inspect my Challenger (in person) at the 2008 Nationals? If not, what factual information did you base your “opinion“ or assessment on? The other question concerns your quote above. Where did I ever state to you or anyone that it is my "opinion" that I have the best Mopar on earth?

DW




I would still like an answer to the two questions sixbbl69.
Posted By: fig426

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Ti - 09/11/11 08:04 AM

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like your opinion that you have the best mopar on earth.




All joking aside sixbbl69, I have a couple of questions. Did you even see or inspect my Challenger (in person) at the 2008 Nationals? If not, what factual information did you base your “opinion“ or assessment on? The other question concerns your quote above. Where did I ever state to you or anyone that it is my "opinion" that I have the best Mopar on earth?

DW




I would still like an answer to the two questions sixbbl69.




Why bother? He can't spell. His grammar is horrible. He doesn't even have the guts to put his name in his profile. As for his comment about it's who you know in this hobby that gets you places, I don't know anybody, nor do I care to, and I get by perfectly fine. He is obviously ignorant and has nothing beneficial to say. That's my 2 cents worth!! By the way Dave, gorgeous car!!! I want to see a better pic of the TA too!!
Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: Dave Walden's 1970 Challenger R/T-A Step Back in Ti - 09/11/11 06:47 PM

Do you realize that this is a 3 year old thread?
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