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Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars

Posted By: gygeneral

Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/27/10 11:53 AM

Can anyone shed some light on this subject. Unfortunately the car I'm working on was in pieces , so I have nothing to go by. Any information would be appreciated.
Thanks
Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/27/10 01:28 PM

No I don't believe any cars came with a H pipe.
Posted By: gtx6970

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/27/10 01:42 PM

I don't think so
Posted By: Tom Swope

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/27/10 02:00 PM

Our documentation show that the only h-pipe equipped 1971 "B" body cars were the 426 hemi powered applications. However, we have had customers call and order h-pipes for their 71 440 powered cars claiming that they wanted to replace the original h-pipe that was still on the vehicle. Parts manuals list a right and left headpipe only for these 440 cars so if anyone shows a parts manual that lists an h-pipe we would like to see it. Like the old saying goes "never say never with Mopar".
Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/27/10 03:17 PM

Yes they did (on some).
I will see if I can dig up an older post on this board and the Roadrunner Nest where it was discussed in length. There was a change over later in the year where the factory started to use seperate headpipes. I owned a '71 U-code GTX that still had it's original H-pipe with the factory flattened areas. It had a SPD of Dec 17th 1970. A few other members have survivor cars that still have the OEM H-pipes. We compared our Broadcast sheets and the cars with H-pipes listed this in the front pipe boxes:

EXHAUST
LT RT
00 01

The cars equipped with regular headpipes had:

EXHAUST
LT RT
93 76
Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/27/10 03:19 PM

As far as a part # for the H-pipe, I guess we would need someone with a '71 parts book as the later books do not list it as available. I would have to assume that the part # will end in 01...
Posted By: gygeneral

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/27/10 03:37 PM

I have a parts books and for 1971 it only list part numbers 3644994 and 3466995 as the two head pipes. So it appears according to the book no H pipes.

When you say during the year there was a change, do you mean it started as an H pipe and then went to two separate pipes. Because in my book for the 1970 b bodies it list only one part number 3404802.
Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/27/10 03:44 PM

Yes, from the sample cars and sheets we had, it seemed that the H-pipes started off the production of the '71 B-body U and V-code cars then sometime in Jan '71, the seperate heapipes were the norm.
Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/27/10 03:48 PM

http://www.roadrunnernest.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3607

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...ID=#Post5534311
Posted By: gygeneral

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/27/10 04:03 PM

Great information. Looks like I posted on the original Moparts discussion but I guess I didn't follow up or my memory isn't what it used to be. No comments please

My car's spd is 523 so looks like no H pipe for me.

Many thanks
Posted By: AZ-Nick

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/27/10 04:58 PM

Here is a picture of my 71 GTX with original exhaust and you can see the H pipe.. SPD 924

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Posted By: AZ-Nick

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/27/10 05:12 PM

H pipe part number for 1971 was 346646 and 3466994-5

While it does say 426, it was also installed on 440 some motors.
Here is a picture of the parts book sheet




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Posted By: anlauto

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/27/10 05:43 PM

I put one on my 71 440+6 Charger only to have everyone tell me it was wrong Same with the resonators by the gas tank.
Posted By: rayztoy

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/27/10 06:13 PM

No absolutes with MOTHER MOPAR!
Posted By: AZ-Nick

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/27/10 07:04 PM

that is why it is so upsetting to read the many posts on Moparts that the person posting is told....

"He is wrong"
"He doesn't know what he is talking about"
"I have never seen a car like that so none were ever made"
"Until you show me proof I will not believe you"


This is all Bull, there were so many variations back then and unless you pulled the parts and assembled the car yourself, you only have an assumption based on a BS or FT....
Granted there are some really knowledgeable people here on Moparts that have accumulated many years of pictures and documentations and have seen and examined many cars out there, they have findings that are worthy but not 100% accurate, really, unless they were there back then, bets are all off.....

I will give you an example:
I bought a 71 GTX from the original owner, he ordered the X and waited for it to be delivered. He has owned it all this time until I purchased it. When I purchased it we spent time talking about the car and and the history of what he did with it and the problems he had with it. He even kept the original factory installed tires and rims he removed when he installed the slotted mags on the X back in 71. When I bought the car he surprised me be putting them back on the car for me. Well the X is a 4sp so the carb listed for it should be 4967S, well it isn't, it is a 4968S, this is an Auto carb.
I have been called an idiot and I do not know what I am talking about by a so called expert here on Moparts, he said no way that carb was installed on your car, show me the documentation that it was installed..... Bullsh-it, to you and to all that think that way.....

I better stop and turn the rant off, step off the soapbox and have a cup of coffee..
Posted By: Snoopy

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/27/10 09:34 PM

From the 70-71 Factory Parts Book. Jan 72 revision.

w/440 Eng. 70 - 3404802
w/440 Eng. 71 - 3466994 & 3466995
Posted By: rayztoy

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/27/10 10:10 PM

Nick,
I agree with you. I had a similiar situation with an auto carb on my 4 speed car from the factory, amongst others.
Posted By: gygeneral

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/28/10 12:58 AM

Quote:

From the 70-71 Factory Parts Book. Jan 72 revision.

w/440 Eng. 70 - 3404802
w/440 Eng. 71 - 3466994 & 3466995




It would be nice if someone had an earlier version of the parts book which could confirm what the conclusion is, that earlier up to Jan 71 it was an H pipe with only one part number then to the two part numbers mentioned above.
Posted By: Tom Swope

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/28/10 01:30 AM

Wow! Did'nt know some were so passionate about exhaust. Thought we were the only ones. Up to about 2 years ago when a 71 440 "B" body exhaust system was ordered we automatically sent the customer an h-pipe exhaust system thinking that this was correct. Then we got straightened out by a few 71 "B" experts in the field concerning what was correct regarding the exhaust. We had no way to prove otherwise by either documentation or by reviewing existing survivor cars. So now we automatically send (2) headpipes unless a customer opts for an optional h-pipe for 71 440 applications. So far this has made most people happy and has kept us out of hot water with the experts. Either way put what you want on the car because most people would'nt know the difference.

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Posted By: cdp

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/28/10 01:51 AM

My old 71 GTX with a 440-4/auto had a factory H pipe. It was a texas car but built in St. Louis.

My current is also a survivor exhaust system with an H pipe. Also 440-4/auto.
Posted By: BigMoneyLewis

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/28/10 02:22 AM

My survivor 71 GTX U code still had the original H pipe .
RS23U1G100327 803 SPD .

Greg
Posted By: demon

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/28/10 03:44 AM

Quote:

I put one on my 71 440+6 Charger only to have everyone tell me it was wrong Same with the resonators by the gas tank.


Speaking of the resonators, my 71 440 Six Pack Charger does not have them and looks to have the original tips on the tailpipes too. What's the deal on the resonators and tips?is this also an early VS late production situation?
Posted By: gygeneral

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/28/10 01:18 PM

I don't think any 71b 440 equiped cars ever came with resonators.
Posted By: Tom Swope

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/28/10 01:58 PM

Here is an illustration that might help. Even though the illustration shows that the 440 applications had tailpipes not resonators we have had customers claim that their original 71 6barrel/pak 440 cars were equipped with them. Like always "never say never with Mopar". Maybe for some extra cash one could get resonators as no modifications are required for installation.

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Posted By: b54406barrel

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/28/10 06:05 PM

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Here is an illustration that might help. Even though the illustration shows that the 440 applications had tailpipes not resonators we have had customers claim that their original 71 6barrel/pak 440 cars were equipped with them. Like always "never say never with Mopar". Maybe for some extra cash one could get resonators as no modifications are required for installation.




Could it have been 'required noise reduction' like in 1970 for CA sold cars?
Posted By: gtx6970

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/28/10 08:26 PM

I'm not 100% sure as I don't really follow post 71 cars much( yea I know I should )

But I looked at a 71 Hemi runner years ago, and I'm almost positive it had resonators in ft of the chrome tips. Maybe it was factory and maybe they were added
Posted By: twodoorpost

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/28/10 10:12 PM

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From the 70-71 Factory Parts Book. Jan 72 revision.

w/440 Eng. 70 - 3404802
w/440 Eng. 71 - 3466994 & 3466995




It would be nice if someone had an earlier version of the parts book which could confirm what the conclusion is, that earlier up to Jan 71 it was an H pipe with only one part number then to the two part numbers mentioned above.




FSM from March 1971 has the same numbers as above
Posted By: gygeneral

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/29/10 12:08 AM

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From the 70-71 Factory Parts Book. Jan 72 revision.

w/440 Eng. 70 - 3404802
w/440 Eng. 71 - 3466994 & 3466995




It would be nice if someone had an earlier version of the parts book which could confirm what the conclusion is, that earlier up to Jan 71 it was an H pipe with only one part number then to the two part numbers mentioned above.




FSM from March 1971 has the same numbers as above




Were getting close, just a few month earlier.
Posted By: Kern Dog

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/29/10 07:42 AM



"He is wrong"
"He doesn't know what he is talking about"
"I have never seen a car like that so none were ever made"
"Until you show me proof I will not believe you"


This is all Bull, there were so many variations back then and unless you pulled the parts and assembled the car yourself, you only have an assumption

ABSOLUTELY! I had a FIRESTORM on a Duster/A body brake post elsewhere on this forum. It boggles my mind when people step over one another with such little decorum. If I make an incorrect statement, I shouldn't expect to be reprimanded. If I see something that I think may be wrong, I try to let the members know that previous posts may be wrong, then offer my perspective. I know that I have much more to learn. These cars ARE wierd. Do the GM and Ford guys have these kinds of problems or is it just us?
Posted By: 71X-mark

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/30/10 02:02 AM

To further substantiate the original factory installation of H-pipes on 1971 440 B-bodies, my brother's 9/70 Ontario built 4-speed 4-Bbl GTX was so equipped. I know this because it has been in the family since it was purchased new.
Posted By: rayztoy

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/30/10 02:16 AM

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Do the GM and Ford guys have these kinds of problems or is it just us?




YEP!
Posted By: Butterscotch71

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 05/30/10 02:38 AM

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I put one on my 71 440+6 Charger only to have everyone tell me it was wrong Same with the resonators by the gas tank.


Speaking of the resonators, my 71 440 Six Pack Charger does not have them and looks to have the original tips on the tailpipes too. What's the deal on the resonators and tips?is this also an early VS late production situation?




On 440+6 cars (71 B), the only way you got resonators was if it was coded for exhaust tips (N42) and noise reduction (N97)
Hemi cars came standard with resonators and tips
Posted By: 71GTX471

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 04/06/21 11:33 PM

Interesting never knew this always assumed L&R head pipes,checked my broadcast sheet under exh.00 01 SPD 126 St.Louis,car had headers when I bought it and I cant recall if it had what was left of an H pipe.
Posted By: demon

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 04/08/21 01:13 PM

My 71 440 V code has individual head pipes. They have the flattened areas and clearance dents, and I am 99% certain they are the originals. The build sheet shows left and right part numbers.
Very late build date.
Posted By: cdp

Re: Did 71 B Bodies come with H pipes on six pack cars - 04/09/21 11:28 PM

(2) 71 GTX's, both original H-pipes still intact. I've sold one already, but still have the other. So yes, 71 440 cars had H-pipes. Maybe some didn't. Would be interesting see some others. There is a 71 GTX 10k mile V-code car thats fairly well known, Autumn Bronze Metallic, and another one, Hemi orange & yellow V-code, done by Roger Gibson (was in Wellborn Collection), that was a concourse cars.
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