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440 distributor

Posted By: tx9440

440 distributor - 01/20/10 11:45 PM

I just purchased a distributor on ebay item #230422363671 for my 70 Dodge challenger 440 4 barrel 4spd. After getting it I realized it might be incorrect. The red anodized tag reads the 3438222 which is correct but the date is 6 9 which in my mind is for a 69 build and the vacuum advance part # is 2642262. Does anyone know if this is correct or can I use the distributor and change the advance and put a repro date correct tag on it? I would even consider purchasing a correct one if there is one available.

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Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: 440 distributor - 01/21/10 12:43 PM

IIRC, a 440 4-speed in '70 should have had the Prestolite dual-point distributor. That's a Prestolite vacuum advance pod, but the distributor itself is a Chrysler version. After reading his ad and him claiming it's even for a v-code, that's absolutely wrong. Again, the iron Prestolite dual-point is for a '70 v-code and 4-speed u-code. The automatic u-codes would come with the Chrysler single-point and the v-code autos, again, would come with the Prestolite.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I know for a fact a 440 4speed car in '69 would have the dual point.

Troy

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Posted By: tx9440

Re: 440 distributor - 01/21/10 02:03 PM

Based on the info I have in my books all 440 4 barrels will have a single point distributor regardless of the tranny type. He had told me the vacuum advance changed mid year and went to an electronic one. Do not know if this is correct.
Posted By: 62maxwgn

Re: 440 distributor - 01/21/10 02:19 PM

1969,
440 auto, single point
440 4spd dual point
69 1/2 both dual point

1970,
440 4spd single point
440 auto single point
440 6pk dual both.

6/9 date code is June,a little early but possible.


These are both are 70 6pk,early on right,late on left.

Also,Troy if that is a picture of a 69 engine,it has the wrong vacuum advance.

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Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: 440 distributor - 01/21/10 02:51 PM

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Also,Troy if that is a picture of a 69 engine,it has the wrong vacuum advance.




That should be a '70-1 440 since it has the 1/2" and 5/8" heater hose fittings. '69 would be 5/8"- 5/8"
Posted By: 62maxwgn

Re: 440 distributor - 01/21/10 02:55 PM

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Also,Troy if that is a picture of a 69 engine,it has the wrong vacuum advance.




That should be a '70-1 440 since it has the 1/2" and 5/8" heater hose fittings. '69 would be 5/8"- 5/8"




I woild suspect that is a Hemi as to the fuel line tee,where the coil is mounted and the bracket's.
Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: 440 distributor - 01/21/10 03:05 PM

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Also,Troy if that is a picture of a 69 engine,it has the wrong vacuum advance.




It's a hemi. I was trying to convey the Prestolite body versus the Chrysler.

Nice to know I'm still learning. So, '70 would have been single point as well for a 440 auto or 4-speed. My experiences with '70 models on both my '70 Chargers R/T were v-codes and '69 440 speeds, hence my bias towards dual-breaker distributor application and my false assumption the '70 model year would have followed suit for the 440 4-speed cars.

But, would the '70 distributor pictured in the original guestion have the Prestolite-style advance or the more traditional Chrysler?

Troy
Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: 440 distributor - 01/21/10 03:18 PM

I have owned several of the 3438222 distributors over the years and they all had the electronic retard canister like this 222 dizzy in a '70 u-code New Yorker.

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Posted By: hemi_tyme

Re: 440 distributor - 01/21/10 03:26 PM

70/71 440-4 bbl 4 sp or auto should have a single point distributor and vacuum advance w/electronic box.
Ken
Posted By: 62maxwgn

Re: 440 distributor - 01/21/10 03:46 PM

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70/71 440-4 bbl 4 sp or auto should have a single point distributor and vacuum advance w/electronic box.
Ken




Just like this.

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Posted By: hemi_tyme

Re: 440 distributor - 01/21/10 03:51 PM

Quote:

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70/71 440-4 bbl 4 sp or auto should have a single point distributor and vacuum advance w/electronic box.
Ken




Just like this.



Yes, or tan colored box
Posted By: tx9440

Re: 440 distributor - 01/21/10 04:30 PM

Can I use the distributor I have and change the vacuum and will it then be 100% correct looking or should I buy another one. If buying one is the better option does anyone know where I can get it.
Posted By: moparply

Re: 440 distributor - 01/21/10 05:13 PM

You need to change the vacumm canister. They are available in used and NOS, I might have an extra.
Posted By: hemi_tyme

Re: 440 distributor - 01/21/10 05:16 PM

Pm sent
Posted By: 62maxwgn

Re: 440 distributor - 01/21/10 05:20 PM

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Can I use the distributor I have and change the vacuum and will it then be 100% correct looking or should I buy another one. If buying one is the better option does anyone know where I can get it.




Actually,with the distributor you show I don't know how they got the vacuum advance connected.That is a Prestolite advance,it has a arm with a hole that mounts to a pin on the breaker plate,the distributor you show is a Chrysler unit which is just the opposite,the stud on the arm goes in a hole on the breaker plate.You can use the distributor you have with the above vacuum unit I posted as long as it has the correct breaker plate.I'd like to see a picture of that plate.
Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: 440 distributor - 01/21/10 05:35 PM

I just installed a single-breaker in my 440 auto Daytona and it works fine... I wanted the motor to be more correct.
Posted By: tx9440

Re: 440 distributor - 01/21/10 05:58 PM

Here is a picture of the arm and plate.

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Posted By: 62maxwgn

Re: 440 distributor - 01/21/10 06:18 PM

Havn't a clue as to the Prestolite vacuum advance with the distributor cap locating tabs.Here are the only variations I have seen.Only one is Prestolite,the others are Chrysler.Have never seen a Prestolite unit on a Chrysler distributor. The Chrysler unit with the electronic unit as pictured is the correct one for the 70 440 4spd.

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Posted By: 62maxwgn

Re: 440 distributor - 01/21/10 06:23 PM

And if you have the correct 4737 AVS 4spd carb,it should have this solenoid and bracket to work in conjunction with the distributor.

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Posted By: tx9440

Re: 440 distributor - 01/21/10 06:34 PM

It appears to be correct I just do not have the wire. Is there a repro avaiable.

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Posted By: tx9440

Re: 440 distributor - 01/21/10 06:57 PM

Is the carb tag available as a repro.
Posted By: 62maxwgn

Re: 440 distributor - 01/21/10 08:06 PM

I don't think anyone is doing tags but but I could be wrong.Also don't know about the wire,may have an extra if I look.
Posted By: tx9440

Re: 440 distributor - 01/21/10 09:25 PM

Should I keep the distributor I paid $155, buy the correct vacuum advance $80 and buy the correct tag $25 with a total cost of $260 or try and locate one that is 100% correct. What are my chances of finding one?
Posted By: tx9440

Re: 440 distributor - 01/26/10 09:49 PM

Is the shaft of a 70 distributor smooth or does it have square notches? Looking at pics of distributors I see all smooth shafts but a distributor I bought off of ebay and another distributor that collectors auto supply has it is also not smooth. The date on that distributor is 070 with a part #3438222. There is a picture of the distributor on the 1st post.
Posted By: Aar1064

Re: 440 distributor - 01/31/15 02:36 PM

I'm trying to determine which vacuum canister is right for a 340 six pack. I know The pic you posted are 440 and wonder if the dates you referred to apply to an AAR. I've seen both types on the 3438521 distributor but wonder if either was just put on to show a completed part. I've always thought the one on the left was correct but just saw a pic of a NOS and it has the other.

Thanks
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