A4 Platinum Silver 1969 4Spd Hemi Road Runner... Rare?

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Great pictures Allen... I really like the one of the cars lined up in the shop!

Darren

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Thanks Darren, but you have seen the cluttered mess it is now... but a solution is in work...

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Any other known A4 Platinum / M6S Pewter Hemi Road Runners (or GTXs)? Or other A4 Hemi RRs/GTXs with other color interiors?...

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I know of four Hemi RR's in A4. All are automatics and only one has the M6S interior.

Here's an A4 Hemi RR that was in Omaha for awhile. I think it wound up in AZ after that.

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Putting up another steel building - didn't you just finish the other one? Hope this build goes smoother than the other one - I remember you telling me about your electrician problems.

BTW - did you go to the meeting yesterday? I was unable to make it, I was working on a '66 Belvedere for a guy...

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The Electrician that I am using is great! He is a fellow CMPT member and good friend who does top notch work... You might be remembering me talk about how difficult it is to wire a building full of cars and parts. My friend has worked under access conditions most electricians would not accept...

In fact, he has helped me enormously in setting up shelving to start organizing the shop. He is about 2/3 done with wiring the new building...

I missed the club meeting too.

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we have a hidden away 4 speed A4 with pewter int orig owner car here in seattle i have no fender tag or other info sorry its real though! dan

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Is it a Hemi Road Runner?... That would make it "3 of 1"...

Next time you talk to the owner, see if he is willing to get in contact with me... I promise not to try to buy his car...

Thanks for the info... any pictures?

Allen

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Also, a forum member (Lon) has a A12 Road Runner in A4/Pewter...

Allen

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Maybe in the next few days I will post the crazy story of how I bought the RR... and how it almost got away...

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Thanks to everyone who posted… looks like my A4 Hemi RR is one of my rarer cars

For those that might like to hear the story of how I acquired the Hemi RR, here is a short(er) version:

It all started when some jerk smashed the rear bumper on my college car, a 1968 440 Magnum powered Polara. They took off without leaving a note offering to fix the damage. With money to fix the damage being in short supply, I decided to replace the rear bumper with a junk yard part, leaving the quarter panel damage for a later fix. After calling about a dozen junk yards, a small one in Bryan said they had nice bumper for my Polara.

When I arrived at the junk yard, I could see the Road Runner sitting forlorn in the distance. I checked in at the office and we went to look at the bumper they had. It was a nice bumper, in fact it looked real nice… on the 1967 Chrysler it was part of. The manager of the yard said he thought they were interchangeable… NOT!

As we walked back towards the office, I started to check out the Road Runner in the distance… trying to make out if the hood callouts were 383 or 440. Being new to the hobby at the time, I did not know that 440 4BBLs were not available in '69 RRs… and the possibility of it being a Hemi car had not even crossed my mind. I then noticed the trunk badge, but thought it was a dealer nameplate… as I mentioned before, I was a Mopar newbie. As we walked, I started to "side-step" to get nearer to the RR (we were still talking about getting a rear bumper for the Polara). About every ten feet, I would walk about 5 feet to the left… the manager would then notice and close back up with me.

Finally, I looked back at the hood callouts and for the first time I clearly saw they were Hemi badges. After regaining my composure, I "casually" asked about "that old Plymouth". The manager said that they had just acquired the car in a lot purchase at a salvage auction in Dallas. We now walked toward the Road Runner, and I asked if the car was for sale. He replied that they had planned to part it out, but he would sell it "as is" at a price of $350… explaining that it had a freshly rebuilt engine. Wiping away the startled look on my face, I asked to see the engine. Sparing me a heart attack, it turned out to be a rebuilt 383.

Making up a BS story about maybe putting the 440 from my "wrecked" Polara in another car, I asked if they would sell the RR minus the rebuilt 383 engine. He said they would sell the car minus engine for $150… a more affordable price for a college kid! I was hoping to do the deal that day, but the manager said it would take a few days to remove the engine AND to obtain the title which was enroute from the auction site. Then the wait began, with me calling every 2-3 days… only to be told the engine was still in the RR, and the title had not yet arrived. This went on for about a month, with me driving by the yard about once a week to make sure the car was still there… it was.

Then one day I called and their phone was disconnected… OMG… PANIC! I made the trip to the yard in record time, and found the gate locked and a sign saying the yard had been purchased by the largest yard in Bryan… Doggett Auto Parts. The yard was almost empty, with maybe a dozen cars scattered about in it… including the Hemi Road Runner! I took off to Doggett, a large dismantler that did not allow access to their yard, but instead had LARGE shelving units with well organized parts.

After arriving at Doggett, I rambled on to a counter guy about the closed yard and the car I wanted to buy. He said that he did not know anything about it, and asked if I would like to talk to Mr Doggett… I said YES! A few minutes later Mr Doggett came to the counter… in a crisp suit, looking like the Chairman of the Board. About halfway through my story, Mr Doggett stopped me and said: "I have spent most of my life trying to live up to the promises made by others, and don't try to anymore. If you want the car I will sell it to you for $150… with the engine… DO YOU WANT IT?".

I stammered out a "Yes!", and he went to check if he had the title. A minute later he was back with the title in hand!!! I wrote a check, got a receipt and the title, and was told the car would be delivered the next day (at 11:00 AM IIRC). At precisely the promised time the next day, a shiny new Ford wrecker pulled into the apartment parking lot with the Hemi Road Runner in tow. The driver expertly backed the car in the spot that I wanted in the first try. The driver was Mr Doggett himself… I SWEAR… in a crisp pair of overalls! As he lowered the car, he told me a story of being forced to a stop on the way over by two guys who wanted to buy the RR. He said that he gave them my name and phone number… PANIC AGAIN!

After he left, I called a hometown friend with a pick-up to flat tow the car to my parent's home with a rented tow bar. After a sleep-less night, we towed the RR the next morning. True story…

Aren't y'all glad that I didn't give the long version of the story?...

Allen

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Hi, Can I ask if the car has been restored,now? Does it have a Hemi in it? I think that car would be georgeous when done. Thanks for sharing it's story and pictures with us. Most of us can only dream about finding such a car. Ron.

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I am sorry to say the RR is still awaiting restoration, although it did get repainted in the very early 1980s. I bought a Hemi engine for the car also in the early 1980s, and have accumulated a lot of NOS parts for it over the years... I hope to have it restored in the next 5-6 years...

Here is a picture taken after the repaint:

Allen

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Long story or short, doesn't matter...great story all the same. Thanks for taking time to type it.

Joe

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Thanks Joe... it took me almost two hours...

Allen

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Why was it considered junk in the first place?

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I am not sure Robin... possibly because the Silver paint was toast. Also, there was a series of rapid title transfers, and possibly some litigation... The four title assignments were filled out on the back of the title... never saw that before or since. I will try to post some of the documents that I got from the Texas DMV in the next few days.

I had the RR driveable after a day's work... new battery, clean the fuel tank & lines, and kit the carb and it was road ready... the tires were a bit sporty tho!

A few months later I dropped the 440 in... and promptly blew all the facing off of the clutch disc. Then a new clutch disc and off I went...

Allen

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Great story ,Allen! Thanks for sharing

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Glad you liked it Gary!

"Leland" only kept the RR for about two years, selling it on 4/19/71. Here is a Power of Attorney form giving POA to someone named "Joe" with the same last name, probably a relative.

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did all that paper work come with the car ??

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No Danny, I received the documents from the DMV in the early 80s for a $5 fee. The Texas DMV still offers an "Ownership History", but most of the early records were destroyed in a fire in the mid 1980s...

Allen

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Excellent. Do any of them have an amount? Anything to indicate when the motor went missing?
That's a great story.

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Thanks... glad you liked the story! None of the documents showed a sales price, so the only amount that I know is what I paid... $150

Over the years I have heard stories from different sources about cars that MAY be my Hemi RR. The first was about someone that bought a Hemi Road Runner to pull the motor for racing and then resold the car. The other story was about a silver Hemi RR that sat in the back lot of a dealer (car lot) or dealership (new car) for several years while a court fight dragged on.

I need to do some serious research using the Internet...

Allen

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With the info you have, you may be able to track down the original motor. It does not sound like it was in it by the time it got to the salvage yard so one of the previous owner's knows. Of course, many 4 speed Hemi car's did not have motors that survived but you hear about them being found every once in a while. Good luck.

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Thanks... I started my Internet investigation yesterday, and ran into my first dead end. Chuck Taylor Motors is no longer around, and the current occupants of their business location said no former employees were retained when they bought the business.

I might have better luck tracking down the original owner "Dan"... after 15 minutes of detective work using property records and phone listings, I believe that I have located his parents. The lady that I spoke with remembers her son having a car like the silver Hemi RR that he purchased new and raced a lot. He sold the car when he joined the US Marines... She said she would pass along my phone number to Dan.

Stay tuned...

Allen

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so there may be a chance for me to have mine looked up. Can you hook me up with the needed paperwork to have this done.

Lon

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What took you so long to get here Lon?

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, most of the early records were destroyed in a fire in the mid 1980s... but it is worth a try! Due to current day privacy & anti-stalking laws, you will have to comply with the "permitted uses" rules as well... see the form.

The current form seems to be VTR-275, look at the "Title Histories" section. Various forms, including VTR-275 are available at this link:

http://www.txdot.gov/txdot_library/drivers_vehicles/forms/vehicles.htm

Good Luck Lon!

Allen

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Good for you Allen. I love to hear about another good fortune story about a fellow Texan! Especially one that invloves a 69 Hemi Road Runner in A4 silver. Man that has got to be my all time favorite color on a Runner. Here is a pic of my 69 A4 silver 383 4 speed Runner. While it is a lowly 383 car it is still a winner to me. As you can tell she has had a very hard life and after 40 Michigan winters it's still around. I let my kids use it for high school and they had more fun in that old car. Great story there Allen! JC.

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needless to say, I too love the 69 A4 4 speed Plymouths.

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Sometimes it is tough trying to get in touch with previous owners. I managed to find the second owner of my A4 car from an old electric bill I found uner what was left of the carpet. He did tell this crazy story about the car. Apparently the original owner was into illegal type activities and was using the car for transportation of said stuff. He preceded to tell me that the car came with a 440 six barrel engine from the factory with a lift off hood. After the car was wrecked this cat started to sell off all the high buck stuff from the car to pay legal expenses and that is when second owner bought what was left. It is a Lynch Rd. car and the build date is right in line with when the order came down for the construction of the first six pack cars. The car is an "H" code vin and the tag reads almost identical to what the A12 cars do except the A12 on the fender tag. After reading the story about the red 4 speed "H" code car from Canada, who is a member here, I always wondered if my car could have been a pre-production unit given the second owners story. My car does have the original small font 054 rad in it. Also has the correct leaf springs, torsion bars. I am going to restore the car back to six barrel status and will always have to wonder if the stories were true or not. Either way these cars lived it up when the were new and I am sure each one has a story to tell. Sorry for the long winded post. I hope you find your guy. By the way I am from Ft. Worth, Tx. JC.

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I have to add.

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And we're glad you did.

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I just finished this car for a local collector. It is a real Hemi Rag done to OE standards. Every part on the out side of this car in NOS. I would have love to have this car painted in acrylic enamal, but the customer likes the shine. I will post some more pictures later.

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In my opinion, a 1969 GTX looks it's best in A4 silver, with red interior.

I have a customer out east with a hemi car in this color and black vinyl top. It's looks absolutely amazing. Looks just like the sales brochure photo

I know the former owner of the shown A4 Hemi vert.
Every time I talked to him i'd ask if it was done yet. But I knew he sold the car a couple years ago and glad to see it's finally finished.

sorry for the hijack, carry on

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When I had my B7 Hemi GTX I met a fellow in Alberta that had an original paint silver 69 GTX. I haven't heard about that car for years though. If I was ordering a new 69 GTX it would also be silver, black vinyl roof and red interior.

Sheldon

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Someone sent me a photo of a 1969 A4 Hemi GTX from Alberta but it had a blue interior like my platinum metallic A12 Runner. (This is a photo of mine.) The A4 GTX was being displayed at shows. Maybe there are two A4 Hemi 69 GTX's in Alberta, one with red and one with a blue interior? That would be nice to know? I would say that an A4 Hemi GTX with platinum interior is pretty rare...but then all 69 Hemi GTX cars are probably relatively just as rare. I guess the value will be in the eyes of the beholder?

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Someone sent me a photo of a 1969 A4 Hemi GTX from Alberta but it had a blue interior like my platinum metallic A12 Runner. (This is a photo of mine.)

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Here is a B7 Blue Hemi Road Runner with Pewter interior that a friend used to own... opposite combo to yours. More pics of your A12?...

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Can you say Rare. I can say rare.

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69 Hemi GTX ragtops total production was 11 US sales and 5 in Canada.

Of the 5 that came to Canada two were A4 Platinum.

Fantastic job on the car Mauro. With your work and the colour, NOS pieces and the solid original car that GTX is probably the best 69 Hemi GTX rag out there.

I am really pleased to see it done.

And I agree with many here that A4 is one of the best colours on the 69 Plymouth B-bodys. They do look really good with the performance hood paint and the lower rocker black out.

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I AGREE More Photos PLEASE.
That would be the PERFECT car for me except for a black top.
Nice.

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I'm thinking A4 with a red interior. Anyone have any pic's?

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I have a friend with an A4 GTX with that same red interior as show above it is unbelievable cool, if i had the extra cash i would own that GTX

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P6S is bucket seats and pewter color interior I believe.

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P6S is Premium grade interior for the GTX
M6S is Medium grade interior for the Road Runner (like mine)

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I have a 69 GTX that is A4. It has a black interior but supposedly it came with a silver interior. I have read others talk about M6S as the code. Mine says P6S. Would you happen to know what that would be?

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Awesome car you have there... Put it back to a Pewter (Silver) interior... then sell it to me!

Is this your GTX by chance?...

Allen

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Thank you... I believe it will go back to the original color combo...
Are you referring to the build sheet?

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What an awesome twist...

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It has been a great two weeks for detective work on three of my cars...

69 Hemi RR - Talked to 1st owner, expect to get pictures

68 Hemi Charger R/T - Talked to 3rd, 4th, & 6th owners, expect to get pictures from one of them

70 Superbird - Talked to 1st owner, expect to get pictures, original paperwork, and some small parts... Also got copies of nine Ads for my Superbird, see four of them in attachment below...

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Very nice GTX you have! I also own a 69 GTX in A4. It has a black interior now but originally it had an A4 interior. I'm thinking of restoring it back to original, does anyone have any idea how many GTX's came with this color combo? Or does anyone know who I could ask for this info?

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A4 is my favorite color. JD my friend has an A12 Roadrunner,its color is also A4 with red interior, automatic, bench seats, no power of anything or any kind not even a radio. He has not registered the car yet and plans on restoring it pretty soon.He also has a 69 A4 GTX.I think platinum silver looks good on chargers too.

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My first Hemi car was a A4 69 Charger R/T auto with a black interior $1,500 bucks back in 1978 and I was only 18 years old. I really like that color. I know of a 69 GTX conv 4 speed car A4 black top blue interior. Same owner for close to 40 years.

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Over the years I can only recall seeing two other A4 1969 Hemi Road Runners, the first owned by a former NHOA board member... the car had a black interior IIRC. The other was the Platinum/Pewter (Automatic?) car proclaimed to be "1 of 1" in Mopar Collectors Guide in the 1990s... so I started calling mine "2 of 1".
I have always believed that there were probably 6-10 Platinum/Pewter combo 1969 Hemi Road Runners... but I am starting to doubt it now. Any confirmed Platinum/Pewter Hemi RRs known to forum members... Pictures?
The attached picture is shortly after purchase in 1977...
Allen

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I think it would be cool to have a street race between them!

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