AG Backeast/Datatags

Is Datatags toast? I keep getting conflicting info, Backeast sold the business to someone else, they went belly up, he retired but someone else is running the place.... What is going on? Anyone know?

Hopefully they got so tired of the fake tags they made being outed that they gave up.

from what what i heard the son is running it and he is 2 to 4 months backed up.

https://identification-plates.com/en/

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/254628056579

I'd kind of like to have a fake fender tag made

If it’s exactly like original, is it fake?

I'd call that a reproduction.

Absolutely not, if it's an exact copy of the original that you still own, nope. You can't fake a tag, try to get the VON number correct not to mention the option codes and lay out correct, good luck. Just like the butterscotch 71 HEMI Cuda automatic that is suppose to be auctioned at at MECUM next week, the cowl stamp is terrible and the fender tags are an awful attempt and totally fake.

If it’s exact, identical, letter for letter, tell me how you could tell the difference? I have talked with people, he has the original dies and stamps that were used. He only makes one IF it has a build sheet, ibm card or original rusted or damaged tag.

What is the current website, if any?

It's not about telling the difference. In my book, every tag is a unique piece - they only made one. If someone makes an exact copy of an old painting, using the exact materials that the original artist used - do you consider it as a fake or a reproduction?
I think it depends on your definition of a tag being fake. Does it mean the information on it ist wrong or does it mean it's not the original tag. There are different opinions on that matter.

If someone makes an exact copy of an old painting, using the exact materials that the original artist used - do you consider it as a fake or a reproduction?

In the art world its called a forgery.

Owning a forgery, on the other hand is unfortunate. Forgeries are defined as works deliberately made to resemble style, technique and manner of certain painter, in order to deceive prospective buyers. They are made to trick, and as such

The repro fender tag deal is all about the motive behind it, IMO.
Deception & untruth intended to misrepresent is wrong, whether it's a FT, artwork, etc.
If a FT was reproduced accurately, with the true info (documented), because the original was rusty/damaged, I'm OK with that.
Best is to have the old tag & Broadcast Sheet so there's no doubt.

For the two above, it’s not a painting, it’s a piece of steel stamped with the SAME factory dies. If you think you could tell the difference I call BS. As far as why it’s being made, lost, stolen, rusted away or to shut people up on why it doesn’t have one. As long as the car has documentation it’s legit. This guy WON’T make one unless you got the paperwork.

well Mr potato head in the Art World a reproduction is called a reproduction , a forgery is a copy ment to decieve someone into believing it is an original

I always find this topic humorist and usually hypocritical too. So what else on the car is a forgery. The restoration of the alternator and the stamping of diodes, the Voltage regulator and all the other ink stamp, labels and date code stamps used to make it look original? Carburetor parts? The actual paint, let alone reproduction parts made overseas with part numbers cast in? You name it and it is copied, and detailed to look OEM new. But they are "accepted" forgeries. So that is ok. The Data tag is not in the hobby. The paper work is king, how the data tag became such a thing, is a little bizarre to me since it was exposed metal and can easily be rusted or removed and lost.

Anybody know what the current website is for whatever Data Tags has become?

The problem becomes people changing them to reflect more desirable options, paint, drivetrain.

I think you meant to say "accepted".

Some folks are stupidly judgemental of vehicles that don't have a tag.

Only way to stop is to put a tag on.

The vin will tell you, "you've got a 1969 Hemi road runner built at X plant".
For many of us, that is really enough to start with and we can figure out the rest.

Elitist snobs aren't ever happy with just the VIN, they will lose their minds that you can't prove it was an original 4 speed car or whatever detail they choose,
because there is no tag.

To some extent, putting a car up for sale invites that activity. But I've seen it happen on display vehicles that were not for sale.

A repro tag puts a stop to most of that.

Stop using sense, it does not work with the elitist snobs on this board and elsewhere. If it is not 100% correct by the tag that they say was born with the car then it is a fraud and should be snubbed by the muscle car community...

The problem becomes people changing them to reflect more desirable options, paint, drivetrain.

I think you meant to say "accepted". [/quote]

Correct:-)

Not just snubbed, the car should be confiscated by the authorities, and crushed, and the owner charged with a felony!
There is a ton of details that affect the value of a car, and all the plusses and minuses must be considered to determine where the car falls in the value range before buying one.
Some people are only proud of owning a car that is a survivor with all original paperwork, on the other end of the scale, some are proud to own a somewhat thrown together clone. Most of us lie somewhere in between. If someone desires a rare car but has a tight budget, a real car with a made up tag showing some unverifiable options might be affordable to them, and they'd be proud to own it. Not sure why I should lose sleep over that?
And looking under a cars hood and seeing no tag looks bad. Too me it's not much different than looking into the interior of a car and seeing the carpeting is missing or side interior panels gone. Underhood needs a tag to look factory.

I put the fender tag from a 1968 VIP I found in the junkyard on my 1969 GTX for awhile.

From a distance, I've caught 4 or 5 people trying to decode the tag over the years. Hope they had fun with that.

So, third time's a charm, anybody know what the current website is for whatever Data Tags has become?

Agbackeast@gmail.com seems to be the only current contact for Brett Stoutenberg/also try 18608774440

MikeG

Mike, thanks. I'll give it a shot.

In today’s market, a fender tag is a valuable asset. For many crooks, they’re just looking to add value to the car.