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67 9-1/4 rear?
Posted By: cudaman1969
67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/16/20 05:13 PM
Looking thru the 67 Plymouth service manual, looking in the section on the rear axels. It says the Hemi 4 speed uses the Dana -9-3/4 but the 440 4 speed used the -9-1/4 rear. I personally have never seen one and was under the assumption the Dana was used. Would this 9-1/4 be the same as the 70-80 truck rear? I did part out a 68 and 69 440 4 speed car and both had the 9-3/4 dana. Was it a one year only thing?
Posted By: DoctorDiff
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/18/20 02:16 AM
Hemi 4-speed and 440 4-speed B-bodies came with a 9 3/4" Dana 60 rear.
440 4-speed C-bodies came with a 9 1/4" Dana 53 rear. This is not the same as the newer 9.25" Chrysler corporate rearend.
Posted By: cudaman1969
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/18/20 03:15 AM
What I thought to, from the 1967 Plymouth service manual. 67 first year for the 440 in the b-body’s right
Posted By: 6PakBee
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/18/20 02:40 PM
440 4-speed C-bodies came with a 9 1/4" Dana 53 rear. This is not the same as the newer 9.25" Chrysler corporate rearend.
Wow, not too many of those puppies around.
Posted By: mccannix
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/18/20 03:52 PM
Posted By: gtx6970
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/18/20 06:20 PM
Looking thru the 67 Plymouth service manual, looking in the section on the rear axels. It says the Hemi 4 speed uses the Dana -9-3/4 but the 440 4 speed used the -9-1/4 rear. I personally have never seen one and was under the assumption the Dana was used. Would this 9-1/4 be the same as the 70-80 truck rear? I did part out a 68 and 69 440 4 speed car and both had the 9-3/4 dana. Was it a one year only thing?
Typo
Posted By: 62maxwgn
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/18/20 09:17 PM
Factory Dana 53 that I removed from a 1967 Fury 440-4 speed
Here is another one 3.31,perfect fit in a 62 B-body,no alterations what so ever.
Posted By: cudaman1969
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/18/20 10:49 PM
What I figured a typo, Checked today on my buddy’s 67 440 X, Dana for sure.
Posted By: John_Kunkel
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/19/20 08:45 PM
Looking thru the 67 Plymouth service manual, looking in the section on the rear axels. It says the Hemi 4 speed uses the Dana -9-3/4 but the 440 4 speed used the -9-1/4 rear. I personally have never seen one and was under the assumption the Dana was used. Would this 9-1/4 be the same as the 70-80 truck rear? I did part out a 68 and 69 440 4 speed car and both had the 9-3/4 dana. Was it a one year only thing?
Typo
Not a typo, the Dana 53 has a 9 1/4" ring gear. From the '67 C-Body manual:
Posted By: gtx6970
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/19/20 10:13 PM
Looking thru the 67 Plymouth service manual, looking in the section on the rear axels. It says the Hemi 4 speed uses the Dana -9-3/4 but the 440 4 speed used the -9-1/4 rear. I personally have never seen one and was under the assumption the Dana was used. Would this 9-1/4 be the same as the 70-80 truck rear? I did part out a 68 and 69 440 4 speed car and both had the 9-3/4 dana. Was it a one year only thing?
Typo
Not a typo, the Dana 53 has a 9 1/4" ring gear. From the '67 C-Body manual:
The original post was about the service manual stating of a 9-1/4 Dana in a B body. yet no such animal exists
THATS a typo.
Posted By: John_Kunkel
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/19/20 11:13 PM
Read the OP again, no mention of what body in either the header or the text, only says "67 Plymouth service manual".
Posted By: cudaman1969
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/20/20 02:02 AM
I showed the book (all bodies) and the paragraph, said 440 4 speeds came with the 9-1/4 rear, Dana was EXCLUSIVELY (highlighted) for the Hemi 4 speed. So the book gave the wrong info, not enough info or was a typo. Made it sound like 440 b-bodies came with the 9-1/4 in 67 which I doubted but Chrysler did some crazy things. So I asked.
Looking up I see we’re referencing two different books.
Posted By: NITROUSN
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/20/20 05:22 PM
I believe its the interpretation. The manual references the two distinct axles. The car ordering and options would be dependent on the individual car line. The Dana 60 9/3/4 is stated exclusively for the 4 speed Hemi. I do not find the manual in error as it is a general repair for all models. It leaves the guy working on the axle the option to select what axle he is working on.
Posted By: cudaman1969
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/20/20 08:59 PM
Then the word exclusively should not of been used.
Posted By: NITROUSN
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/20/20 09:39 PM
Then the word exclusively should not of been used.
Exclusively used because the 4 speed and Hemi got it period.
Posted By: cudaman1969
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/21/20 01:22 AM
Well it’s not exclusive if the 440 4 speed GTX (b-body) got the 9-3/4 also. It implies the 4speed Hemi is the only one that gets the Dana 60 which it clearly doesn’t.
Posted By: NITROUSN
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/21/20 02:29 AM
Well it’s not exclusive if the 440 4 speed GTX (b-body) got the 9-3/4 also. It implies the 4speed Hemi is the only one that gets the Dana 60 which it clearly doesn’t.
That's part of my point. Other models may have the Dana depending on the order system. Exclusive means that this is all that is available or what you are going to get on a car ordered with the Hemi and a 4 speed no matter what model..
Posted By: 62maxwgn
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/21/20 02:49 AM
Looking thru the 67 Plymouth service manual, looking in the section on the rear axels. It says the Hemi 4 speed uses the Dana -9-3/4 but the 440 4 speed used the -9-1/4 rear. I personally have never seen one and was under the assumption the Dana was used. Would this 9-1/4 be the same as the 70-80 truck rear? I did part out a 68 and 69 440 4 speed car and both had the 9-3/4 dana. Was it a one year only thing?
Typo
Not a typo, the Dana 53 has a 9 1/4" ring gear. From the '67 C-Body manual:
The original post was about the service manual stating of a 9-1/4 Dana in a B body. yet no such animal exists
THATS a typo.
Bill,how then did I end up with the one that went in my 62 with absolutely no modifications ?
Posted By: gtx6970
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/21/20 02:58 AM
Bill,how then did I end up with the one that went in my 62 with absolutely no modifications ?
No 9-1/4" Dana was ever avail as factory installed rear axle in a B-body. Period
Posted By: cudaman1969
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/21/20 11:36 AM
I’m 99% sure in 67 the 9-3/4 was not offered in c-bodies, a-bodies. Trucks got the full floating Dana in 3/4 ton and bigger. I’d like to know the width of the c-body 35, drum to drum
Posted By: mccannix
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/21/20 01:47 PM
Width of the 67 C-body dana I removed was 61 5/8 drum to drum and is regarded as such.
I do know it was a direct fit into an E-body.
E-body dana width drum to drum is 61 3/4.
Spring perch distance center to center of both the E-body 9 3/4 dana and the C-body 9 1/4 dana is 46 " for both.
As I stated, it bolted right into an E-body
Posted By: Rhinodart
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/21/20 02:32 PM
I had a 69 Fury III 4-door 383 2-bbl as my first car and it had a Chrysler 9-1/4 rear, it was my second car. I believe that was the first use of the non-Dana 9-1/4 in a Chrysler product. Of course it blew up and I parted out the car...
Posted By: John_Kunkel
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/21/20 04:17 PM
Width of the 67 C-body dana I removed was 61 5/8 drum to drum and is regarded as such.
I do know it was a direct fit into an E-body.
E-body dana width drum to drum is 61 3/4.
Spring perch distance center to center of both the E-body 9 3/4 dana and the C-body 9 1/4 dana is 46 " for both.
As I stated, it bolted right into an E-body
But did you check the pinion angle?
The gist of this thread is that the OP cited a FSM that is not body specific. The quote from the FSM is relative to C-bodies only.
Posted By: cudaman1969
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/21/20 06:36 PM
Yep , the fsm should have said the cars had rears, engines, trans and wiring and left it at that, why do we need a service manual?
EXCLUSIVE, Webster’s definition; not shared - available to only one person or group.
Hemi engine 4 speed has 9-3/4 ONLY, so it’s wrong wording or typo or whatever you want to call it, not generic or body specific.
a-body b-body c-body has nothing to do with my point
Posted By: mccannix
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/21/20 10:43 PM
The gist of this thread is that the OP cited a FSM that is not body specific. The quote from the FSM is relative to C-bodies only.
Yep.. I know what the the gist of the thread is...I was merely answering cudaman1969's last question stating he'd
..."like to know the width of the c-body 35 drum to drum"......which I provided.
The rest is just an interesting observation regarding what the 9 1/4 C dana will bolt right into should someone ever stumble onto one.
Posted By: DoctorDiff
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/22/20 03:57 AM
I have an NOS C-body Dana 53 housing.
Posted By: cudaman1969
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/22/20 12:52 PM
I have an NOS C-body Dana 53 housing.
Cool, what else did they use the 35 in?
Posted By: DoctorDiff
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/22/20 10:53 PM
I've seen Dana 53 rears in Jeep pickups and 50's Lincolns.
Posted By: Rhinodart
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/23/20 01:06 AM
I have a Dana out of an International Scout with 5-bolt axles, is is a 60 or a 53?
Posted By: NITROUSN
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/23/20 01:24 AM
I have a Dana out of an International Scout with 5-bolt axles, is is a 60 or a 53?
DANA 44
Posted By: ruderunner
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 08/01/20 05:16 PM
Scouts used a few different Dana axles and all were 5 lug.
Could be a 27, 30 or 44. Year and engine can help determine.
Posted By: John_Kunkel
Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 08/02/20 08:35 PM
I have a Dana 44 from a Scout, has the same 30-spline on the axles as an 8 3/4".