Moparts

67 9-1/4 rear?

Posted By: cudaman1969

67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/16/20 05:13 PM

Looking thru the 67 Plymouth service manual, looking in the section on the rear axels. It says the Hemi 4 speed uses the Dana -9-3/4 but the 440 4 speed used the -9-1/4 rear. I personally have never seen one and was under the assumption the Dana was used. Would this 9-1/4 be the same as the 70-80 truck rear? I did part out a 68 and 69 440 4 speed car and both had the 9-3/4 dana. Was it a one year only thing?
Posted By: DoctorDiff

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/18/20 02:16 AM

Hemi 4-speed and 440 4-speed B-bodies came with a 9 3/4" Dana 60 rear.

440 4-speed C-bodies came with a 9 1/4" Dana 53 rear. This is not the same as the newer 9.25" Chrysler corporate rearend.
Posted By: cudaman1969

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/18/20 03:15 AM

What I thought to, from the 1967 Plymouth service manual. 67 first year for the 440 in the b-body’s right

Attached picture image.jpg
Attached picture image.jpg
Posted By: 6PakBee

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/18/20 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by DoctorDiff
440 4-speed C-bodies came with a 9 1/4" Dana 53 rear. This is not the same as the newer 9.25" Chrysler corporate rearend.


Wow, not too many of those puppies around.
Posted By: mccannix

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/18/20 03:52 PM

Factory Dana 53 that I removed from a 1967 Fury 440-4 speed

Attached picture genedana1.jpg
Attached picture genedana2.jpg
Attached picture genecar2.jpg
Posted By: gtx6970

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/18/20 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by cudaman1969
Looking thru the 67 Plymouth service manual, looking in the section on the rear axels. It says the Hemi 4 speed uses the Dana -9-3/4 but the 440 4 speed used the -9-1/4 rear. I personally have never seen one and was under the assumption the Dana was used. Would this 9-1/4 be the same as the 70-80 truck rear? I did part out a 68 and 69 440 4 speed car and both had the 9-3/4 dana. Was it a one year only thing?


Typo
Posted By: 62maxwgn

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/18/20 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by mccannix
Factory Dana 53 that I removed from a 1967 Fury 440-4 speed


Here is another one 3.31,perfect fit in a 62 B-body,no alterations what so ever.

Attached picture Picture 065.jpg
Attached picture Picture 158.jpg
Posted By: cudaman1969

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/18/20 10:49 PM

What I figured a typo, Checked today on my buddy’s 67 440 X, Dana for sure.
Posted By: John_Kunkel

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/19/20 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by gtx6970
Originally Posted by cudaman1969
Looking thru the 67 Plymouth service manual, looking in the section on the rear axels. It says the Hemi 4 speed uses the Dana -9-3/4 but the 440 4 speed used the -9-1/4 rear. I personally have never seen one and was under the assumption the Dana was used. Would this 9-1/4 be the same as the 70-80 truck rear? I did part out a 68 and 69 440 4 speed car and both had the 9-3/4 dana. Was it a one year only thing?


Typo


Not a typo, the Dana 53 has a 9 1/4" ring gear. From the '67 C-Body manual:

Attached picture Dana 53.PNG
Posted By: gtx6970

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/19/20 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by John_Kunkel
Originally Posted by gtx6970
Originally Posted by cudaman1969
Looking thru the 67 Plymouth service manual, looking in the section on the rear axels. It says the Hemi 4 speed uses the Dana -9-3/4 but the 440 4 speed used the -9-1/4 rear. I personally have never seen one and was under the assumption the Dana was used. Would this 9-1/4 be the same as the 70-80 truck rear? I did part out a 68 and 69 440 4 speed car and both had the 9-3/4 dana. Was it a one year only thing?


Typo


Not a typo, the Dana 53 has a 9 1/4" ring gear. From the '67 C-Body manual:


The original post was about the service manual stating of a 9-1/4 Dana in a B body. yet no such animal exists
THATS a typo.
Posted By: John_Kunkel

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/19/20 11:13 PM

Read the OP again, no mention of what body in either the header or the text, only says "67 Plymouth service manual".
Posted By: cudaman1969

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/20/20 02:02 AM

I showed the book (all bodies) and the paragraph, said 440 4 speeds came with the 9-1/4 rear, Dana was EXCLUSIVELY (highlighted) for the Hemi 4 speed. So the book gave the wrong info, not enough info or was a typo. Made it sound like 440 b-bodies came with the 9-1/4 in 67 which I doubted but Chrysler did some crazy things. So I asked.
Looking up I see we’re referencing two different books.
Posted By: NITROUSN

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/20/20 05:22 PM

I believe its the interpretation. The manual references the two distinct axles. The car ordering and options would be dependent on the individual car line. The Dana 60 9/3/4 is stated exclusively for the 4 speed Hemi. I do not find the manual in error as it is a general repair for all models. It leaves the guy working on the axle the option to select what axle he is working on.
Posted By: cudaman1969

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/20/20 08:59 PM

Then the word exclusively should not of been used.
Posted By: NITROUSN

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/20/20 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by cudaman1969
Then the word exclusively should not of been used.


Exclusively used because the 4 speed and Hemi got it period.
Posted By: cudaman1969

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/21/20 01:22 AM

Well it’s not exclusive if the 440 4 speed GTX (b-body) got the 9-3/4 also. It implies the 4speed Hemi is the only one that gets the Dana 60 which it clearly doesn’t.
Posted By: NITROUSN

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/21/20 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by cudaman1969
Well it’s not exclusive if the 440 4 speed GTX (b-body) got the 9-3/4 also. It implies the 4speed Hemi is the only one that gets the Dana 60 which it clearly doesn’t.


That's part of my point. Other models may have the Dana depending on the order system. Exclusive means that this is all that is available or what you are going to get on a car ordered with the Hemi and a 4 speed no matter what model..
Posted By: 62maxwgn

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/21/20 02:49 AM

Originally Posted by gtx6970
Originally Posted by John_Kunkel
Originally Posted by gtx6970
Originally Posted by cudaman1969
Looking thru the 67 Plymouth service manual, looking in the section on the rear axels. It says the Hemi 4 speed uses the Dana -9-3/4 but the 440 4 speed used the -9-1/4 rear. I personally have never seen one and was under the assumption the Dana was used. Would this 9-1/4 be the same as the 70-80 truck rear? I did part out a 68 and 69 440 4 speed car and both had the 9-3/4 dana. Was it a one year only thing?


Typo


Not a typo, the Dana 53 has a 9 1/4" ring gear. From the '67 C-Body manual:


The original post was about the service manual stating of a 9-1/4 Dana in a B body. yet no such animal exists
THATS a typo.


Bill,how then did I end up with the one that went in my 62 with absolutely no modifications ? confused
Posted By: gtx6970

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/21/20 02:58 AM

Originally Posted by 62maxwgn


Bill,how then did I end up with the one that went in my 62 with absolutely no modifications ? confused


No 9-1/4" Dana was ever avail as factory installed rear axle in a B-body. Period
Posted By: cudaman1969

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/21/20 11:36 AM

I’m 99% sure in 67 the 9-3/4 was not offered in c-bodies, a-bodies. Trucks got the full floating Dana in 3/4 ton and bigger. I’d like to know the width of the c-body 35, drum to drum
Posted By: mccannix

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/21/20 01:47 PM

Width of the 67 C-body dana I removed was 61 5/8 drum to drum and is regarded as such.
I do know it was a direct fit into an E-body.
E-body dana width drum to drum is 61 3/4.
Spring perch distance center to center of both the E-body 9 3/4 dana and the C-body 9 1/4 dana is 46 " for both.
As I stated, it bolted right into an E-body
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/21/20 02:32 PM

I had a 69 Fury III 4-door 383 2-bbl as my first car and it had a Chrysler 9-1/4 rear, it was my second car. I believe that was the first use of the non-Dana 9-1/4 in a Chrysler product. Of course it blew up and I parted out the car...
Posted By: John_Kunkel

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/21/20 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by mccannix
Width of the 67 C-body dana I removed was 61 5/8 drum to drum and is regarded as such.
I do know it was a direct fit into an E-body.
E-body dana width drum to drum is 61 3/4.
Spring perch distance center to center of both the E-body 9 3/4 dana and the C-body 9 1/4 dana is 46 " for both.
As I stated, it bolted right into an E-body


But did you check the pinion angle?

The gist of this thread is that the OP cited a FSM that is not body specific. The quote from the FSM is relative to C-bodies only.
Posted By: cudaman1969

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/21/20 06:36 PM

Yep , the fsm should have said the cars had rears, engines, trans and wiring and left it at that, why do we need a service manual?
EXCLUSIVE, Webster’s definition; not shared - available to only one person or group.
Hemi engine 4 speed has 9-3/4 ONLY, so it’s wrong wording or typo or whatever you want to call it, not generic or body specific.
a-body b-body c-body has nothing to do with my point
Posted By: mccannix

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/21/20 10:43 PM

Quote
The gist of this thread is that the OP cited a FSM that is not body specific. The quote from the FSM is relative to C-bodies only.


Yep.. I know what the the gist of the thread is...I was merely answering cudaman1969's last question stating he'd
..."like to know the width of the c-body 35 drum to drum"......which I provided.
The rest is just an interesting observation regarding what the 9 1/4 C dana will bolt right into should someone ever stumble onto one.


Posted By: DoctorDiff

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/22/20 03:57 AM

I have an NOS C-body Dana 53 housing.
Posted By: cudaman1969

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/22/20 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by DoctorDiff
I have an NOS C-body Dana 53 housing.

Cool, what else did they use the 35 in?
Posted By: DoctorDiff

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/22/20 10:53 PM

I've seen Dana 53 rears in Jeep pickups and 50's Lincolns.
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/23/20 01:06 AM

I have a Dana out of an International Scout with 5-bolt axles, is is a 60 or a 53? shruggy
Posted By: NITROUSN

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 07/23/20 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by Rhinodart
I have a Dana out of an International Scout with 5-bolt axles, is is a 60 or a 53? shruggy


DANA 44
Posted By: ruderunner

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 08/01/20 05:16 PM

Scouts used a few different Dana axles and all were 5 lug.

Could be a 27, 30 or 44. Year and engine can help determine.
Posted By: John_Kunkel

Re: 67 9-1/4 rear? - 08/02/20 08:35 PM

I have a Dana 44 from a Scout, has the same 30-spline on the axles as an 8 3/4".
© 2024 Moparts Forums