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bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints

Posted By: mopars4ever

bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/15/19 09:45 PM

Which way do you bend the cotter pins on a tie rod end and ball joints? I am wanting going to duplicate the way it came from the factory in the mid 70`s. thanks
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/15/19 09:52 PM

Take photos before it all comes apart & then replicate what you found at each location.

No two will ever be exactly the same in every single detail.
Posted By: VCODE

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/15/19 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by mopars4ever
Which way do you bend the cotter pins on a tie rod end and ball joints? I am wanting going to duplicate the way it came from the factory in the mid 70`s. thanks


The best picture of lower ball joint on a 1970 Challenger R/T. As Barry said not all the same. Although I don't think I would copy that one.
Bob

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Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/15/19 10:10 PM

The ones on the car had been replaced at one time or another so pics wouldn`t have helped me on this car. Also the factory service manual says not to line up the slot on the tie rod adjusting sleeve with the clamp opening. Does it really matter?
Posted By: Paul Jacobs

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/15/19 10:34 PM

I’m not home right now but have lots of original pictures I’ll try to post tomorrow. I can tell you they vary some.
Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/15/19 11:04 PM

Ok, thanks
Posted By: NANKET

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/16/19 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by mopars4ever
The ones on the car had been replaced at one time or another so pics wouldn`t have helped me on this car. Also the factory service manual says not to line up the slot on the tie rod adjusting sleeve with the clamp opening. Does it really matter?


Yes it really matters.
Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/16/19 02:41 AM

Does it reduce the clamping force?
Posted By: PhillyRag

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/17/19 05:07 AM

Originally Posted by mopars4ever
Which way do you bend the cotter pins on a tie rod end and ball joints? I am wanting going to duplicate the way it came from the factory in the mid 70`s. thanks

You definitely need that "special" tool that I'm sure the workers used to get that "factory correct bend" in those pins.
Posted By: 62maxwgn

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/17/19 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by PhillyRag
Originally Posted by mopars4ever
Which way do you bend the cotter pins on a tie rod end and ball joints? I am wanting going to duplicate the way it came from the factory in the mid 70`s. thanks

You definitely need that "special" tool that I'm sure the workers used to get that "factory correct bend" in those pins.


Personally,worrying about how a cotter pin is bent is going a little far but that's just me !! twocents
Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/17/19 05:39 PM

I found this. http://4doorcuda.com/blog/?p=1411
Posted By: John_Kunkel

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/17/19 05:48 PM

Most factory installations are "meat rippers", when the ends are bent and exposed they can draw blood. I prefer this way:

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Posted By: BloFish

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/17/19 10:20 PM

Very tidy, I like it.
Posted By: Paul Jacobs

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/17/19 10:42 PM

Here is what you will find in 90% of original cars. I looked through dozens of front end pictures today and this is all I found and it makes perfect sense because it would be the quickest way to do the job.

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Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/17/19 10:45 PM

Thanks for the research.
Posted By: A12

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/18/19 12:16 AM

I heard a long time ago that the cotter pins were bent with a HAMMER....yep put them in and smack them with a hammer......next hammer Can you think of any quicker way and less effort than that? '69 had 84,000+ Road Runners alone if each car had only ONE COTTER PIN to bend why would you waste time with any other tool or method?
Posted By: 71GTX471

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/21/19 12:08 AM

To many variables for one correct answer, it depends on where the hole in the component ended up the position of the pin installer & whom he was the tool in his hand ETC ETC, for the most part they did what ever was quickest & whacked it over in the direction that was easiest at any given component/position & it wasn't supposed to look pretty, just do the same for your car.
Posted By: mopardude318

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/21/19 05:49 AM

the way john kunkel did it is very neat and tidy. id do it just like that.
Posted By: NANKET

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/21/19 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by mopardude318
the way john kunkel did it is very neat and tidy. id do it just like that.


The original question is how to do it like the factory. So the answer is quickly. Workers perform tasks differently so which way is correct? Follow Paul Jacobs photo here. Meat ripper is appropriate and dangerous.

They way John did it is ridiculously anal. And impossible. The top tang is hanging over the edge spindle nut, can’t do that on final assembly. But it does look tidy.
Posted By: John_Kunkel

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/21/19 08:08 PM

So, "correct" becomes "anal". Noted.

BTW, it's not impossible, I routinely do it on front suspension components that are the subject of this thread.
Posted By: Little Detroit

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/21/19 08:45 PM


I really can't believe I wasted my time reading this thread, but I'll say it's darn entraining to say the least ,that so many do not have anything more constructive to do than try to make a mountain out of a mole hill. but then again I read it.
Posted By: A12

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/22/19 03:03 AM

Originally Posted by Little Detroit

I really can't believe I wasted my time reading this thread, but I'll say it's darn entraining to say the least ,that so many do not have anything more constructive to do than try to make a mountain out of a mole hill. but then again I read it.


Yeah and it was your 426 HEMI numbered post too, something you can remember positively about a wasted post read. laugh2

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Posted By: PhillyRag

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/22/19 05:04 AM

[quote=Little Detroit]
I really can't believe I wasted my time reading this thread, but I'll say it's darn entraining to say the least ,that so many do not have anything more constructive to do than try to make a mountain out of a mole hill. but then again I read it. [/quote

I'd say it was quick&sloppy. Same manner in which bumpers/doors/paint/etc were done back then. Geez: unless Chrysler actually had training on this or a written procedure. Sounds like it belongs in a Corvette forum.
Posted By: Little Detroit

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/22/19 12:29 PM


thank you philly rag , pretty much the point I was sarcastically trying to point out. you would think common sense would come into play somewhere.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/22/19 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by John_Kunkel
So, "correct" becomes "anal". Noted.

BTW, it's not impossible, I routinely do it on front suspension components that are the subject of this thread.


He asked about this part;

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the way it came from the factory in the mid 70`s


So are you are running a 1970's era factory in 2019 or just misreading the question?
Posted By: John_Kunkel

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/23/19 03:40 PM

I understood the original question but merely commented on, what I consider, to be silliness. One strives to be "original" by installing cotter pins willy-nilly but has the chrome/paint redone to modern show standards.
Posted By: PhillyRag

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/24/19 02:26 AM

Originally Posted by John_Kunkel
I understood the original question but merely commented on, what I consider, to be silliness. One strives to be "original" by installing cotter pins willy-nilly but has the chrome/paint redone to modern show standards.
.

Where's "ROCK" these days? I want him to Sign my wheel well so that it's "factory line correct".
Maybe he still has the pencil he used back then.
Will that suffice?
I'm 99.99999% there.
Approaching the far outer reaches towards madness..
Posted By: 62maxwgn

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/24/19 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by PhillyRag
Originally Posted by John_Kunkel
I understood the original question but merely commented on, what I consider, to be silliness. One strives to be "original" by installing cotter pins willy-nilly but has the chrome/paint redone to modern show standards.
.

Where's "ROCK" these days? I want him to Sign my wheel well so that it's "factory line correct".
Maybe he still has the pencil he used back then.
Will that suffice?
I'm 99.99999% there.
Approaching the far outer reaches towards madness..


Don't forget your little black Dill valve stem caps or you're still not done !
Posted By: moparpro

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/24/19 01:25 PM

anyone know the size of the factory cotter pins i need to buy some. thanks
Posted By: moparx

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/24/19 01:46 PM

all kidding aside, i once thought corvette dudes were fanatics when it came to restorations, but we have them beat by a country mile !
good or bad, our restorations are tons better. up
now where is my tank of NOS tire air ? i know it's here somewhere......... shruggy
beer
Posted By: 62maxwgn

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/24/19 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by moparpro
anyone know the size of the factory cotter pins i need to buy some. thanks


Better be careful,90 % of cotter pins are made in china ! eek
Posted By: BloFish

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/24/19 03:14 PM

My vote for thread of the year!
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/24/19 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by BloFish
My vote for thread of the year!

laugh2 I just bend it back over the stud/bolt/spindle/whatever then cut the protruding meat ripper off flush with the nut. It ain't brain surgery.
Posted By: 76orangewagon

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/24/19 04:18 PM

I'm going to assume that you (Mopars4ever) purchased or have the correct 3 prong castle nuts to use on your suspension components, its kind of pointless getting the cotter pin details correct if your using the wrong 6 prong castle nuts that come with all the aftermarket ball joints, tie rod ends, ect...
Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/24/19 06:14 PM

76 Yes, i do. NOS upper and lower arms. NOS idler and pitman arms. NOS torsion bar end bushing. Just got a NOS upper ball joint boot 2269127 that was missing from a member here. So it`s not pointless to me but maybe to most. Honestly, I really don`t care if someone feels its trivial or not. Some people feel a need to express their way of thinking all the time around here. I feel it`s trivia when someone needs to express what they feel is trivial or not. Why do they waste their time? Dunno??? I`m getting some good info even with all the ones trying to ruin someones post. Some are proud of their work and some are proud of how their mouth works.

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Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/24/19 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by 62maxwgn
Originally Posted by moparpro
anyone know the size of the factory cotter pins i need to buy some. thanks


Better be careful,90 % of cotter pins are made in china ! eek
I have a box of NOS mopar pins. I`m not sure of the size. I will have to check. Update: These are the ones I have. Are these correct? If you need some and they will work for you let me know.

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Posted By: A12

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/24/19 09:02 PM

OMG The answer to the question is right there on the cotter pin box; HAMMERLOCK !!! hammer
Posted By: 4406bbl

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/25/19 12:33 AM

The green box of pins are not NOS, those were sold at mopar parts stores and are relabeled pik-a-nut, originals are shorter, and do not have the bend at the end. The wrench rounding them off sure seems to make them look right. The little stuff matters on a restoration in my opinion, Johns way is better, but would stick out like a sore thumb on a restoration. When I pulled my superbird apart you could tell the idler arm was changed, correct mopar part, but wrong pin installed nicely, it stuck out. I would install the pins right and nice on everything except a restoration. Believe me, if you install the pins nicely on a car with all the proper colors, boots and plating, the mopar vin crowd would point out your "mistake". You can't win.
Posted By: 4406bbl

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/25/19 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by 4406bbl
The green box of pins are not NOS, those were sold at mopar parts stores and are relabeled pik-a-nut, originals are shorter, and do not have the bend at the end. The wrench rounding them off sure seems to make them look right. The little stuff matters on a restoration in my opinion, Johns way is better, but would stick out like a sore thumb on a restoration. When I pulled my superbird apart you could tell the idler arm was changed, correct mopar part, but wrong pin installed nicely, it stuck out. I would install the pins right and nice on everything except a restoration. Believe me, if you install the pins nicely on a car with all the proper colors, boots and plating, the mopar vin crowd would point out your "mistake". You can't win.


Made a mistake here, I should have said those pins are not assembly line correct, they could well be NOS.
Posted By: Paul Jacobs

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/25/19 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by mopars4ever
76 Yes, i do. NOS upper and lower arms. NOS idler and pitman arms. NOS torsion bar end bushing. Just got a NOS upper ball joint boot 2269127 that was missing from a member here. So it`s not pointless to me but maybe to most. Honestly, I really don`t care if someone feels its trivial or not. Some people feel a need to express their way of thinking all the time around here. I feel it`s trivia when someone needs to express what they feel is trivial or not. Why do they waste their time? Dunno??? I`m getting some good info even with all the ones trying to ruin someones post. Some are proud of their work and some are proud of how their mouth works.


Don’t ever let someone’s opinion stop you from getting the details right- I’m doing another OE restoration right now (#7) and am fanatical about the way it’s going- but in the end it’s my car and satisfies me and that’s all that matters...
Posted By: A12

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/25/19 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Paul Jacobs
Originally Posted by mopars4ever
76 Yes, i do. NOS upper and lower arms. NOS idler and pitman arms. NOS torsion bar end bushing. Just got a NOS upper ball joint boot 2269127 that was missing from a member here. So it`s not pointless to me but maybe to most. Honestly, I really don`t care if someone feels its trivial or not. Some people feel a need to express their way of thinking all the time around here. I feel it`s trivia when someone needs to express what they feel is trivial or not. Why do they waste their time? Dunno??? I`m getting some good info even with all the ones trying to ruin someones post. Some are proud of their work and some are proud of how their mouth works.


Don’t ever let someone’s opinion stop you from getting the details right- I’m doing another OE restoration right now (#7) and am fanatical about the way it’s going- but in the end it’s my car and satisfies me and that’s all that matters...


bow up up Paul.

Some seem to forget that this particular Moparts forum was actually a spin off of the Moparts A12 forum with a very ANAL group of members that discussed things that were considered trivial at the time like wing nuts, painted or unpainted Lynch Road fender tags versus bent, one screw painted other assembly, the correct oval air cleaner screen holes, paint and inspection markings, correct hose markings and date codes, you name it, nothing was off limits. This forum spent probably fifty plus pages discussing the correct paint formula for organisol black and that thread still comes up more than a decade later. Bending cotter pins would have been a PERFECT subject for a thread back in those days for the Anal Dozen (A12 wink ) and yes it still matters to some of us as to how it was or "might" have been done. If things like this don't matter to you or anyone then just head off to the hardware store or your local auto parts store and just buy replacement fasteners and parts to restore your Mopar and stop buying reproduction parts from vendors. I think the next time I need a radiator hose, one of those corrugated hoses will do just fine and I'll be sure to use those convenient screw type hose clamps for that day-2 look. It matters to some and should matter most in this Moparts Restoration and A12 Forum how the original production cotter pins were bent..........if it doesn't then, well then this thread or forum is not for you I guess.

MikeR
Posted By: A12

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/25/19 09:40 AM

Maybe these couple of assembly line photos will help to at least determine if (some) of the assembly line cotter pins were neatly bent using engineering standards (which some pre-assembled components may have been done off of the assembly line?) or if some of the cotter pins were just slipped in and tapped with a hammer or tool? I'm thinking the worker that used the pneumatic air gun (in the photo) to install the ball joints etc. was the same worker that may have inserted the cotter pin otherwise if the castle nut didn't align with the ball joint hole the next worker would have to have an equally powerful air gun or long lever wrench to align it. Don't know how many times we all have had to do that eh? So now the worker with the air gun tightens the castle nut, slips in the cotter pin and taps it with the socket end of the air gun and moves on......that's my bs assumption and you know what they say about assumptions wink

Edit: Looking at the assembly line photos there seems to me to be only two cotter pins that need to be installed at this point; the two upper "A" arm ball joints, most or all of the other cotter pins should have already been installed off of the assembly line where the entire drive line was assembled??? To answer the original question you would have to reference those two cotter pins IMO. Then compare the other cotter pin locations and see if they follow a different pattern. All cotter pin bending were therefore not done the same way in my opinion now again only my opinion.

(BTW that's one heck of a pneumatic tool being used to tighten what looks like the K-frame bolts, no wonder they are always a pia to get out laugh2 )


MikeR

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Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/25/19 11:22 AM

Thanks for the info, help and advice. It is good know there is still many good guys out there willing to help.
Posted By: cbusters

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/25/19 12:52 PM

With any component on a car project, some want to do it the best they can and others do it the best they can.
Posted By: A12

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/25/19 05:46 PM

You're welcome, some of us forget that to most of us this is a hobby. Some of us build models and just glue the parts together and some of us get into the most detailed creations that yes are considered insane but we stand back and say wow with respect to the detailer.

Back to bending cotter pins: Here are some photos of a 5600 mile survivor A12 bee's suspension, steering and K-frame with what looks like Ziebart rust prevention. Some of the cotter pins look to have been just tap bent and some folded. Just some examples to look at.

There are also a few things that I never noticed before and that is the lower radiator hose sure looks like one of the workers in the pit put that on from underneath with the direction of the clamp. scope

Also I always wondered why the K-frame had two holes that were not at the lowest point of the K-frame to what I would think would be for draining water or snow, etc., and also why they were stamped and had a lip on the inside that would keep some of it from draining?? Then I see the assembly line K-frame fixture and wonder if those two holes are for that fixture? hmmmmmm. Another thought came to mind, that it also seemed like a perfect time to stamp a date code onto the front of the K-frame because those assembly line workers know exactly what day it is and what shift they are working and that date and shift code would tell just exactly which team of workers married the ENTIRE driveline to the body. that date code covered a lot of assembly if it was used for that and it just happens to be one of the places where they placed an assembly line broadcast sheet.

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Posted By: A12

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/25/19 05:51 PM

2 The drag link passenger's side seems to have been done with both cotter pin tabs bent around the castle nut in opposite directions?

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Posted By: VCODE

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/25/19 08:37 PM

A12, it looks like you had a pretty good engine setup. You got all D's
Oh buy the way those cotter pins look great.
That's how I do mine, just bend them over a little and hit them with a small hammer.
And look no paint on oil pan bottom like most got or did not get.
Thanks Bob
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/25/19 08:48 PM

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Another thought came to mind, that it also seemed like a perfect time to stamp a date code onto the front of the K-frame because those assembly line workers know exactly what day it is and what shift they are working and that date and shift code would tell just exactly which team of workers married the ENTIRE driveline to the body.


The K-frames were stamped on the day they were completed like every other date coded part / assembly if that helps at all?

Like any part or assembly, completion was required before going into a car.
Posted By: PhillyRag

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/26/19 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by BloFish
My vote for thread of the year!

No really. But my "take" on this is "Where/When does it all end?"
Or does it really?
It's very nice.interesting to have/acquire/view this archival info.
Those old factory pics are fascinating.

But if the "Hobby" comes to any final type of consensus of "proper" cotter pin bending;
are all owners of "restored" suppose to redo theirs? Then what's next?
Establishing "Degrees-Of-Slopiness" to mimic factory correctness.

Hey: More power to those whom endeavor to engage in the "correctness arena".
Is there a "Light" at the end of the tunnel?
Or is it the ever expanding universe: where there IS no end!
Posted By: A12

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/26/19 09:18 AM

Hopefully it will never end. I think for the most part threads like this will never really determine how it was done exactly for ALL of the vehicles produced, like in this case for example. It may establish an example how some or a lot were done but this is only one example of a B-body at one assembly plant for one model year that made more than a hundred thousand examples, At best what can be established is how most likely it was NOT done. We are pretty sure how they were not done by these examples: 1, we know they were not done without a cotter pin ;), 2 We know most were not done bent or folded neatly or engineering style, 3, We know they were not safety wired like aircraft nuts and bolts or had Loctite on them (I know silly, and obvious). There's probably more examples of how they were not done and that's probably the best information that comes out of threads like this and why they hopefully go on forever. When I did my '68 Road Runner's front suspension years ago I neatly and somewhat engineering style bent and folded all (10?) of the cotter pins, next time I'll do them differently but I'm not going to lose sleep over the RR's cotter pins. But I'll know now or in the future if someone is trying to pass off an "untouched" survivor and asking big bucks for it and the cotter pins are nicely done then tsk wink
Posted By: Paul Jacobs

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/26/19 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by PhillyRag
Originally Posted by BloFish
My vote for thread of the year!

No really. But my "take" on this is "Where/When does it all end?"
Or does it really?
It's very nice.interesting to have/acquire/view this archival info.
Those old factory pics are fascinating.

But if the "Hobby" comes to any final type of consensus of "proper" cotter pin bending;
are all owners of "restored" suppose to redo theirs? Then what's next?
Establishing "Degrees-Of-Slopiness" to mimic factory correctness.

Hey: More power to those whom endeavor to engage in the "correctness arena".
Is there a "Light" at the end of the tunnel?
Or is it the ever expanding universe: where there IS no end!


Good points!

I’ve been doing this since I was 14 and it’s been both a hobby and a job for me as I ran a resto shop for 15 years. I have thousands of original photos of original cars I’ve documented over the years but I never stop learning so no-there IS no end- as you said.
I don’t run my shop full time like I used to, but am doing an OE restoration on a unique car that belongs to my dad. For this car I’m striving to get all the details right as a challenge to myself and to continue a tradition of excellence for those that appreciate it. There will be factory flaws, all dated parts, visible primer lines, factory brown grease in the suspension joints, tons of nos assembly line parts-even nos tires I just acquired-because that’s the way it’s supposed to be. In the end it will make it more valuable knowing what’s been invested.

On the other hand I’m building a pro touring charger for myself that breaks all the rules so that’s my relief from the exhaustion of an OE car.
Posted By: MOPARMIKE69

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/26/19 01:46 PM

I love that you are doing your Dad's car O.E. Paul. Tell him I said Hey! No it never ends and yes you never quit learning. It has been and always will be fun to me to get into these details this deep. Thanks again Paul for all the correct knowledge you have shared with me and others!

All the comments from the peanut gallery that do not help the question at hand is the main reason I no longer get into these threads anymore. I am sure that is also why the serious A12 guys left this forum and started their own. It is really sad that people in this hobby want to put down others who love these cars but choose a different way to enjoy them.

Whether you want to just drive them, or restore them, or race them, or trailer them, we are all on the same team. The save these Mopar's team.
Thanks to all in this hobby who care about these cars and want everyone to enjoy them however they see fit.

And by the way, this forum is called Moparts Restoration & A12 Forum. Why wouldn't we be discussing how they bent cotter pins at the factory!!!!!!
Posted By: mopargem

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/27/19 02:34 AM

Well said MOPARMIKE69 thumbs my thoughts exactly.
Posted By: PhillyRag

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/27/19 05:46 AM

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Why wouldn't we be discussing how they bent cotter pins at the factory!!!!!!
[quote][/quote]

Certainly should: for those whom feel it's worthwhile.
For a laugh: did One worker do Both sides of the car, or One on each side?
Could LS/RS be bend differently then.
Guess gotta stay tuned for the Next Chapter.
When & If it ever gets published.
Still enjoy those Old Pics
Keep them coming.
Posted By: John_Kunkel

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/27/19 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by MOPARMIKE69


And by the way, this forum is called Moparts Restoration & A12 Forum. Why wouldn't we be discussing how they bent cotter pins at the factory!!!!!!


So, the bottom line is "let's see how sloppily we can throw a car together"? A good hangover and problems at home add to the authenticity.
Posted By: moparx

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/27/19 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by MOPARMIKE69
I love that you are doing your Dad's car O.E. Paul. Tell him I said Hey! No it never ends and yes you never quit learning. It has been and always will be fun to me to get into these details this deep. Thanks again Paul for all the correct knowledge you have shared with me and others!

All the comments from the peanut gallery that do not help the question at hand is the main reason I no longer get into these threads anymore. I am sure that is also why the serious A12 guys left this forum and started their own. It is really sad that people in this hobby want to put down others who love these cars but choose a different way to enjoy them.

Whether you want to just drive them, or restore them, or race them, or trailer them, we are all on the same team. The save these Mopar's team.
Thanks to all in this hobby who care about these cars and want everyone to enjoy them however they see fit.

And by the way, this forum is called Moparts Restoration & A12 Forum. Why wouldn't we be discussing how they bent cotter pins at the factory!!!!!!


hopefully, my comment comparing the corvette restorers vs the mopar restorers, was not taken the wrong way, but it very possibly was.
i LOVE to learn, and threads such as this are GREATLY appreciated ! i am GLAD our community is so anal about the way the factory did things, i'm saying we are BETTER at restorations than the corvette crowd.
if i ruffled some feathers, please accept my apology. i am truly sorry. i did not mean my comment to come across as it may have.
beer
Posted By: Paul Jacobs

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/27/19 09:07 PM

I didn’t take it that way brother it’s all good!!!
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/27/19 09:46 PM

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So, the bottom line is "let's see how sloppily we can throw a car together"? A good hangover and problems at home add to the authenticity.


How you do your car is up to you.

Some people here want to put their car back to 'as built' as closely as possible.

That is why this forum exists. up

These cars were built fast, thousands a day at times. Hangovers & any problems at home - no time for those on the lines, they had to deal with it or stay home.

A great in plant video at https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=b6L0ykX9lPU
Posted By: 5carguy

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/27/19 10:11 PM

That plant video was really interesting.Thanks for the vid.
Posted By: mopargem

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/28/19 02:55 AM

Thank you Barry, I really enjoyed that plant video. Well worth watching, it made my night LOL. Makes me realize we have been smart in mass manufacturing for a long time and I know it goes back much further into the teens.
Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/28/19 02:40 PM

Since this thread is still going along does anyone know why my service manual says not to line up the groove in the tie rod tube with the clamp opening? It looks like the one pic A12 has posted the tube is that way.
Posted By: John_Kunkel

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/28/19 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Alaskan_TA

How you do your car is up to you.

Some people here want to put their car back to 'as built' as closely as possible.



But, as A12's pics show, "as built" differs. There might even have been a plant worker who did it correctly rather than quickly.
Posted By: PhillyRag

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/29/19 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by mopars4ever
Since this thread is still going along does anyone know why my service manual says not to line up the groove in the tie rod tube with the clamp opening? It looks like the one pic A12 has posted the tube is that way.


I've often pondered that also. Best logic I see is that the bolts threads could bind, or get marred, on the edge of the slit.
Posted By: 71GTX471

Re: bending cotter pins on tie rod ends and ball joints - 08/29/19 11:18 PM

As fare as the cotter pins go based on what I remember of originals & the pics A12 provided they look to have a slightly pointed round head & equal length legs,not the P head type with unequal length legs & the starter bend at the end of the long leg like the later day NOS replacement ones pictured.
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