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E-body weights please!

Posted By: Anonymous

E-body weights please! - 02/05/09 07:12 PM

This has to do with another thread discussing the weights/perfomance of a couple of cars.

I'm curious, how many here have actually weighed their stock 'Cuda/Challengers?

There's a mis-conception that these cars weigh almost as much as a B-body when, in fact, my experience has been that they're lighter than a lot of A-bodies!

Please post your actual (not guesstimated!) weights!

'71 Cuda with A/C, P/S, Console, Buckets, full undercoat = 3,260 lbs.

Same car with 440 a/c compressor removed = 3,440 lbs.
Posted By: Todd_DesMarais

Re: E-body weights please! - 02/05/09 10:33 PM

GY3.... look at your numbers, they don't add right

My '74 cuda with a 400/727, 8 3/4, no a/c, no spare, no carpet or back seat was 3410 on Milan Dragway's crappy scale. the Title says 3210 w/sb, a/t, a/c, ps, pb, so.......... ?
Posted By: scatpacktom

Re: E-body weights please! - 02/05/09 10:44 PM

At 3260 I think you need to double check that against another scale.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: E-body weights please! - 02/05/09 11:02 PM

Quote:

GY3.... look at your numbers, they don't add right




Why not?

SB = 3260
BB = 3440

What doesn't add up about that?!

They were both done at the local grain elevator and my truck has been on multiple elevator scales and weighed the same.

180 lbs diff with 150 being the BB and 30 or so being the 904 to 727?
Posted By: floorit426

Re: E-body weights please! - 02/06/09 12:12 AM


I think the difference between the two is accurate, but my experience (for what it's worth), is that both are about 200lbs. heavier than that.
Posted By: sixpackgut

Re: E-body weights please! - 02/06/09 12:26 AM

every street challenger and cuda in the race forum weighs over 3750!!! 3400 no way

weight now in my sig because i've been killing myself to make it lighter
Posted By: 5spdcuda

Re: E-body weights please! - 02/06/09 12:27 AM

3500lbs with 1/2 tank of gas. Small block with aluminum heads & intake. TTI headers, power steering, stock three row radiator. 8 3/4 rear end. No AC. 5- speed Tremec, supposed to be about 25 lbs. lighter than 833 4- speed. The bucket seats aren't stock, but they are similar in weight. Car was weighed on a grain scale certified accurate to +or- 20 lbs. FWIW my old '74 Duster after significant dieting came in at 3380lbs. on the same scale with the same fuel load. Both weights are minus driver.
Posted By: scatpacktom

Re: E-body weights please! - 02/06/09 12:47 AM

FWIW The T/A in my sig weighs 3250.Has heater delete,radio delete,alum 4 speed,alum flywheel and pressure plate,man disc brakes,man steering,spool among other little "things".

Also I have a 72 340 Cuda that weighs 3570.It is a completly stock car.Undercoated,PS,man drum brakes,torqueflite,console,22 inch rad
Posted By: 5spdcuda

Re: E-body weights please! - 02/06/09 01:09 AM

I understand about "little things". I did quite a few to my Duster to get the weight down, nothing readily visible, but I still took at least 150 lbs. if not more out of it. Keep in mind my cars are four season cars that get driven regularly except for ice,snow and generally rotten weather, so heaters, windshield wipers etc. are necessary. I don't need a stereo [engine sounds pretty good going up or down the gears ], but I have one anyway. I also forgot to mention that both cars had frame connectors. All things considered I think my weights are pretty representative of what a person could expect from these cars in a truly streetable condition.
Obviously if you get serious a lot more weight can be removed. A friend of mine got over 500lbs. out of his '72 Road Runner.
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: E-body weights please! - 02/06/09 01:18 AM

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I understand about "little things". I did quite a few to my Duster to get the weight down, nothing readily visible, but I still took at least 150 lbs. if not more out of it. Keep in mind my cars are four season cars that get driven regularly except for ice,snow and generally rotten weather, so heaters, windshield wipers etc. are necessary. I don't need a stereo [engine sounds pretty good going up or down the gears ], but I have one anyway. I also forgot to mention that both cars had frame connectors. All things considered I think my weights are pretty representative of what a person could expect from these cars in a truly streetable condition.
Obviously if you get serious a lot more weight can be removed. A friend of mine got over 500lbs. out of his '72 Road Runner.




I don't doubt the accuracy of your number but your car sounds heavy compared to
1970 Barracuda (Cuda Clone)
440 W/Iron heads
Aluminum intake
26 inch mopar rad
manual steering
manual drum brakes
Aluminum (Centerline wheels)
No sway bar
Frame connectors
8.75 rear
727 TF
No fiberglass
1/2 tank gas
No driver

Weighed on certified +/- 10 pound scale 3450
Posted By: RUNCHARGER

Re: E-body weights please! - 02/06/09 01:40 AM

70 Challenger, 426 Hemi, shaker, automatic, Dana 60, factory rear spoiler, 15X7 rallye wheels, factory AM8trk, headers, stock exhaust, no bondo 3830lbs with half tank of fuel.
On the very same scale my 67 GTX 440 automatic weighed 3700lbs, my 68 340S, 4 speed, M.B. M.S. was 3000lbs.

Sheldon
Posted By: 5spdcuda

Re: E-body weights please! - 02/06/09 03:14 AM

No question about it, my car is heavier than I would like it to be. That's just the way it is. Obviously a big block with iron heads is a good deal heavier than a small block with aluminum heads and intake. So where's the difference? Well here are a few possibilities. Power steering vs. manual; big difference. Disc brakes with 11.75 rotors vs. drums; some difference. 1.25 front anti-roll bar vs. none; it matters. Not all 26 in. radiators are the same. My Duster had a two row 26 in. radiator that was much lighter than the 26 in. three row in the 'Cuda. I thought about using the two row, but this was my first experience running aluminum heads on an iron block and I could just see getting stuck in traffic on a 100* day, so I chickened out and went with the three row. Last I am not sure just when they started putting door guard beams in the doors, but I definitely have them and the doors are heavy. Maybe somebody else has some ideas. All I can say is that in my experience "E" bodies weigh more than late '60s "A" bodies. About the same as late '60s "B" bodies, and less than '71 up "B" bodies. This of course assumes comparing cars with similar options.
Posted By: 340SIX

Re: E-body weights please! - 02/06/09 03:42 AM

Whats a small block convertable weigh in at 4000?
Posted By: Todd_DesMarais

Re: E-body weights please! - 02/06/09 01:44 PM

Quote:

Quote:

GY3.... look at your numbers, they don't add right




Why not?

SB = 3260
BB = 3440

What doesn't add up about that?!

They were both done at the local grain elevator and my truck has been on multiple elevator scales and weighed the same.

180 lbs diff with 150 being the BB and 30 or so being the 904 to 727?




Your first post doesn't say that the '71 is a SB. it makes a little more sense now that you clarified that.
Posted By: toplescuda

Re: E-body weights please! - 02/06/09 03:20 PM

i had both of my 70 cudas weighed on same scale
#1 1970 barracuda convertable 383 auto with air compleatly stock 1/4 tank of gas was 3660 with out my big butt in it
#2pro street(1970 cuda) car back halfed 4 link,
cell 8 point cage 2 nos bottles, alum back floor/trunk/wheel tubbs, 15x15 pro stars,plastic seats, fiberglass fenders,header panel,valance,340/auto,manual steer/brakes,fiberglass hood weighed 3,000 lbs with 6 gal of fuel and me not in it
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: E-body weights please! - 02/06/09 03:57 PM

Quote:

Weighed on certified +/- 10 pound scale 3450




Mine was almost identical in equipment save for cast iron intake and no subframe connectors (probably cancel each other out). Oh yeah, added P/S to boot.

Quote:

every street challenger and cuda in the race forum weighs over 3750!!! 3400 no way




Most of them have a cage and subframe connectors as well. That adds at least +/- 150?

My experience has always been that Challengers will be heavier as well. I don't really know why either.
Posted By: DPelletier

Re: E-body weights please! - 02/06/09 04:17 PM

Thanks for posting this. I don't know if we're all that much closer to a definative answer, but it IS interesting.

I'm thinking that the discrepancies are to do with options, modifications AND different scales. I'm gonna weigh my Super Bee and my Cuda on certified CAT scales in the spring.

Dave
Posted By: DPelletier

Re: E-body weights please! - 02/06/09 04:23 PM

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FWIW The T/A in my sig weighs 3250.Has heater delete,radio delete,alum 4 speed,alum flywheel and pressure plate,man disc brakes,man steering,spool among other little "things".

Also I have a 72 340 Cuda that weighs 3570.It is a completly stock car.Undercoated,PS,man drum brakes,torqueflite,console,22 inch rad




I have to agree that it's pretty hard to believe that GY3's undercoated A/C car could be 3260. I'm NOT questioning anybodies honesty, but I think the scale was probably off.

Cheers,
Dave
Posted By: 5spdcuda

Re: E-body weights please! - 02/06/09 04:35 PM

Everything else being equal a Challenger should weigh more than a Barracuda since they have two inches more wheelbase. FWIW I think this also gives them a little better weight distribution. Of course on a real race car overall weight and weight distribution can vary considerably from production.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: E-body weights please! - 02/06/09 05:15 PM

Quote:

but I think the scale was probably off.




The car was weighed (in smallblock form) in Newton, KS for the 3260 at the grain elevator and (in BB form) in Valley Center, KS at the grain elevator.

The difference of 180 lbs. is right on from what I've seen from other cars going from SB/904 to BB/727.
Posted By: 420duster

Re: E-body weights please! - 02/07/09 12:31 AM

Ok everybody, my 74 cuda ,2nd owner survivor, 318 3 speed,rally dash,no a/c,radio delete,power steering,power disc brakes,323 open rear, console, bucket seats,undercoat car (P.A.)was 3290 as per grain scale.The only thing I did was put 2.5 inch dual exhaust in it.FWIW
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