Jacking Instruction Decal

So a simple case where I should have taken a picture and the opportunity is now lost . . .
There are two stickers for 1970
2931181 - Less convertible caution statement, and
2962995 - With convertible caution statement

Is this as easy as saying that only convertibles would have received the 2962995 or was there a cut in date (presumably when the first convertibles were manufactured) that would have made the additional statement standard on ALL Cudas?

My car is a 3/19 built AAR. Would anyone have a picture of an original AAR jack sticker close to my build date?

I think you have it correct

I'm making an assumption on how and why there are two configurations, what I'd really like to know is what's correct for an AAR?

Sorry all, been beating bushes with this and can't seem to turn up with a definitive answer.

What I'm hoping for is original paint/original jacking stickers from AAR's, along with SPD date if known. (Pictures appreciated if you have them)

Again, trying to determine whats correct for AAR's

2931181 - Less convertible caution statement
or
2962995 - With convertible caution statement

Were they all the same?
Was there a change around an SPD date?
Was it random as hell?

Thanks in advance

I emailed you as well but wanted to post on here also. The pix I sent you showing the instructions cover 2/3/70 - 3/19/70 and 4/3/70 I will check with an AAR owner whos car was one of the last cars built and see if he can send me a pic of his. The picture you sent me was a little pixelated but I could see enough though. It looks like a reproduction sticker on a car that had a fresh restoration??? Is that correct?? As I also said in our email I stopped taking pix of the jack instructions once I had pix of over 100 cars and all were the same. While I don't have tag info for all those cars it wasn't something that showed a wide range of variation in the stickers they were all the same.

Appreciate the help and followup to this thread.

Yes the photo I sent was not an original unrestored car, just a picture to show the difference between the two sticker PN's.

To clear this for any that may be reading the results of this thread, all the photos you sent were of original unrestored cars all showing the PN 2962995 - With convertible caution statement

When you have an opportunity, please review and confirm the SPD dates are;
2/3/70 - Cuda, Non AAR (to early for AAR Production)
3/19/70 - Cuda, AAR
4/3/70 - Cuda, AAR

Thanks again for the help

So Jeff, if I read your post correctly and the clarification by Lew, all AAR that you have seen or have pictures of have the convertible caution statement on them, correct?

When I got to that point on my car I ordered the decal and label kit from ECS and they sent me the one with no caution for my 407 built AAR. I know Dave usually researches things well beyond most so I wonder what information lead him to no caution at that time? It is possible that he didn't give it any thought but it would be strange from my experiences with him that he overlooked the 2 options and a switch over date.

The 2/3/70 is the pilot AAR I also have an AAR with a 4/13/70 SPD with same jack instructions as the others.

That is correct. As I mentioned in the email I stopped taking pix of the jack instructions after roughly 100 cars because they were all the same. There is no cut off date as far as I can tell and all AAR's use the 2962995. Replace the one you have with the correct one.

Thank you.

Glad I could help!!

Thanks again, this was driving me crazy, now just one less thing to lose sleep over

Well before you drive yourself crazy or lose sleep over the next thing.. Email or message me first. Ill try and keep you from sleepless nights!!! lol :P

As the good book of Proverbs 18:17 states, one side sounds right until the other states their case. With that said, we never sent anyone the "wrong" decal. The Customer or person who started this thread called with a specific list of decals that they wanted and we sent EXACTLY what they ordered. Had they ordered a "Kit" we would have asked for all vehicle information like build dates, power train, etc..... They never provided specific information about their vehicle. They simply called with a list of decals they wanted and we filled their order. I have no idea why some people start their research AFTER ordering specific parts. Had the original poster called with these questions after receiving his order in August, all the guessing and hypothesizing in this thread would have been completely unnecessary.

March 10, 1970 was a time in the Automotive Idustry where all vehicles were revamped with their new Emissions programs. Various decals on the Cars were redesigned to update antiquated information. The Jacking Instructions decal was one of those items. You could have seen 3 different decals, as much as 5 weeks prior or past the March 10Th date. What no one here has mentioned are 3 styles of the 2962995 version that was available. One variation was .75" narrower than the "standard type" which the "experts" deem as the acceptable version. A different style has angled edges instead of the corners rounded and has red lettering used for the small "caution" verbiage located under the top box of the exploded diagram. (Below are photos of all the examples.)

The first picture is of the early 2931181 version. The next is of the 2962995 with small red letting and angle cut edges. The next two (side by side) shows the larger & smaller version the different red letter "CAUTION" fonts at the bottom of the decal. 3 Completely different versions of the EXACT same part number. Maybe the "expert" posting in this thread can provide us with the reasons for the 3 different variations of the 2962995 Jacking Instructions Decal.

Dave W.

Just curious but how did you order these decals? Did you order them by the part number or did you provide ECS with all of the pertinent info for your car? When I've purchased the kits from them, I've had to give them detailed info like date codes, packages, etc.

I'm sure if you let Dave know what the issue was when it first occurred, he would have sent the correct one right away.

Never had a concern with Dave, he has always done the right thing by me. I was unaware there was even an option when I ordered mine around March of 14 and like you I provided my SBD adn any other pertinent info requested. With the latest info psted by Dave I'm not sure anything can be completely considered "wrong". I'll have to go back and study some original AAR examples I have to see what veriations they have if any. I'm not overly concerned about it to be completely frank. The fact is the number of people that really know what is right or wrong is minimal in most any case. I cant tell that it has made a bit of difference in the way the car has performed for 10,000 miles in the last 15 months, of course I haven't had to use the jack yet so it may create an issue at that point.

Dave, Always appreciate your knowledge but your off base on your accusations, perhaps talking with your employee will shed new light. Trust me when I tell you we discussed the car the decals were for, along with the SPD. I had no use for a complete sticker kit so I did take the time to order a-la-cart, confirming each sticker during the order process. One of my main questions was about the difference of the two jack stickers and your employee assured me the sticker less convertible caution was what I needed for my AAR.

You are correct, my bad in that I should have completely researched the topic prior to ordering but knowing your reputation I relied on your expertise (or your companies in this case as I didn't speak directly with you)

I called and spoke with another of your employee's today who didn't seem aware of all the facts you state but was nice enough to offer to swap the 1181 for a 2995. I will have it in the mail tomorrow.

As per Lew's post and in an email to me.. He asked what would be the correct jack instruction sticker for his AAR with a SPD of 3/19/70 I sent him a pic from an AAR with the same SPD.





A 2 owner car and it shows the sticker as it is on the car.

I also sent him pix from the AAR Pilot car. SPD 2/3/70
and also pix from an AAR with an SPD of 4/3/70 I even have pix of AAR's with SPD's of 4/13 and 4/15 and an owner of one of the last AAR's built has registered the car with me and I will email and ask him if he can take a pic or two and send them to me so I can keep on file for reference.

What I sent him and the 2 pix I posted here are from actual AAR's and to be precise an AAR with the same SPD as his.

David I haven't seen you in quite sometime. I believe the last time was at the Nats many years ago. I hope you have been well. Never heard anything else from you about how you made out in reproducing the correct texture on the AAR Stripes. How did that ever turn out?? I know its been a while. If you remember in a few of our conversations I had said I don't consider myself an "expert" and I will correct people when they call me that as I don't think anyone is an expert on any of this stuff. there are too many inconsistencies. That said I will give an answer my thoughts on the stickers you posted. First thing I noticed they were on some type of vinyl or laminate. You should know as I do that they did use different vendors to make the same things so i would say that's possibly where the differences come in on the 3 that are similar. The one with cut edges is most likely an early reproduction as I have never seen one like that on an untouched car before. It just has the appearance of a new/newer sticker. Remember too this question was about a sticker for an AAR. A specific car with a limited production run. I stopped documenting the stickers after seeing they were all the same. I have been waiting to come across one that's different but haven't found it yet (in an AAR) Thank you for posting the different ones you have. Was nice to see the subtle differences.

I want to apologize to a few of you guys for mixing up information concerning who was "complaining" about the different Decal options. A series of weird coincidences had this ordeal messed up regarding those who were involved with the original scenario.

Please DO NOT send back the other Jacking Decal. I will instruct my Guys to send you out a couple of the ones you requested so you have an extra. Again, sorry for the confusion to everyone involved.

Every Chrysler Trunk Jacking Decal was either manufactured on un-coated paper or a coated semi-gloss material. Most of the examples after 1969 were all produced on the coated semi-gloss material. The shiny appearance on the ones I posted was due to a clear coating that I sprayed on them to keep the ink from flaking off while removing them from the original vehicles. They are not "vinyl" and I have never documented an original "vinyl" Trunk Jacking Decal on any E Body vehicle. For the record, I've documented 2931181 decals that were used on E Bodies as late as 5 weeks past the March 10, 1970 date. AAR's or T/A's would not have received a special Jacking Instruction Decal different from the rest of the E Body production vehicles.

The small 2962995 example was briefly used after the 2931181 early version. I have only seen 4 in the many examples I have documented. They appear to be a morphing of the early & later styles. You'll notice that the small one has the lower "CAUTION" font of the earlier version but has the "Convertible" text of the later styles. The larger 2962995 version was the one that followed and was used for the remainder of the 1970 model year. The 2962995 Decal I posted with the cut edges is a LATER 1971 example. It used small red "Caution" lettering in the place of the blue print that was used on all of the earlier versions. My photo looks "new" because it was a printed copy of the original example I used to format it from. I returned the original I borrowed and only had the printout copy to use in the picture that I previously posted. Below is a photo of that actual Decal before it was removed from a 1971 survivor E Body vehicle.

Dave,

Very nice to see that you did not post a picture of a reproduction and claim that it was an original. lol.

I know it is a different model and decal, but our original jacking decal exhibited the same shrinkage with adhesive residue left behind on the edges.

I would never use a "reproduction" item to try and substantiate anything original.  I want to point out a couple of things that usually occur when individuals research only one type of vehicle in their quest for documenting information.  By not documenting cars outside of their passion or interest, they incorrectly convey opinions about what they think is correct versus incorrect.  They automatically assume that something must not be original because if they have "never seen one like that on an untouched car before" it must not exist!   That's the way history is re-written and erroneous features are expressed to the Hobby.  A person's knowledge or lack of, is not proof that anything is or is not original. 

Another problem is when people put a vehicle on a pedestal and enter their research with a mindset of finding "special" characteristics that support their grandiose view of a particular model car.  The statement "this question was about a sticker for an AAR" is a perfect example.  There was not a different Jacking Instruction between an AAR or a Slant Six Barracuda.  Nothing about an AAR would have required that the Jacking Instructions Decal illustrate anything different in the way the vehicle was jacked up or the way the Spare Tire was re-installed.  The Jacking Instructions were the same on all E Body cars. The only differences were between the versions that progressed throughout the years.

So pretty much like b bodies then?

Dave im not sure if you ever actually read what the initial post said in it but this is what the owner asked.

"My car is a 3/19 built AAR. Would anyone have a picture of an original AAR jack sticker close to my build date?"

I provided him with a picture from another AAR with the same SPD.

While what you posted was informative (To a point) There really wasn't a need to keep going on about it. The owner asked a question and got a correct answer with picture proof documentation.

"By not documenting cars outside of their passion or interest, they incorrectly convey opinions about what they think is correct versus incorrect. They automatically assume that something must not be original because if they have "never seen one like that on an untouched car before" it must not exist! That's the way history is re-written and erroneous features are expressed to the Hobby. A person's knowledge or lack of, is not proof that anything is or is not original."

This is a 2 way street. And again the question was specifically for and about an AAR so there would be no need to discuss anything further by showing stickers that were not on AAR's. All AAR's used the same decal which is the one I posted a pic of. I have pictures documenting this along with fender tag info to verify and back this up (which I sent the owner so he was assured what I was telling him was correct) Nobody was ever talking about six cylinders or any other cars. While slant six barracudas might have had or used a different jack instruction decal it has no relevance to this thread as the question was specifically about and for an AAR.

"Another problem is when people put a vehicle on a pedestal and enter their research with a mindset of finding "special" characteristics that support their grandiose view of a particular model car."

I put most all vehicles made by MOPAR on a pedestal.. But that's just me. Some might put all of them on one.


"The statement "this question was about a sticker for an AAR" is a perfect example. "

This probably one of the most accurate things you've said in this whole thread. Because it absolutely was what he asked about.

"There was not a different Jacking Instruction between an AAR or a Slant Six Barracuda."

Again this might be true but the question was specifically for and about an AAR no mention of a slant six barracuda.

" The Jacking Instructions were the same on all E Body cars. The only differences were between the versions that progressed throughout the years."

And this is all well and good but why was this even brought up to begin with?? There was no discussion needed about anything else once I showed what was correct for his car based on his SPD. While showing the subtle differences in the 3 stickers was slightly informative.. at the end of the day different sizes in fonts and red letters doesn't really matter as long as the sticker is correct in appearance and has the correct part number on it and the person paying for it is happy because they know they purchased the correct sticker for their car.

There were many things you missed in all the posts. The most blatant was the initial post when the owner asked which was correct for his AAR based on his SPD. Instead you chose to come in here like a bully.

" They are not "vinyl" and I have never documented an original "vinyl" Trunk Jacking Decal on any E Body vehicle."

I never said they were vinyl. This was what I said.

"First thing I noticed they were on some type of vinyl or laminate." Meaning it looked like the stickers were laying on some type of vinyl or laminate.

Dave im not sure what has happened to you but you are not the same person I met several years ago. You use to be a very level headed individual but in just this one thread you've shown that guy doesn't exist anymore. You are a truly talented person who has done some good things not only for the Mopar hobby but other car brands as well. But your serious lack of people skills and serious temper problems have done damage to your reputation. I wish you well and good luck in your future endeavors. Im sure your lap dog will have called or emailed you to let you know about this post. It appears for some reason you have been banned from the board.

I'm the same person that I was when I first entered into this Hobby. As time progressed however, I have less patience for people like you who mislead the Industry with your arrogant and erroneous information. You think that labeling yourself as the AAR registry expert gives you an inherent right to impose your limited knowledge and unsubstantiated opinions. It's you who miss the point. I used a Slant Six example to convey the FACT that there were no "special" Jacking Instructions decals used on the different models of E Body cars. You continue to act as if the AAR was in a league of its own with regards to Jacking Instructions Decals. They were not!

You obviously don't even understand that cars with the same Fender Tag date could have actually been built a month apart. The only thing you "proved" here is that the Car you pictured used the Decal that was on that Trunk Lid. It provided ZERO "proof" about the original Decal for the Car in question by the OP. You weren't even aware that a different version Decal was available for 1971. You thought the one I posted was an EARLY REPRODUCTION! Other than that, the rest of your "information" is nothing more than a guess based on your limited knowledge & research. Those are the facts!

I honestly don't why some people get bent out of shape for something that was "universal" for one car to the next. Same thing could be said about the lower control arms or what plating / color certain hardware was. There would be no difference in those parts if you had an AAR or a slant six. It's not like there was a special jack that was used in super birds and daytonas

Your quote represents what the resident "expert" should have initially told the OP about what he knew. Instead, he told him on the first page, "as far as I can tell and all AAR's use the 2962995". That is 100% false.

Like I said, these guys do a little research and claim absolutes based on their limited knowledge about a few cars. They erroneously tell those seeking the facts that every specialty vehicle used a certain type of part. They try and re-write history to accommodate their biased agenda. They are disingenuous when it comes to preserving information and educating about the details pertaining to these Cars. Always playing the Big Shot!

I located 2 AAR's in my archived photos that both used the "early" 181 Jacking Instructions. So much for the experts telling us "all" the facts! (lol)

If you say so dave.

Whatever happened to the "Never say never" rule with Mopars? I've found some weird things on our cars that "never" should have been done like it was yet, somehow it slipped through that way. We have to remember that these cars were not meant to last as long as they have. They were production cars built by people (not like todays robots on the assembly line) and had variations.

The only REAL way to tell which one was on the car was to have the original either be on the car or have a nice picture of one on the car to go by if it is no longer there.

Brian you have your head so far up there you are just like him. This isn't a case of never say never so while you keep perpetuating this argument all in defense of him you wind up looking as bad as him for dragging this on. If you took any time at all to read what was originally posted or read what I posted in answers you would see the owner asked a specific question in regards to his AAR based on his SPD. I answered that question correctly. Nobody complained about the stickers or slammed ECS or Dave in any way. I also explained and showed the owner that I had info on the beginning of production the middle and towards the end of production and all the cars Ive documented all use the same thing. These cars were on a limited run and im not saying one or two never got out the door with something different but I highly doubt it because as of right now the facts don't show us that irregardless of what Dave says.

This is the exact reason why I quit posting on this forum many years ago. I asked generic questions when I was restoring my Charger in the A12 restoration section like what color was certain suspension and I got my head darn near chopped off by people like you ! That decal is a generic decal for the E bodies....ALL E bodies! That decal is NOT specific to AARs only ! Period ! It doesn't matter if it was an AAR, a six cylinder challenger, a cuda convertible, whatever. The way you were conveying it makes it sound like the AARs had a special decal where that is completely false.

As for "defending" Dave. I'd do it for anyone else who is right ! Be it Dave, or anyone else who is being steered wrong by people.

Anyways, if Dave did have an original trunk decal off an AAR that proved something contrary to what you have found, he is no longer able to post so I guess its all a mute point now.

You are so bent on being right you've fail to read the very first post where the owner asked what was right for his AAR. Its beyond any comprehension as to why you both cant get that through your thick heads. He asked which sticker was correct for his AAR based on his SPD. I showed him another AAR with the same SPD and showed which sticker it had on it. You both keep contradicting what Dave has said over and over again. It doesn't matter if the stickers were used on other e-bodies this question was about an AAR and that's the answer he was given. Dave keeps taking this off subject confusing everyone else with non sense talk about march 10th emission changes and 71 stickers etc. etc. You keep flaming this for whatever reason by continually defending him. I have not in any way said the AAR's had a special decal. Thats something dave..and now you seem to think. again for whatever reason is beyond me or anyone else reading this post. Its a shame what this post has turned into solely because Dave has turned it upside down like he has done many times before from what I understand which is why he is banned from here and other forums. he simply fails to read posts before getting involved and absolutely from the way it looks has a hard time admitting or taking the fact that hes not always right.

The original poster asked a question about the differences between the two decals and the dates. The fact that he had an AAR is inconsequential.

The only person "thick headed" is you. If you were half the expert you try to be, you would have told the original poster that his AAR jacking decal was no different or more unique than any other E Body example. Instead, you took advantage of his ignorance and spun it in a direction that allowed you give interject your personal area of interest. You don't even have the where-withal to understand
that the March 10Th date Dave mentioned was a crucial factor in understanding the changes that occurred between the 2 different jacking instruction variations. That is what the original poster was actually trying to differentiate. Did you conveniently miss that part of his question? I guess making things appear specific to an AAR keeps people coming to you so you can grow your registry.
Isn't that the real reason you have desperately tried to confuse others into thinking that this generic E Body jacking decal is an AAR thing?

You can think what you want about me cause I really don't care. Everyone has an opinion and you are free to exercise that right. I'll let you get back to your life now and I won't bother with this thread anymore. Enjoy your night.

"So a simple case where I should have taken a picture and the opportunity is now lost . . .
There are two stickers for 1970
2931181 - Less convertible caution statement, and
2962995 - With convertible caution statement

Is this as easy as saying that only convertibles would have received the 2962995 or was there a cut in date (presumably when the first convertibles were manufactured) that would have made the additional statement standard on ALL Cudas?

My car is a 3/19 built AAR. Would anyone have a picture of an original AAR jack sticker close to my build date?"




"What I'm hoping for is original paint/original jacking stickers from AAR's, along with SPD date if known. (Pictures appreciated if you have them)"


"The original poster asked a question about the differences between the two decals and the dates. The fact that he had an AAR is inconsequential. "


Doesn't look so inconsequential to me. Now go back to your life following Dave around the forums waving a banner for him.

Take a lesson from a real "expert". Here is how a person
without a skewed agenda and a real knowledge about the scenario would have answered the OP's questions.

Hi AAR#2. The first thing you need to understand is that there was in fact a change/transition between the 2 decals to comply with the March 10Th emissions mandate that prompted changes for many automotive decals. Every automobile manufacturer experienced this transition and it was not specific to just Chrysler. Any vehicle manufactured around the build date of your car could have came with one of the 2 Decals that were available during this transition period. The 2931181 was mainly used prior to March 10, 1970 and the 2962995 was used after March 10, 1970. Keep in mind that there could have been anomalies for vehicles built close to the transition phase of the March 10Th date. This was true not only for the AAR Cuda but all E Body vehicles regardless of if they were a 225, 318, 340, 383, 440 or 426 Engine. There is no definitive way to know exactly what came on your specific car unless you had the original. Since either style could have come on your vehicle, you can use the March 10Th date as a guideline or reference other vehicles that were manufactured around the same time line. You should be safe either way due to the fact that your vehicle was built right around the time of the decal change.

I believe there are a few misunderstandings occurring on this thread, both with good intent

a) answering a question
b) painting a historical portrait and allowing one to make a determination.

While both techniques have merit it's up to the OP to determine ultimate value based on the question and intent.

Never for a minute did I imply or believe that the reason for the two configurations was linked to the AAR model, but by asking the question as it relates to AAR's I have effectively narrowed the manufacturing dates and workforce handling the assembly. Remember the reason for the question is to restore an AAR, specifically mine. Jeff was kind enough to post his findings on hundreds of AAR models. His findings suggest that he has yet to come across a single AAR with the 1181 decal, confirming that pilot and production AARs all carried the the 2995, to include an example with the same SPD date as mine. . . .

The history behind the change is interesting but still a bit cloudy to me. When I'm told of the March 10th date but followed by the statement that either decal may have been used as much as 5 weeks prior or past the March 10th date, this leaves a 2+ month window, so what does the March 10th date really mean? Perhaps the mix of decals mentioned was more prevalent on non AAR models for reasons unknown? Remember that during the course of this thread only 2 AAR's were mentioned to be known to have the early 1181 decal (I would have liked to have seen photos posted for future readers to benefit).

Based on the information provided, and that I do not have proof that my car is one of the possible minority, I am wise to use the accepted norm for this feature. Believe me when I tell you that if I research and have documented none standard "accepted norms" for my car, I restore it in that manner and will likely have to defend these choices by many a closed mind.

While I appreciate the spirited dialog I'm particularly disheartened by some of the unprovoked attacks to my post and character, I hardly consider myself "ignorant" within the hobby. Perhaps my ignorance comes from thinking that the purpose of MOPARTS was to be connected with common interest enthusiasts willing to share information/expertise to improve historical vehicles.

Thanks to all as I have a high level of confidence that when I receive the new 2995 sticker from Dave I will statistically be as accurate as I can be given the lack of evidence specific to my exact car.

Hi AAR#2,

This might shed some light onto the 5 week difference for that March 10Th date. Automobile Companies were supposed to change over by a certain date, but sometimes lingered in the process. Being creatures of habit and wanting to use what they already had, some line workers would continue to use the "old" stuff until it was depleted.

Many of us know the early 69 model year cars had 68 features. Things such as the black door handle buttons instead of the 69 style with the chrome door handle button, chrome automatic console shifter knob, while the 69s were supposed to have a wood grain console shifter knob, etc. Even the VIN labels had differences after the set date. The DMV Law was written in September of 1966 to initiate the program but did not become a mandate until August of 1969. The different companies were complying with that particular mandate at different times. GM started in February of 1969, Ford in August of 1969 and Chrysler in June of 1969. You'll also see VIN decals that changed details for specific years but anomalies were found MONTHS after the change was to be initiated.