440 6 pack iron intake manifold, dates & details please

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Mine is a 275 with a date of 7-21-69.

275: 7-18-69

276: 10/21/69

I have a 71 440+6 Cuda, built September of 70 that was OE judged at the Mopar Nationals in 2013. The car is all numbers matching, however the 440+6 intake is dated 10/69. Paul Jacobs deducted points for the intake being earlier than the rest of the engine casting dates. I have been searching for a 440+6 intake cast in early to mid 1970 for the last year. I have checked all my sources including Ted Stevens and many other suppliers without success. I also ran a wanted ad on Moparts for several months without success. I am looking forward to the conclusion of this thread. The latest casting date I have found is 12/69

Were any intakes cast in 1970 or 1971?

I'm very far from an expert, but I have read on this board that the hemi engines were cast in batches and that the dates on them may be well in advance of the car's actual build date. I would think that the same would apply to something as special as the six pack intakes. As I said, don't really know, just thinking out loud.
Jess

275 - 07/14/69
Scheduled Build Date 9/08/1969.
Lynch Rd Road Runner.

Has anyone ever seen an intake cast earlier than 7/15/69? Anyone ever seen a 1968 casting date?

don't know if this is legit, but here's a manifold for sale on ebay, with a cast date of 10/9/68

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291329443334

276 11/4/69

I just got one from Scott for The Black Car, 6bbl Sport Fury GT.

Casting date 8/20/69 -- PN# 276

Engine Assembly date 9/11/69

SPD 10/09/69

From my 440-6 bbl Superbird
CI Intake manifold Casting p/n 2946276 Dated Oct 23, 1969
Engine block cast May 14, 1969
Engine assembled Nov 5, 1969
Cylinder heads cast Oct 31, 1969

I Have 2 cast iron ones I can check numbers and dates on over the holidays...

What is the spd on the Superbird?

Thanks! I recently aquired a 70 V code RR project build date of oct 8 69 missing the original drivetrain & replaced with a later 70 HP 440 so I am trying to figure out what date codes I need to look for to be as correct as possible. I also came up with a 70 V code Cuda project build date of nov 5 69 that came with what I was told was the original block. The partial vin is on the block & it was assembled on 11 4 but I was concerned it might not be correct as it was cast in may 69, until I saw your casting date. So maybe it is correct?

The date on the fender tag is NOT the build date - it is the SPD - "Scheduled Production Date".

Casting dates & assembly dates have to precede the actual build date, which is hard to determine without some good documentation/research. Got a b'cast sheet? What's the date on the 'Cuda's (original?) K-frame?

I have the broadcast sheet but don't see a date. Where would the date be? Is it the vehicle order number ( B05076461 )??

Production tooling and casting molds were and are generally a few years ahead of the actual build dates of the cars they are intended for. This allows the manufacturer adequate time to evaluate and test the new parts for durability, driveability and performance and set up tooling for mass production. That casting date would not be out of line for the 1970 production model year, especially if it was in a batch cast for engineering tests and evaluation. Another thing is the 1970 model year cars went into production in July / August 1969. Prototypes and preproduction models were already being built in mid to late 1968 and used for engineering evaluation and testing.

We know that Chrysler contracted Edelbrock to produce the 1969 - A12 Intakes out of Aluminum. That doesn't mean Chrysler had not already cast their own version of the Six Pack Manfold in cast iron, planning ahead for increased production for 1970. (reference the comments about the casting dates on cast iron intake for sale on eBay - cast in late 1968) Epecially if they knew Edelbrock could not make their (Chrysler Corp's) projected sales volume increase for 1970 for 440 Six Pack equipped cars.

This is just "My Opinion" based on my experience in Auto Manufacturing. I DO NOT HAVE PROOF of this (referencing Chrysler Corp. circa 1969) . It is just my logical analysis of what happens in the Auto Mfg. world, based on my personal experiences. This process continues currently with most Auto Manufacturers. I can attest to the fact that 2015 models were being built and tested back in 2013. Commonly called "Engineering Mules"

I will have 39 years in an Auto Mfg. Plant in March 2015 and have seen and participated in a lot of the prototype / preproduction builds over the years, especially pertaining to Paint Validation for workability and Color Validation trials etc. and Paint Application in an assembly plant. (my area of expertise).

Also I own a 1970 Six Pack Challenger RT -SPD date on Data plate of B05 Nov. 5, 1969 and I believe it has a Cast Iron intake - cast in early 1969. (will have to confirm actual date)

Just wanting to shed some light on the processes involved in the Manufacture of Cars and how the build / testing phases progress.

Hope this helps with the question about the casting date on the manifold.

Also for guy who said he had points deducted from his Mopar Nats Judging - for his intake being date coded out of the accepted range for the cars build date. Apparently the Judge is just following the "Best Accepted Practice" for judging and it is NOT Based on the actual facts of Mass Automobile Production. The judges caveat is to put the burden of proof on the owner. I had a similiar situation when I had my Six Pack Challenger R/T judged at the Mopar Nats and finsihed 3rd exactly 1/2 point behind 2nd place and 1 point behind the 1st place finisher. I got dinged on my tailinght wiring harness being incorrect and it was the one that originally came in the car - Go figure ..... LOL

Have a Good One !


Bogusracer - Jeff

I purchased a 440-6 intake at mopar nats in 1993 with no date code and was told by show judges it was considered correct for 1971 cars, right or wrong I do not know.

My 100% for sure original 1970 440 Six Pack Challenger with a SBD Dec/06/69 came with an aluminum intake.