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NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't

Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/23/14 02:56 PM

This seller is knowledgeable enough to know better. He is selling this current reproduction part as NOS and it isn't.

In addition to the Pentastar and the Chrysler part# all NOS examples have another stamping that contains the McCord Gasket company initials and part#, the reproductions (like this one) doesn't have it.

340 Exhaust gasket on ebay
Posted By: moparmike1

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/23/14 03:00 PM

Brads....

Mike.
Posted By: TONY_DAGOSTINO

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/23/14 03:01 PM

good call Scott

they have also made 340 heat riser repair kits and had red white and blue mopar parts labels made that they put on the boxes they sold them in. I've run across many of those throughout the years and they all came from brads nos
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/23/14 03:06 PM

Here is a true NOS version (top) and a used original (bottom) details are tough to see in this pic but the interesting thing I've noticed is that while both have the correct numbers stamped on them, the production line versions have the Chrysler part# stamped in the reverse direction as compared to the NOS versions.

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Posted By: Seventythree

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/23/14 03:58 PM

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good call Scott

they have also made 340 heat riser repair kits and had red white and blue mopar parts labels made that they put on the boxes they sold them in. I've run across many of those throughout the years and they all came from brads nos



Tony - any opinion on the quality of the heat riser repair kit? Are they worth the $225 they are asking for them? I need to order one, this is why I'm asking.
Posted By: Tom Swope

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/23/14 04:12 PM

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This seller is knowledgeable enough to know better. He is selling this current reproduction part as NOS and it isn't.

In addition to the Pentastar and the Chrysler part# all NOS examples have another stamping that contains the McCord Gasket company initials and part#, the reproductions (like this one) doesn't have it.

340 Exhaust gasket on ebay



Scott , Just wondering if you or someone else has contacted this vendor with the details showing that this part is a reproduction and not an nos part. It would give the vendor the opportunity to rectify
the claims to the Mopar community and change the advertising to a more accurate description of the part. Just looking at both sides.
Posted By: ek2aar

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/23/14 04:43 PM

I have fell victim to this scam, I bought two last year from him, I bought one for me and one for my buddy, this is before anyone had them listed on there websites, I did not know they where even making reproduction gaskets at the time, when I saw that he had listed 4 more and that they where being reproduced we sent him an email asking if they where old nos or new , he said they were old, so he is blatantly robbing people
Posted By: ek2aar

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/23/14 04:55 PM

This topic erks me to say the least, it seems there are many people that are selling nos parts that are truly not nos, or, there is a very well known parts distributor that I contacted about 2 nos aar distributors he had on his website, I asked him straight out if they were nos or rebuilt/restored , he said no, they are nos, he sent me pictures and they have the wrong vacuum advance and repop id tags on them,and the box part # is conveniently whited out, so he is takeing $100 nos baloney dual points distributors and putting ta 340 id tags on them and selling them for $7-800

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Posted By: ek2aar

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/23/14 04:56 PM

That's his grimy hand right there! He knows who he is, I know he is reading this post!

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Posted By: twobolts

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/23/14 04:59 PM

When he posted his fourth one of these on eBay I asked him if these gaskets were NOS old stock or the ones that were now being made, his reply was that they were about ten years old. Unfortunately I had already purchased one of the first ones he posted. There is a lot of shady stuff that goes on with "NOS" parts. From taking a run of the mill nos part and duping it into a rare nos part with repro parts to putting it into a nos package to just flat out lying about parts. I've been lucky enough to find someone pretty local, honest and knowledgeable who has helped me find parts and takes the time to show the differences between nos. fake, assembly line correct, etc...even guiding me to be very careful with certain sellers. Someone like this is priceless. Buyer Beware it seems.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/23/14 05:27 PM

Yes and I was very nice about it too. He promptly blocked me from his auctions.
Posted By: mccannix

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/23/14 06:11 PM

You're right Scott..he knows better and has been cautioned in the past on his "NOS".
Here is the McCord number stamped on an NOS shield... Mc4522.

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Posted By: mccannix

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/23/14 06:13 PM

Although the repros are nice, on originals you can see the McCord number, as well as the part number, on each side of the manifold edge when installed ( manifold resting in position on shield for photo )
This is a must for the originality crowd.

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Posted By: ek2aar

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/23/14 06:19 PM

Great, now does someone want to sell me a "TRUE" nos gasket??
Posted By: 44D6PAKCUDA

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/23/14 06:27 PM

Thanks for the good info.I currently have one listed on the bay and was not sure about what I had and listed it so.
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/23/14 06:54 PM

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This seller is knowledgeable enough to know better. He is selling this current reproduction part as NOS and it isn't.

In addition to the Pentastar and the Chrysler part# all NOS examples have another stamping that contains the McCord Gasket company initials and part#, the reproductions (like this one) doesn't have it.

340 Exhaust gasket on ebay



He is just taking a page out of Frank's book ...
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/23/14 06:58 PM

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This seller is knowledgeable enough to know better. He is selling this current reproduction part as NOS and it isn't.

In addition to the Pentastar and the Chrysler part# all NOS examples have another stamping that contains the McCord Gasket company initials and part#, the reproductions (like this one) doesn't have it.

340 Exhaust gasket on ebay



Scott , Just wondering if you or someone else has contacted this vendor with the details showing that this part is a reproduction and not an nos part. It would give the vendor the opportunity to rectify
the claims to the Mopar community and change the advertising to a more accurate description of the part. Just looking at both sides.



That's a good one Tom , I doubt they will even care , there are many rubes on ebay that will buy them .
Posted By: RJS

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/23/14 10:05 PM

Scott turned me on the the Repro. Exhaust gasket and that you can even get blems for 1/2 the price.

I bought a Blem. on E-Bay and even was able to get it cheaper due to the seller having a "make offer" type auction.
If you get that close to my gasket to read those #'s your gunna get burned!!!!!

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Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/23/14 10:33 PM

RJS, righto, not a problem using a reproduction, just as long as yoy don't get tricked into paying an "NOS" price dir one.
Posted By: RJS

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/23/14 11:04 PM

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RJS, righto, not a problem using a reproduction, just as long as yoy don't get tricked into paying an "NOS" price dir one.



Scott do you have fat thumbs?????
Posted By: ademon

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/23/14 11:47 PM

So what's the recourse ??? Can you dispute it with paypal? eBay? Chrysler ???
Posted By: 1971 Gran Coupe

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/24/14 12:21 AM

I was given an in person education from Scott on the difference in parts, and once you see the difference you will never forget. Scotts pictures are very clear and informative. It appears, the guy on ebay is selling re-pops as NOS, ask him a question and see if he blocks you too. Buyer beware!

It never hurts to do a dispute if you think the item was misrepresented. Be prepared to submit a letter from someone with knowledge and ability to distinguish an NOS versus the repops.
Posted By: ns1aar

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/24/14 03:12 AM

The pentastar is orientated different on the repos
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/24/14 03:48 AM

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The pentastar is orientated different on the repos



Correct, as is the Chrysler part# stamping and font style.
Posted By: 469runner

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/24/14 04:37 AM

I have never had a satisfactory experience with Brads NOS parts. I bought a non telescoping antenna mast for a 1970 Cuda NOS, paid a good bit for it too, it wouldn't screw in. Checked it out...metric threads. He stole money from me on that one. Another time years later needed an air-grabber actuator. $120.00 seemed fair. I get it and it is a $25.00 at best 1968-69 Charger headlight door actuator. He knows the difference, just trying to rip folks off. I sent it back and got my money refunded on that one, but seriously I believe he is hoping people won't notice the difference. Stay away from Brads, and Jims, and Frank Mitchell. This hobby doesn't need people like that.
Posted By: Tom Hand

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/24/14 05:18 AM

Back when you could get them, I bought three new sets from McCord I think and I got the pass side too. Look closely and you can see it on mine. This would have been back in 1979-1980 or so and I think we were paying mabe $15 for them??

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Posted By: Commando1

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/24/14 01:47 PM

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I have never had a satisfactory experience with Brads NOS parts. I bought...


Years ago, I had good dealings with Brads.
The last few years I have had a drastic decline in satisfaction in dealing with them and have stopped going to them altogether now.

Was there a change several years ago in ownership or something or did greed simply kick in?
Posted By: 5carguy

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/24/14 02:35 PM

I think greed kicked in.
Posted By: 62maxwgn

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/24/14 04:03 PM

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That's his grimy hand right there! He knows who he is, I know he is reading this post!



I bought a case of six of those at Carlisle 15 yrs ago for $150,if my memory hasn't failed too much,I am pretty sure the original application was 65/66 273 4 spd,still have one left if I can find it.
Posted By: ek2aar

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/24/14 05:08 PM

Same guy has so called "original" distributors also, same deal, boloney distributors with ta id tags! He went the extra mile and tried to add some patina to the repop tag to make it look "original" lol

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Posted By: ek2aar

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/24/14 05:09 PM

Its sad that someone doesn't have enough skill or knowledge to make an honest living and has to resort to trying to steal an honest man's hard earned money, I believe that what goes around comes around, and with that being said, its only a matter of time !

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Posted By: 62maxwgn

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/24/14 06:34 PM

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Its sad that someone doesn't have enough skill or knowledge to make an honest living and has to resort to trying to steal an honest man's hard earned money, I believe that what goes around comes around, and with that being said, its only matter of time !



You decide which one !

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Posted By: 1972CudaV21

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/25/14 06:20 PM

Brad's used to be a good source for NOS parts years ago. But, when the NOS stuff started drying up, I guess the greed from having parts made in China kicked in.

Some vendors do the same thing on here as well.
Posted By: Dave Watt

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/25/14 07:18 PM

I got burned by an NOS dealer that had the 1969 B-body washer bottle. At the time, the reproductions had the lid opening the wrong direction. So I paid double for the "NOS" one. Come to find out, this "F"ing dealer was one of the first to get the correct opening reproductions.
Also, I'm seeing a lot of "NOS" diecast emblems at swap meets lately. They are just in clear plastic bags. I have a feeling they are current reproductions that have the Pentastar and correct part number cast into them.
Posted By: 1972CudaV21

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/26/14 12:50 AM

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I got burned by an NOS dealer that had the 1969 B-body washer bottle. At the time, the reproductions had the lid opening the wrong direction. So I paid double for the "NOS" one. Come to find out, this "F"ing dealer was one of the first to get the correct opening reproductions.
Also, I'm seeing a lot of "NOS" diecast emblems at swap meets lately. They are just in clear plastic bags. I have a feeling they are current reproductions that have the Pentastar and correct part number cast into them.



There are a lot of things going on like this in the Mopar restoration arena. Unfortunately, a lot of people are getting ripped-off by some vendors. Plus, all these "Authentic" items licensed by Chrysler/Daimler/Fiat - they've tossed in a lot of inferior products on the market too. I wish Chrysler/Fiat would do a better job of monitoring these products.
Posted By: Commando1

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/27/14 01:39 PM

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I wish Chrysler/Fiat would do a better job of monitoring these products.


NO! You do not want that.
75% of the repop products would dry up and the remaining ones will double in price.
Ask any Harley owner...
Licensing can be both good and evil.
Posted By: Tom Swope

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/27/14 04:41 PM

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I got burned by an NOS dealer that had the 1969 B-body washer bottle. At the time, the reproductions had the lid opening the wrong direction. So I paid double for the "NOS" one. Come to find out, this "F"ing dealer was one of the first to get the correct opening reproductions.
Also, I'm seeing a lot of "NOS" diecast emblems at swap meets lately. They are just in clear plastic bags. I have a feeling they are current reproductions that have the Pentastar and correct part number cast into them.



There are a lot of things going on like this in the Mopar restoration arena. Unfortunately, a lot of people are getting ripped-off by some vendors. Plus, all these "Authentic" items licensed by Chrysler/Daimler/Fiat - they've tossed in a lot of inferior products on the market too. I wish Chrysler/Fiat would do a better job of monitoring these products.



My experience with Chrysler licensing is that Chrysler uses a subcontractor to facilitate the after market license process.
They are happy to collect an up front fee for each product and a percentage of each part sold. The manufacturer bears all costs up front and the ongoing perpetual percentage on the licensed part.
The process is more of a marketing approach and not so much how accurate the part follows the original design.
Posted By: 1972CudaV21

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/27/14 05:54 PM

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I wish Chrysler/Fiat would do a better job of monitoring these products.


NO! You do not want that.
75% of the repop products would dry up and the remaining ones will double in price.
Ask any Harley owner...
Licensing can be both good and evil.



Tell me the Harley story. I assume they go after anyone without a license?
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/27/14 06:24 PM

The best way to del with these issues is for us as a community to let them know that we are on to their crooked antics and that we will not support them or purchase ANYTHING they sell. Make sure they get the reputation they deserve and it will eventually come back to bite them.

This is a very small (Mopar) world, a bad reputation will haunt you for a very long time.
Posted By: xs29j8

Re: NOS 340 Parts - Buyer Beware! This Exhaust Gasket Isn't - 04/27/14 11:28 PM

There are a lot of parts misrepresented on eBay, Mopar forums, and other Internet websites... and it appears the parts sell eventually with little or no consequence...

Here is an example, and I have contacted most of the sellers about the "mistake"... only one actually changed his Ad, and he was a private seller instead of a vendor.

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