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1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details
Posted By: Mopucky
1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 12:49 AM
Hi, I am in the process of assembly and painting the engine in my 71 Cuda. It is a 340 4 speed with Air Conditioning.
I'm looking for pics and info on what needs to be bolted on the engine for paint, especially timing cover/water pump bolts and washers. I want to get this as close to factory as possible. I have seen that some bolts were panted and backed off to put on brackets. Any pics/info will be greatly appreciated!
Posted By: autoxcuda
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 01:00 AM
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Hi, I am in the process of assembly and painting the engine in my 71 Cuda. It is a 340 4 speed with Air Conditioning.
I'm looking for pics and info on what needs to be bolted on the engine for paint, especially timing cover/water pump bolts and washers. I want to get this as close to factory as possible. I have seen that some bolts were panted and backed off to put on brackets. Any pics/info will be greatly appreciated!
Some other info will help others answer your questions with engine details:
What is the SPD date of the car?
Is the car N95 california emissions?
Posted By: Mopucky
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 01:58 AM
Fender tag build date on car is 104
No N94 emissions on tag
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:09 AM
Ok, you should have an orange engine assembled at the Windsor Ontario plant. Here are a few that might get you on your way. This shows all of the parts which were attached before the engines were painted. Those two straps you see with the chains connected to them are original factory engine handling straps. A few of these were left on engines (likely by mistake) and I searched around and scrounged them up so I could paint the engine leaving the appropriate bare areas that they covered small areas on the ends of the heads while the engine was painted.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:10 AM
After paint.
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Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:11 AM
With most or the small parts added
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Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:12 AM
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Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:13 AM
There are
A LOT of small unique details on these engines, date codes, part#'s, etc. The choke is stamped "75" as are the reproductions, however, the reproductions lack the second smaller stamping which is "BA 148". The choke rod is also stamped with a tiny "527". Reproductions are blank.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:25 AM
Here are a batch of some of the smaller details
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Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:25 AM
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Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:31 AM
This is an NOS date coded Alternator belt. It's only going to see show use, I'll be putting a reproduction on for street duty.
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Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:32 AM
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Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:36 AM
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Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:36 AM
Original choke well gaskets were thick and made of an asbestos composite (this one is NOS).
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:37 AM
Rear Coil bracket mounting bolt head marking had an "E" and was plated a yellow/zinc color.
Posted By: autoxcuda
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:37 AM
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Ok, you should have an orange engine assembled at the Windsor Ontario plant. Here are a few that might get you on your way. This shows all of the parts which were attached before the engines were painted.
Is that actually an 71 A-body motor? Would an E-body just have a different drivers exhaust manifold? Everything else the same.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:38 AM
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Is that actually an 71 A-body motor? Would an E-body just have a different drivers exhaust manifold? Everything else the same.
Yes, correct, that and the engine mount is a different shape for E-body
The front coil mount strap bolt had an "F" shaped head marking and was black/grey phosphate.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:38 AM
This is a reproduction coil made by M&H Wire. They are the closest match to my originals in terms of the ink stampings. Aside from the stampings, all modern replacement coils (like this one) lack some details as compared to originals which have either "Made in USA" or "Made in Canada" molded into the ends (my car should have had "Made in Canada") reproductions don't have either. Originals are also about .25" shorter than reproductions.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:39 AM
Notice that the coil wire has a white ink printing as opposed to yellow? I have only seen this on originals, all reproductions are yellow.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:39 AM
Distributor clamps were steel with a very thin copper plating which was burnished with a very thin/low quality dark coating that appears like black phosphate, copper color shows through in several areas.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:40 AM
Correct NOS distributor cap, all originals should have "Made in USA" molded in.
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Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:41 AM
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Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:42 AM
All original vacuum hoses were ribbed like this one, this one is NOS.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:43 AM
All original Keystone clamps I've seen were stamped with this 615 number. This is a reproduction, it differs from an original in that the 615 is stamped upside down as compared to an original.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:43 AM
This is an NOS and date correct early 1971 Fuel filter. The ink stamping is a lighter shade of blue as compared to reproductions. These were supplied to the line as assemblies with clamps and pre cut fuel lines as shown. I used reproductions on my engine and stashed this one for reference purposes.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:44 AM
Here is the reproduction fuel filter. Notice how much brighter and bold the KV stamping is? Close but no cigar, font and pattern is decent but it's too bright, and very obvious when compared to an NOS original.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:44 AM
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Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:45 AM
This is a reproduction fuel pump but it's properly detailed, bolts included. I also have the original which has been restored but chose to stash it for the restoration engine I'm building (this is the stroker motor so it's going to get plenty of street time and will be using up wear items).
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:47 AM
Here's the fan pulley, the fan and clutch were not yet restored when these shots were taken. Bolts are correct and plated properly.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:47 AM
So far all leads on the correct dip stick color point to black paint being correct. I was starting to think they were bare steel but based on a few good survivors and an NOS version I found, they were painted (likely dipped) in black paint which was very thin and flaked off easily so most went south in a hurry leaving a bare steel handle.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:48 AM
The heater hose bracket bolt (as well as many other attaching bolts holding a non painted part to the engine) were black/gray phosphate.
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Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:49 AM
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Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:49 AM
Reproduction heater hoses have the correct shape and features but the ink stampings need some work. The ink easily wipes off if you lay hands on it, and it's too bright white and chalky looking. Original stampings were a deeper shade of white and were far more durable when handled or cleaned, the lettering sheen was more like that of the rubber hose and was not chalky looking.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:50 AM
Correct restored original DR1114429 Idle Stop Solenoid. The stamping is very difficult to view once installed as the stamping faces the intake.
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Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:51 AM
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Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:51 AM
That often missing black spring clip is to hold the idle stop solenoid power wire.
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Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:52 AM
Original sate code correct restored 4 Speed Oil sending unit, automatic cars use a smaller more compact style.
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Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:53 AM
B5
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Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:54 AM
B6
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Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:55 AM
Original temp sender was installed after paint. All are stamped 250 on one side, the opposite side has the two digit date code. These were date coded with a letter for the month and a number for the year, example J0 = September 1970
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:56 AM
B8
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Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:57 AM
NOS PS hose, plating was not high quality, this came out of an original sealed box. Date code is the day of the year and the year. 021 = 21st day, 0 = 1970
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:58 AM
The other end has the part#
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:58 AM
Most 1971 340's had the 294 stamped pan. These pans came two ways, with pan rail stiffeners in the corners, and without. My survivor engine didn't have them.
Paint coverage was poor on the bottoms of the oil pans, there are typically bare spots near the center of the bottom of the pans simply because the factory painters didn't usually make any effort to paint the underside. My survivor happens to have good coverage on the bottom so I copied it on my clone stroker engine and covered most of it.
Posted By: 1971 Gran Coupe
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:58 AM
I visited Scott the other day and the motor looks good in the pictures, but up close and personal, the resto job is awesome!! This should answer anyones questions on painting the 340.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 02:59 AM
71 TQ throttle cable nuts were typically silver and the stud was black phosphate, the opposite of many other Mopars of the day.
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Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 03:00 AM
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Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 03:04 AM
Some parts like the various hoses, fuel filter, fuel line clamps, etc. are the best/most accurate reproduction parts available, that said, there are some subtle differences as compared to NOS with most of them.
Posted By: Mopucky
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 03:09 AM
SCOTT!!! WOW! This is EXACTLY what I needed to see! You did my Thermoquad two years ago and it was too pretty to put on my old engine so I'm going through it now. I can only hope my engine comes out as nice as yours!
Thanks for taking the time to post all of those for me!
Posted By: FJR doc
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 03:37 AM
That's a sexy engine! I can't wait to get mine assembled and painted. Scott, did you purchase date coded spark plug wires or did you stencil your own?
I know I've read that the plastic wire holders were unpainted, but my 1970 Duster 340 wire holders have traces of orange paint on them.
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 03:48 AM
That's really stunning Scott! I am curious, what combination of parts dictated a power steering cooler on an A body? Axle package?
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 03:52 AM
The wires you see in those pics are NOS originals (good luck finding any with good date codes!) The reproductions by Lectric Limited are the best I've seen, not 100% exact, but 98% or so which will make most happy.
Painted wire looms were the norm on blue painted engines (After April or so of 1971 ), but not on orange engines, yes exceptions happened but based on the larger number of unpainted originals I've seen my money would be on that yours have had some touch up paint overspray at some time in the past and are not original, but as I said, it's possible.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 03:53 AM
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That's really stunning Scott! I am curious, what combination of parts dictated a power steering cooler on an A body? Axle package?
Axel package cars should have had a cooler (3.55 or 3.91 gears)
Posted By: FJR doc
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 04:08 AM
Do you know who sells Electric Limited wires? I did a Google search and didn't find any info?
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 04:10 AM
Layson's carries them as do several other vendors
Lectric Limited
Posted By: 71redcuda
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 08:15 AM
Scott,really great pic and information.
Posted By: FJR doc
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 01:40 PM
Is the engine paint from Frank Badalsan? No hardener or primer? The sheen looks dead on to my block.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 04:10 PM
Yes that is Frank Badelson's paint, right out of the can (thinned as recommended in his instructions) with no additives.
Posted By: Mopucky
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 05:37 PM
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Yes that is Frank Badelson's paint, right out of the can (thinned as recommended in his instructions) with no additives.
Scott what did you thin it with? I bought it from Frank and didn't get any instructions.
Also Would you suspect that all water pump and timing cover bolts were painted and then backed out and re-attached for A/C components as well?
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 06:00 PM
I don't remember the mix off hand but I added some enamel reducer to thin it up a little, it is pretty thick out of the can. I think you could spray it right out of the can with no issues, it just flows a little better with a bit of reducer added.
On the A/C bolts, I haven't seen a survivor with air to confirm so I can't say. Bolts that pass through the water pump housing were likely painted and reused IF they were long enough to work as retainers for the A/C components, if not new longer bolts would have been installed with the A/C parts.
Posted By: autoxcuda
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 07:45 PM
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On the A/C bolts, I haven't seen a survivor with air to confirm so I can't say. Bolts that pass through the water pump housing were likely painted and reused IF they were long enough to work as retainers for the A/C components, if not new longer bolts would have been installed with the A/C parts.
Troy just did a fairly unmolested 71 A/C 340 auto N95 car. He may have pics and remember to corroborate other findings.
Posted By: 5carguy
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/20/14 11:20 PM
Were all the power steering pump pulleys sloted?Was the solid pulley correct too? TIA
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/21/14 12:03 AM
On A-bodies the slotted stye is all I've seen, B-E body cars I've seen had the solid pulley. I'm not sure how much if any cross over there was.
Posted By: 5carguy
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/21/14 12:10 AM
Great information.Thanks
Posted By: Mopucky
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/21/14 12:18 AM
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Were all the power steering pump pulleys sloted?Was the solid pulley correct too? TIA
My pulley is solid
Posted By: mopars_1
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/21/14 01:46 AM
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On A-bodies the slotted stye is all I've seen, B-E body cars I've seen had the solid pulley. I'm not sure how much if any cross over there was.
I dont know if you remember the unmolested 71 340 hemi orange duster I had, but that had a solid pulley..
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/21/14 03:23 AM
I don't recall that car, are you sure the pump was original? Did it have a cooler? Do you have any pics?
Posted By: chrisf
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/21/14 04:31 PM
thanks for taking the time to post those Scott. saved them all as a reference for my engine.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/21/14 04:43 PM
No problem, if any of you need more of something specific just ask.
Posted By: denfireguy
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/21/14 10:47 PM
I think this should go into the Tech Archive.
Posted By: Mopucky
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/21/14 11:29 PM
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I think this should go into the Tech Archive.
Scott put up a lot of great info here!
Posted By: dan9
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/22/14 03:42 PM
Thanks for the great detail pics. I am just curious in this pic did you mean belt or bolt? I was wondering why you would change a bolt for show or street use.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/22/14 03:46 PM
Belt, just a typo
Posted By: FJR doc
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/24/14 02:58 PM
Scott
My 1970 Duster 340 had the same oil pressure sending unit as yours. It is an automatic car. The engine also had a Prestolite dual point distributor that I switched out when I was in high school.
I didn;t inspect the sending unit for date codes. I always assumed it was original to the engine.
Posted By: 5carguy
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/24/14 05:45 PM
My oil sending unit has 80 on one flat and G0 on another.What would be the date code?Are these replateable?
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/24/14 05:53 PM
The G0 is the date (July 1970). Yes I can replate them (I did that to my example pictured). As far as which style is correct manual vs auto, the auto versions Ive seen were the more compact style. Im not sure why.
Posted By: 1972CudaV21
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/25/14 06:35 PM
Good information...thanks!
Posted By: Mopucky
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/27/14 04:09 PM
Scott so is the negative cable painted on the engine like a big block?
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/27/14 06:01 PM
Not on an orange painted engine (Windsor Plant) but I've seen evidence that points towards blue engines (Mound Road) having been painted with the cables attached, same goes for plug wire plastic looms
Posted By: Mopucky
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/27/14 06:59 PM
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Not on an orange painted engine (Windsor Plant) but I've seen evidence that points towards blue engines (Mound Road) having been painted with the cables attached, same goes for plug wire plastic looms
Great thanks for the info. I'm having it painted now. I'll try posting pics when it's done.
Posted By: 5carguy
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/28/14 12:27 AM
I was looking at the oil sending unit in your picture and noticed the bell housing bolts had lock washers on them.Any chance of a picture of the bolt heads?
My car came with a scattershield.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/28/14 12:39 AM
Sure, here are a few, this is an original paint engine, absolutely original bolts, etc. ........And no, it's not an "H" head like all of the supposedly "OE correct" engine fastener kits come with
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/28/14 12:40 AM
Reverse wire clip
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Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/28/14 12:40 AM
Bell
Posted By: 5carguy
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 04/28/14 12:53 AM
You are a wealth of information sir.I thank you very much.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/02/14 10:17 PM
More pics to follow soon
Posted By: 5carguy
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/03/14 12:02 AM
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More pics to follow soon
I can't wait.Bring them on
Posted By: FJR doc
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/03/14 03:16 PM
Scott. The driver side exhaust manifold used the heat shield/ gasket. Am I correct that the factory didn't use a gasket on the passenger side exhaust manifold.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/03/14 03:17 PM
FJR, that is correct
Posted By: FJR doc
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/03/14 03:22 PM
Wow that was fast!! Did you do anything to your exhaust manifolds other than cleaning them up and painting them with engine paint?
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/03/14 03:23 PM
This set has been extrude honed for more flow but otherwise no.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/03/14 04:12 PM
The following details overlap with some of the items I already posted on other threads but you might find them helpful. Keep in mind that this is a 1971 engine assembled at the Windsor Ontario plant in September of 1970. These details varied with year, time of year, and plant throughout 340 production. This is a very original "survivor engine" only a very short list of items have ever been changed on it.
Here is one of the exhaust manifold bolt head markings, there were a couple different ones used on this engine
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/03/14 04:14 PM
Here is another one. This is the "Dog Bone Bolt" same bolt used for 1970-71 Hemi Carburetor hold down bolts only rather than being black phosphate as on my example, the carb bolts were clear zinc plated. This engine didn't have any of the commonly called "correct" "H" head marking bolts.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/03/14 04:15 PM
Another look
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/03/14 04:17 PM
The 3rd style exhaust manifold bolt
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/03/14 04:20 PM
The Engine mount bolts had "RBW" on the heads
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/03/14 04:21 PM
Intake Bolts have an "E" on most of them
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/03/14 04:23 PM
Lots of good clues on this original throttle bracket
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/03/14 04:26 PM
There are still some questions about distributors being installed before or after paint. The clues this engine provides helped me decide which way to go on my engine. The small amount of paint all the way down to the inner lip of the seal area leads me to believe the distributor was not installed but rather, a plug was inserted into the open hole to keep paint out of the engine. Had the distributor been in place the steel base flange would have likely covered and protected this area.
*Notice how the previous owner added the "dandelion seed" oil additive
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/03/14 05:22 PM
Power Steering Bracket bolts were just plain with 3 hash marks (grade 5)
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/03/14 05:23 PM
Alternator bolts were a mix, this "F" bolt was used as a water pump bolt when the engine was painted and reused when the alternator was added.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/03/14 05:25 PM
This is the "Long" upper alternator bolt
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/03/14 05:26 PM
Alternator, lower bolt is also an "F" bolt
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/03/14 05:29 PM
Negative battery cable was added after paint, bolt has an "E" head marking and was plated a light gold/zinc. That yellow paint you see is the original machining/assembly markings showing through the original thin orange paint.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/03/14 05:31 PM
Valve cover bolts all has an "E" head marking
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/03/14 05:32 PM
Crank pulley details
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/03/14 05:34 PM
Power steering bracket bolt head "A" served double duty as a lower water pump attaching pulley and was painted with the engine before the bracket was added.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/03/14 05:36 PM
Carb retention bolts were "RSC" bolts and not an "H" head bolt as often promoted by "OE Correct" bolt sellers.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/03/14 05:38 PM
In case you get into an argument about what color your fan clutch seal should be, this example was red, I've also seen black ones but I couldn't verify what year they came off of.
Posted By: mopars_1
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/05/14 08:25 AM
Hey Scott, I was reading through this post again and saw you wanted a picture of the power steering pump on my old duster. This car didn't have any performance axle package, just a 3.23 peg leg car. Hard to see, but it is a solid pulley on it.. It was a relatively original car with very few things replaced over the years, water pump being one of the few things. still retained the original heater hoses, spark plug wires, and even plugs..
Posted By: Mopucky
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/05/14 05:03 PM
Very good info Scott Thanks for posting! I've referenced this many times now.
Posted By: FJR doc
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/16/14 01:55 PM
Scott,
I thought I had read that the power steering pump cap was painted black originally. The poor paint job didn't stick very well and usually flaked off like the dipstick. I can't tell in your post if yours is painted black.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/16/14 02:20 PM
Yes it's painted black, can, cap, cast iron body, cooler, and brackets, all black.
Posted By: mccannix
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/16/14 05:37 PM
Scott
Is the fan stenciled or stamped..
I know what it should be, but I've seen it both ways on two different what were presented as, original 71 A-body 340's.
Thanks
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/16/14 05:54 PM
Ive only seen ink stamped on original 71's, however most Ive seen were early engines from the Windsor plant, that might have changed after the move to Mound Road.
Posted By: 71vert340
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 05/30/14 07:24 AM
I was following this post because I knew I'd be pulling the water pump on my 71 Challenger 340 which I've owned since June 1972. I pulled the water pump yesterday and have looked at the bolts Scott has shown and mine has the same bolts. I changed the water pump in May 1974 but reused all the parts except the pump. My car has a build date of Dec 1970 at Hamtramck plant. Here's what I found. My fan clutch has a part number of 3462112 painted on it and has a blue seal. There's a white paint stamp on the fan which says "engine side". The bolts for the water pump also have nylon inserts drilled into the threads to lock the bolt in except for the top center bolt. That's what I've been able to check so far.
Terry
Posted By: 71vert340
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 06/02/14 12:00 AM
I'll see if I can add pictures to my post above. Let's see if it works.
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Posted By: 71vert340
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 06/02/14 12:01 AM
And another pic to above.
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Posted By: 71vert340
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 06/02/14 02:03 AM
Since we're looking at small block details, I'll enclose a pic of the water pump I just pulled off. It was installed in 1974. The number on it is 2951571-3-05102. It has the pentastar on it but is different than the rebuilt one. Is it a genuine Mopar part or an aftermarket produced part? I can't remember where I bought it in Tacoma Wa. I asked this on another Mopar site but got no response. Thanks.
Terry
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Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 06/02/14 02:16 AM
Water pump looks to be authentic Mopar, but a later replacement casting number. The fan looks the same as the few I have. Can you make out the digits on the center of the fan clutch (date code - G17A ?).
Posted By: 71vert340
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 06/02/14 02:27 AM
It's either G17A or 617A. Looks closer to a G but hard to tell. It's going back together tomorrow as I want to get it in the TriCities Mopar show next weekend in Richland. I'm glad I took pictures of this while apart. I almost cleaned and painted the Fan/clutch assembly but decided to leave it as is so as not to lose the original stamps. Thanks.
Terry.
Posted By: 71vert340
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 06/02/14 02:29 AM
The freshly painted fan on the right is a six vane pump. I was going to install it but when I pulled the pump I installed in 1974, it's an 8 vane. I'll probably send it out to be restored by the company that did the one on the right.
Posted By: FJR doc
Re: 1971 340 Cuda Engine Paint Details - 06/06/14 02:03 PM
Scott
Do you have any pictures of your detailed power steering box? I will be sending mine out to Firm Feel for rebuilding and will need to detail it once I get it back.
Kevin