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restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare??
Posted By: Anonymous
restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/27/08 11:58 PM
We are in the process of restoring a decent shape 70 chally convertible that has numbers matching engine and trans and has a broadcast sheet as well. The car is a 318 car with a factory white paint, black convert top, and factory RED interior. Now from what I have been hearing, the red interiors were pretty rare. Would anyone have any break downs as to how many chally converts or even challengers in general in 1970 came with a RED interior? If we find some kind of documentation as to how many were made, it might give us some incentive to go all out on the resto trying to get correct marking items such as heater hoses, rad hoses, bolts, etc.
Any help or leads would be greatly appreciated.
Brian
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/28/08 01:07 AM
I think Red interiors are probably more common in 70 Challenger verts than any other Mopar of that vintage...
Posted By: ademon
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/28/08 01:17 AM
but still very rare and super cool.
Posted By: HemiChallenger
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/28/08 07:45 AM
There is no breakdown available. People can throw out numbers on there colors but its just BS. There are no records on these cars except for total production and a breakdown of engine/trans, R/T, hardtop and vert...
Steve
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/28/08 01:58 PM
put it this way theres were alot of challenger conv made way more than the cuda, challenger verts are a dime a dozen and dont sell at high prices when restored.. people ask alot for them but they just dont sell, chargers were even worse!!!
Posted By: EV2DEMON
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How ra - 12/28/08 04:10 PM
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put it this way theres were alot of challenger conv made way more than the cuda, challenger verts are a dime a dozen and dont sell at high prices when restored.. people ask alot for them but they just dont sell, chargers were even worse!!!
What??? 
Posted By: HemiChallenger
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How ra - 12/28/08 04:17 PM
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put it this way theres were alot of challenger conv made way more than the cuda, challenger verts are a dime a dozen and dont sell at high prices when restored.. people ask alot for them but they just dont sell, chargers were even worse!!!
What???
They never made charger verts dude. Unless you count the customized one that a member on here owns. Even in its mag article it states 1 of none
Posted By: DodgeMaterial
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/28/08 04:32 PM
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put it this way theres were alot of challenger conv made way more than the cuda, challenger verts are a dime a dozen and dont sell at high prices when restored.. people ask alot for them but they just dont sell, chargers were even worse!!!
Actually 3884 Challenger Convertibles and 2501 Barracuda Convertibles were produced (per my 2 minutes of Google research)... so there are a few more Dodges than Plymouths. But as far as value - since you are selling them so cheap - I'll take 8 dozen since I have 80 cents in my pocket! What a silly statement to say about price or value. What does that have to do with this thread? Red interiors are less common than the most common black interiors though. Dave
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/28/08 06:18 PM
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put it this way theres were alot of challenger conv made way more than the cuda, challenger verts are a dime a dozen and dont sell at high prices when restored.. people ask alot for them but they just dont sell, chargers were even worse!!!
Wow!! That explains why the guy thought I was an idiot the other day when I turned down his offer on my car... 
Posted By: Grizzly
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/28/08 06:41 PM
resq302 (Brian):
How about some pictures? Let's see what you get to start with!
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/28/08 09:56 PM
duhhh not saying chargers were convs just meant they were junk and prob the uglyest cars ever built, not worth restoring 1 of those, stick with the challegers and cudas!!! ps not the 68 and 69 chargers just 70 to 74!!! bad very bad!!
Posted By: 340SIX
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/28/08 10:54 PM
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duhhh not saying chargers were convs just meant they were junk and prob the uglyest cars ever built, not worth restoring 1 of those, stick with the challegers and cudas!!! ps not the 68 and 69 chargers just 70 to 74!!! bad very bad!!
You will be making tons of friends with statements like this 
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/28/08 11:44 PM
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resq302 (Brian):
How about some pictures? Let's see what you get to start with!
I'll see what I can dig up from what I posted over at Dodgecharger.com and Cuda-challenger.com when we got the car.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? *DELETED* - 12/29/08 01:06 AM
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Posted By: Anonymous
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/29/08 01:29 AM
pics
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/29/08 01:31 AM
more
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/29/08 01:32 AM
still more
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/29/08 01:33 AM
number 4
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/29/08 01:34 AM
last one (at least for now)
Posted By: Kam*Kuda
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/29/08 01:47 AM
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number 4
Sweet combo
Posted By: BigMoneyLewis
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/29/08 01:59 AM
BEAUTIFUL car ! My advice it to restore it as corectly as you can . It's a very desirable color combo, don't let anybody tell you different.
Nobody has a production breakdown on red interior convertibles, but you can be pretty confident knowing most were probably FE5 or TX9 exterior .
Probably Not many EW1 with red interior.
I would restore it as a numbers matching 318 car.
I would not dream of altering it in any way.
Greg
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Posted By: a12superbee
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/29/08 02:01 AM
You're taking this car apart to re-do?
Sure is pretty, but I can kinda see why there are fewer of them.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/29/08 02:06 AM
Very cool to see one that has not been cloned to into something else too.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/29/08 02:30 AM
Greg, the 8 track radio you restored was for this car!
The only thing dad has planned for this car was a couple of bolt ons that can easily be removed to put it back to factory in an hour or so. But rest assured, they are correct mopar dated parts for the application too. The car will basically retain its numbers matching block but have 340 parts on it such as a cast iron 4 bbl 340 intake (correctly numbered too) and correct 340 dual snorkleless air cleaner housing. The nice thing is that all of the factory 318 parts were included with the sale of the car to us. They are nicely tucked away in the basement in the event that we need to put them on for a concours meet. Till then, we will be having fun with added performance from the car.
Posted By: G-Money1320
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/29/08 03:03 AM
That looks awesome white with the red interior.
Here are some pics of my red/red Challenger /6 convert I am going to restore. Got it from the original owner with docs. and all numbers matching. Greg
Posted By: 68Cbarge
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/29/08 03:24 AM
It is not rare but not as common as black.
I had seen many a green interior too-but most got swapped out for black or white.
My friend's 1970 A66 Challenger (340/727,3.23 SureGrip) car.
His Dad bought it new off the showroom floor.
After a 25 year wait,the car was completely restored.
Pics showing it October 2007 when completed.
Posted By: 68Cbarge
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/29/08 03:29 AM
From the Nottman Mopar Magic show 2007..
Posted By: 68Cbarge
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/29/08 03:37 AM
Us Canadians must like our red interiors,eh?? LOL
From Brampton Spring Fling 2007
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/29/08 03:40 AM
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You're taking this car apart to re-do?
Sure is pretty, but I can kinda see why there are fewer of them.
Just to clarify, the entire car is not being redone. There are some fitment issues with the body panels which are being addressed as the early repro quarter panels did not fit well to where the rear valence was and the recessed area where the gas cap was is a bad stamping and not crisp lines like it should have been like original so we found an original "patch" panel and had that welded in. Now the gas cap actually sits flush with the body now. BIG improvement compared to what it had been. Also, things that should have been painted body color weren't prior to us buying the car when it was restored how many years ago. Items such as hood hinges, bolts for fender to inner fender, etc. And other items that were painted body color that were either natural or zinc from the factory will be put back to factory appearance.
Posted By: 68Cbarge
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/29/08 12:10 PM
I knew someone would ask me that.
Yes,she is an early build.
From what my friend remembers (he was just a kid at that time), his Dad bought it fall of 1969.
During the 80's the car was "fixed up" and the original fenders were replaced with fiberglass units and the tag is long gone.
The car is all numbers matching.
I cannot remember the casting dates from the motor/trans right about now.
Despite the loss of the fender tag,the car is a family heirloom.More sentimental value than anything.From day one it remained in the family.
Posted By: jrwoodjoe
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/29/08 01:46 PM
I came very close to buying a 70 R/T 383 Hardtop car that was factory Red/Red with White sidestripe. The red interior was very cool and is something you don't see often. I don't recall the color of the steering column but if anyone is interested I can probably find out.
Joe
Posted By: EV2DEMON
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How ra - 12/29/08 02:12 PM
I thought steering column color was dependent upon what dash the car had? Black for standard cluster, colored for rallye cluster.
Posted By: 375inStroke
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/29/08 02:42 PM
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put it this way theres were alot of challenger conv made way more than the cuda, challenger verts are a dime a dozen and dont sell at high prices when restored.. people ask alot for them but they just dont sell, chargers were even worse!!!
No one wants them. Don't expect to sell it for anywhere near what you're going to spend on it. If I were you, I'd get a 'Cuda instead and I'll help you out with getting rid of your Dodge.
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Red interiors are less common than the most common black interiors though. Dave
That's because no one wants them. I'd order a complete black interior for that car. A convertible deserves nothing less.
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duhhh not saying chargers were convs just meant they were junk and prob the uglyest cars ever built, not worth restoring 1 of those, stick with the challegers and cudas!!! ps not the 68 and 69 chargers just 70 to 74!!! bad very bad!!
The '68 and '69 were junk too.
Does anyone understand sarcasm?
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How ra - 12/29/08 04:29 PM
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I thought steering column color was dependent upon what dash the car had? Black for standard cluster, colored for rallye cluster.
Red interior cars are the exception. Red interior cars that I have broadcast sheet copies for show red colums in some std. cluster E-Bodies built early in the 1970 model year.
Posted By: 68Cbarge
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/29/08 11:33 PM
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Are all of those cars factory red interiors?
The silver Hemi clone I am not sure of ,but the black droptop is a factory red interior car.I talked to him in detail in regards to the grain of the vinyl in the seats and style of carpet for reference for my friends car.
Ever try looking for a 1970 only console in red??? Not easy. 
Posted By: rrunner
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/30/08 01:01 AM
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dont need freinds on here, have too many as it is!!
Then why are you here? Nobody likes a AS****E, so I can't see how you would have many freinds to begin with!
Posted By: Diego (not Ted)
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How ra - 12/30/08 03:13 AM
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There is no breakdown available. People can throw out numbers on there colors but its just BS. There are no records on these cars except for total production and a breakdown of engine/trans, R/T, hardtop and vert...
I can suggest that approximately 137 JH27 cars built to US specs came with a red interior. This doesn't include Canadian or export cars, so it's not total production. That's 5.4% of US ragtops!
Posted By: Finoke
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/30/08 05:56 AM
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Us Canadians must like our red interiors,eh?? LOL
From Brampton Spring Fling 2007
A little of topic, but.... Any pictures of the black challenger vert, with the hood down? I've been toying with the idea of a red shaker bubble on a cuda that I'm painting black.
Posted By: MrNormTA
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/30/08 03:14 PM
Red consoles are indeed hard to find! I have 3 currently and 1 is perfect in everyway. I picked it up just in case mine ever got damaged.
Posted By: v8punch
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare?? - 12/31/08 12:35 PM
I don't now how rare this is, but I now how good this look!!!
Posted By: KISSAlien
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How ra - 12/31/08 05:19 PM
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I thought steering column color was dependent upon what dash the car had? Black for standard cluster, colored for rallye cluster.
Red interior cars are the exception. Red interior cars that I have broadcast sheet copies for show red colums in some std. cluster E-Bodies built early in the 1970 model year.
As Barry mentioned early build red interiors seem to be the exception. However I am not sure if it's actually the rallye dash or the woodgrain trim that causes the column to be color keyed to the interior. I'm thinking it might be the later.
J64 (woodgrain dash applique) was a standalone option on the base Challenger. I had only ever seen this option on black interior cars but I did get an email from someone who had a different color interior. I can't remember the interior color or the column color right now but if I find the info I'll post it.
Posted By: G-Money1320
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How ra - 01/01/09 02:07 AM
The scheduled build on mine is 903 and as you can see from the pics it has the red column with the standard dash and no wood applique. On line 3 of the build codes on the buildsheet,right in the steering column it clearly states E5. The only thing I dont get on my car (and a few others) is why have a complete red interior but black seat belts? Anybody have a clue as to why that is? Also maybe Barry can answer this, on line 5 at the end in the boxes 1 2 3 there is a 14 in box 2 and 60 in box 3. What might those codes be? Thanks for any info and everyone have Safe & Happy New Year!! Greg
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How ra - 01/01/09 02:11 AM
Those reference the broadcast sheet print time.
14 60 in those locations;
14 - 14th print hour that day
60 - 60th minute that hour. (they used 100 minute hours for these)
Sadly, they did not record the actual day the sheet was printed.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How ra - 01/01/09 02:33 AM
When I was chatting with Mike Ross of B,E, & A body resto shop, he said the early cars could have had black seat belts and black carpeting in red cars for some reason. Our car, as you can see in the pics, has a black carpet. I'd love to figure out if it had a black carpet originally. Since our broadcast sheet is on a 1969 format, and the codes are 1970 style coding, it is hard for me to match them up and figure them out.
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How ra - 01/01/09 03:02 AM
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I'd love to figure out if it had a black carpet originally. Since our broadcast sheet is on a 1969 format, and the codes are 1970 style coding, it is hard for me to match them up and figure them out.
Go to this link http://www.moparts.org/Tech/ find the 70 build sheet, print it out & put your codes in the boxes as they are printed on the 69 form...
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How ra - 01/01/09 04:29 AM
Ok, I just tried to do it and here is a scan of the broadcast sheet. Most of the lines can not be just transferred over such as lines 4 and on. Here is a scan of the broadcast sheet. See what everyone here thinks. Hopefully someone can decode it all for me.
Posted By: Mike Mancini
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How ra - 01/01/09 04:36 AM
All 12 of the 8_02 built promo red/red 440-6 R/T verts had red interiors w/ black columns. It seems to be an early production characteristic.
Mike Mancini
Posted By: Mike Mancini
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How ra - 01/01/09 04:39 AM
pic
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How ra - 01/01/09 04:48 AM
I thought the biggest engine in a Challenger convert that you could have gotten was a 383?
Posted By: 6bblgt
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How ra - 01/01/09 04:52 AM
engine question discussed here:
Challenger conv. ENGINES??
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How ra - 01/01/09 04:54 AM
Ok, so I was right then.
Posted By: Mike Mancini
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How ra - 01/01/09 05:12 AM
no the 440, 440-6 and hemi was avail in RT's
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How ra - 01/01/09 05:15 AM
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Ok, so I was right then.
The deal is No R/T in 71...So nothing bigger then 383 Magnum...
1970 there was a Challenger R/T Vert so you could get 440, 440-6 & 426 Hemi....
Posted By: Mike Mancini
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How ra - 01/01/09 05:31 AM
Correct! I was referring to 1970's since that is the post title.
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How ra - 01/01/09 05:35 AM
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Correct! I was referring to 1970's since that is the post title.
I knew that, just thought Brian could use an E body education...
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How ra - 01/01/09 05:39 AM
Its late and I am busy at work at the good ol' police dept. I indavertently confused the 70 and 71 model years with the maximum engine size in the converts.
Posted By: KISSAlien
Re: restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How ra - 01/02/09 06:26 PM
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I thought steering column color was dependent upon what dash the car had? Black for standard cluster, colored for rallye cluster.
Red interior cars are the exception. Red interior cars that I have broadcast sheet copies for show red colums in some std. cluster E-Bodies built early in the 1970 model year.
As Barry mentioned early build red interiors seem to be the exception. However I am not sure if it's actually the rallye dash or the woodgrain trim that causes the column to be color keyed to the interior. I'm thinking it might be the later.
J64 (woodgrain dash applique) was a standalone option on the base Challenger. I had only ever seen this option on black interior cars but I did get an email from someone who had a different color interior. I can't remember the interior color or the column color right now but if I find the info I'll post it.
I did find the sheet and the car had a burnt orange interior, standard dash, J64 and a black column so the J64 did not make the column color-keyed.