Posted By: DaveDudek
71 shaker bubble color - 12/28/13 04:46 AM
I`m doing a 71 Cuda to race in the FAST class. Just wondering what color black the shaker bubble was? maybe a paint code? or can I just buy it? where?
71 shaker bubble color
Posted By: DAYCLONA
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 12/28/13 04:56 AM
Black organsol...be patient, the debate will start soon as to what the correct texture, spray pattern, overspray, who makes the best paint match, metallic, no metallic, rough, smooth, etc, etc, etc....3,2,1,
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 12/28/13 05:02 AM
Just order some black Organosol from Frank Badelson, sixpackfrank@aol.com, it's close enough for a clone and most other cars as well.
*For the sake of argument, some 71's had silver argent bubbles but Organosol was the appointed color for 71.
*For the sake of argument, some 71's had silver argent bubbles but Organosol was the appointed color for 71.
Posted By: domingo
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 12/28/13 04:19 PM
black organosol for a 71
Posted By: Stewpar
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 12/28/13 04:49 PM
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Black organsol...be patient, the debate will start soon as to what the correct texture, spray pattern, overspray, who makes the best paint match, metallic, no metallic, rough, smooth, etc, etc, etc....3,2,1,
Sad, but true. Thank God it was just a "Clone" question or the debate would have gone on for pages, and pages, and pages.....
Posted By: DAYCLONA
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 12/28/13 04:54 PM
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Black organsol...be patient, the debate will start soon as to what the correct texture, spray pattern, overspray, who makes the best paint match, metallic, no metallic, rough, smooth, etc, etc, etc....3,2,1,
Sad, but true. Thank God it was just a "Clone" question or the debate would have gone on for pages, and pages, and pages.....
Dave never said anything about it being a clone, and even if it was, that shouldn't matter....that being said, clones are usually build to a higher "standard" anyway
Posted By: YYZ
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 12/28/13 05:35 PM
Usually black organosol but there are many documented examples that came with argent bubbles originally
Mar-Hyde or SEM satin black trim paint will have the right sheen (if not the right texture) and is a good look without breaking the bank.
Easy to apply as well...
Mar-Hyde or SEM satin black trim paint will have the right sheen (if not the right texture) and is a good look without breaking the bank.
Easy to apply as well...
Posted By: DAYCLONA
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 12/28/13 05:47 PM
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Usually black organosol but there are many documented examples that came with argent bubbles originally
Mar-Hyde or SEM satin black trim paint will have the right sheen (if not the right texture) and is a good look without breaking the bank.
Easy to apply as well...
some early cars were medium argent, and the Mar-Hyde does spray well, I usually shoot Mar-Hyde in a siphon/pressure gun with the air pressure cranked up and the fluid flow dialed back to create some texture and sheen...with varying spray techniques, the Mar-Hyde can simulate organsol or even interior suede finishes, and a very rapid dusting from a few feet away of silver metallic while wet helps in the Faux organsol finish 
Posted By: DaveDudek
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 12/28/13 08:05 PM
Thanks everybody.. it`s a real red Cuda, rally dash, buckets, air condition, 340 4-speed car.
Posted By: ryangtogtx
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 12/28/13 08:26 PM
What engine are you going to run in F.A.S.T.?
Posted By: DaveDudek
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 12/28/13 10:10 PM
Right now money is super tight for me between the cancer fight and the back surgery deal, I`m grateful I was able to grab this car as a starting point. It might come out with a 340 or a 383 combo, I`m hoping late this year. (2014) With-in a year after that it will have a HEMI. I just need time to do side work and save money to build one.
I`m guessing 3 years until I hit the top of the pack, but in the meantime my goal is to be there having fun racing what I have.
I`m guessing 3 years until I hit the top of the pack, but in the meantime my goal is to be there having fun racing what I have.
Posted By: 6bblgt
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 12/29/13 12:03 AM
With all the discussion organisol VS. argent on the 1971 e-body SHAKER bubble.
There will be every example conceivable due to 40+ years of "known" originals, NOS examples, & documented restorations - RIGHT or WRONG. Was it all due to factory or dealer mistakes/shortages/changes/etc.?
What was the designers intent (wild was in full swing while these cars were being drawn up)?. What did the penny-pinchers implement during the 12th hour (as the musclecar was dying and money was getting tight)? I've developed a little theory as to what it was intended to be.
1971 (ORIGINAL INTENT)
'Cuda w/body color painted grill = BLACK SHAKER
'Cuda w/argent grill = argent SHAKER
Challenger w/argent grill = argent SHAKER
Challenger R/T w/black grill = BLACK SHAKER
This "ORIGINAL INTENT" would've required 14 different SHAKER bubbles (w/engine call out emblems installed) to be on-hand in-quantity at the factory waiting to be installed on an e-body as it came down the line.
There will be every example conceivable due to 40+ years of "known" originals, NOS examples, & documented restorations - RIGHT or WRONG. Was it all due to factory or dealer mistakes/shortages/changes/etc.?
What was the designers intent (wild was in full swing while these cars were being drawn up)?. What did the penny-pinchers implement during the 12th hour (as the musclecar was dying and money was getting tight)? I've developed a little theory as to what it was intended to be.
1971 (ORIGINAL INTENT)
'Cuda w/body color painted grill = BLACK SHAKER
'Cuda w/argent grill = argent SHAKER
Challenger w/argent grill = argent SHAKER
Challenger R/T w/black grill = BLACK SHAKER
This "ORIGINAL INTENT" would've required 14 different SHAKER bubbles (w/engine call out emblems installed) to be on-hand in-quantity at the factory waiting to be installed on an e-body as it came down the line.
Posted By: floyd
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 12/29/13 12:05 AM
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With all the discussion organisol VS. argent on the 1971 e-body SHAKER bubble.
There will be every example conceivable due to 40+ years of "known" originals, NOS examples, & documented restorations - RIGHT or WRONG. Was it all due to factory or dealer mistakes/shortages/changes/etc.?
What was the designers intent (wild was in full swing while these cars were being drawn up)?. What did the penny-pinchers implement during the 12th hour (as the musclecar was dying and money was getting tight)? I've developed a little theory as to what it was intended to be.
1971 (ORIGINAL INTENT)
'Cuda w/body color painted grill = BLACK SHAKER
'Cuda w/argent grill = argent SHAKER
Challenger w/argent grill = argent SHAKER
Challenger R/T w/black grill = BLACK SHAKER
This "ORIGINAL INTENT" would've required 14 different SHAKER bubbles (w/engine call out emblems installed) to be on-hand in-quantity at the factory waiting to be installed on an e-body as it came down the line.
Tracks with my limited sample size. My 71 R/T came with a black shaker bubble. My non-R/T 71 came with an argent grille. Case closed
Posted By: lakerism
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 12/29/13 12:23 AM
My VERY late '71 R/T had an Argent bubble 
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 12/29/13 12:26 AM
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My VERY late '71 R/T had an Argent bubble
Yes, and AFAIK it was completely random in 71, they could have had an argent bubble rather than an Organosol bubble at any time during the 71 model year production. As stated before, Organosol was the design/intended color in 71, but argents were used as well.
Posted By: DaveDudek
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 12/29/13 12:35 AM
while I have everyone here.... 
what black was on the tail panel? just flat black?
what black was on the tail panel? just flat black?
Posted By: lakerism
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 12/29/13 12:36 AM
I think they pulled it off the parts shelf as it had a '69 date written in grease pencil on the inside...
Posted By: Stewpar
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 12/29/13 12:37 AM
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while I have everyone here....
Organosol............
Posted By: DAYCLONA
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 12/29/13 12:40 AM
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while I have everyone here....
this print applies to both 70/1 F/G series Cuda
Posted By: 1cuda
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 12/29/13 01:52 AM
the only one i`ve never come across is a red shaker on a red challenger-did they ever do that?
all the best
frank
all the best
frank
Posted By: domingo
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 12/29/13 02:52 AM
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while I have everyone here....
Organosol, just like the bubble.
I just painted the tail panel black on my cuda and clearcoated it with Glasurit flat cleatcoat...gonna do the same with the bubble I think. Easier to keep clean than organosol. Besides everybody says organosol is not right from any of the rattle can versions so....Im just going for something thats easy to keep looking nice and clean. Its just a 71 cuda CLONE so im not going nuts with those kind of details.
Posted By: DaveDudek
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 12/29/13 06:01 AM
thanks
Posted By: clonedshaker+6
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 12/29/13 06:11 PM
Dave is the car going to be a 4 speed car?
Posted By: hemicar1971
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 12/29/13 06:45 PM
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With all the discussion organisol VS. argent on the 1971 e-body SHAKER bubble.
There will be every example conceivable due to 40+ years of "known" originals, NOS examples, & documented restorations - RIGHT or WRONG. Was it all due to factory or dealer mistakes/shortages/changes/etc.?
What was the designers intent (wild was in full swing while these cars were being drawn up)?. What did the penny-pinchers implement during the 12th hour (as the musclecar was dying and money was getting tight)? I've developed a little theory as to what it was intended to be.
1971 (ORIGINAL INTENT)
'Cuda w/body color painted grill = BLACK SHAKER
'Cuda w/argent grill = argent SHAKER
Challenger w/argent grill = argent SHAKER
Challenger R/T w/black grill = BLACK SHAKER
This "ORIGINAL INTENT" would've required 14 different SHAKER bubbles (w/engine call out emblems installed) to be on-hand in-quantity at the factory waiting to be installed on an e-body as it came down the line.
I will add my 2 Cents from what is sitting in my garage.
1. 1971 Cuda, Hemi, Automatic, Dana, real car, GY9, Argent grill, painted side mirrors, black bubble, with very smooth black paint do to being washed a million times. November 1970 door sticker
2. 1971 Challenger, hemi, four speed, dana, FC7, real car, shaker, painted mirrors, silver bubble, race car now but have pictures of car first day bought home from Raceway Chrysler, Rexdale, Ontario. June 71 door sticker.
Put on what every bubble color looks the nicest to you Dave. With a silver bubble, it looks nice with certain exterior colors and certain color interiors. Black Bubble basicly looks good with any color.Nothing is set in stone in 1971 for color of bubbles. There are a few things that can be followed but someone will always come up with an odd ball. I would paint the bubble with the best paint that sticks to it and is an easy repair. You will likely be taking the bubble assembly off and on the motor quite often. I have experience in this and something or someone always ends up scratching the bubble.
Posted By: MLR426
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 12/30/13 12:34 AM
SEM Satin Trim Black would be the easiest to keep clean.
MLR426
Posted By: DaveDudek
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 12/31/13 11:15 PM
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Dave is the car going to be a 4 speed car?
Probably a auto on the column.
Posted By: Moparlang
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 01/01/14 01:08 AM
Don't forget about the infamous Bob's 71 Hemi Challenger, Argent Shaker, April build date.
Posted By: scatpacktom
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 01/01/14 09:34 PM
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Dave is the car going to be a 4 speed car?
Probably a auto on the column.
That sounds like it will suck with a 383
Posted By: P1970HeMICuDA
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 01/02/14 03:37 AM
If it's a red car, with red grille, I would just paint it red.... since they came that way in '70..... I know it's a '71 but I would go Argent if it has the Argent grille...
Posted By: hemicar1971
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 01/02/14 07:48 AM
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Don't forget about the infamous Bob's 71 Hemi Challenger, Argent Shaker, April build date.
Bob should of kept that old Black Hemi Challenger, he sure wanted that dash pad I had for the Challenger when he was restoring the car. I find Chrysler started using Argent Bubbles in around April to the end of the 1971 Build on all Challengers with shakers. Have heard a few reason why but you hear a lot of things over the years about Mopars, some true and some not and some become the truth.
Posted By: mccannix
Re: 71 shaker bubble color - 01/02/14 04:00 PM
From what I know, Argent complete assembled units with nameplates intact, were sent back to Fram in bedsteads of 60 in 1969 when the run of 1970 Challengers with shakers ceased for a period of time.
Challenger shaker option resumed again in spring of 70 but when the 70 model ended there was still a bedstead or so of argent assemblies sitting at Fram.
71 model year saw Chrysler implement the change to black scooped assemblies beginning in August 70.
Sometime in the spring of 71, whether it was a shortage or just a vendor decision, Fram decided to use up existing stock of argent from that leftover bedstead.
There may have been some argent assemblies used on earlier Challengers as well but I know of quite a few 71 factory shaker Challengers with argent scoops, built in and after April 71.
Challenger shaker option resumed again in spring of 70 but when the 70 model ended there was still a bedstead or so of argent assemblies sitting at Fram.
71 model year saw Chrysler implement the change to black scooped assemblies beginning in August 70.
Sometime in the spring of 71, whether it was a shortage or just a vendor decision, Fram decided to use up existing stock of argent from that leftover bedstead.
There may have been some argent assemblies used on earlier Challengers as well but I know of quite a few 71 factory shaker Challengers with argent scoops, built in and after April 71.