Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ?

Posted By: RJS

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 10/01/13 11:20 PM

You could cut you hands on the sharp edges. Plus they had that brownish look to them, not a clear polished color. There customer service was great and took them back without issue. IE JUNK

Posted By: MCTPhoenix

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 10/09/13 01:03 AM

OK, after having the Wheel Vintiques Brushed and Polished versions in front of me with the set from LMC truck I decided to keep the LMC truck ones. The wheel vintiques Polished ones looked like cheap chrome, the coloring didn't look "right" and they lacked the final "body line" where the trim ring changed from the edge going down toward the center of the wheel. Their Brushed ones also lacked the "body line" detail and looked like they were sanded with 100 grit paper. BOTH of the wheel vintiques rings also had very poor definition of the stamped ridge at the outer lip... like the die used to stamp them had problems. The LMC parts had that last bodyline stamped in which was just a radius in the WV parts, the lines of the stamping were crisp and not deformed like the WV parts and the coloring was a little better, IMO. They're not perfect, but they were closer than the others. Now; I'll throw a monkey wrench into the works. A friend of mine bought repro rallys and trim rings from WV several years back. His trim rings, in WV boxes, look like LMC stampings, with the extra, last bodyline in it. I tried capturing the coloring and definition of the stamping with my phone camera but was unable to do so.

Posted By: cudaized

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 10/09/13 02:24 AM

An original as reference. 1

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Posted By: cudaized

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 10/09/13 02:25 AM

An original as reference. 2

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Posted By: shakerjoe

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 10/09/13 02:58 AM

these sold a few nights ago - I missed them - http://r.ebay.com/DgsBCO good price I thought...

Posted By: mccannix

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 10/09/13 04:00 AM

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these sold a few nights ago - I missed them - http://r.ebay.com/DgsBCO good price I thought...

not a bad price for factory 6 1/2" trim rings... correct factory 7 inch ones would be plenty more.

Posted By: shakerjoe

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 10/09/13 04:06 AM

Terry, the add say's they're 3461222's - aren't they the 15x7 rings? paper tag on one in the original listing shows 3461222 - I'll have to check the paper tags on my originals tomorrow - thanks

Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 10/09/13 07:48 AM

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Terry, the add say's they're 3461222's - aren't they the 15x7 rings? paper tag on one in the original listing shows 3461222 - I'll have to check the paper tags on my originals tomorrow - thanks

I thought that 15x6.5's where sold by Mopar under 15x7 part number at least in 90's and up??

I bought a set in boxes just like that ebay add in 1989 when I was 17 years old. Still waiting to go on my 71 Challenger R/T.

Posted By: 44D6PAKCUDA

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 10/09/13 12:07 PM

Chrysler never changed the part number when they narrowed them up in the early-mid 70's.I've seen a lot of guys get burning on these.Some paying over 1K for a set of the 6 1/2" ones.Like Terry said,real NOS ones bring huge money.Last PAIR I saw went for 1500.00+

Posted By: shakerjoe

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 10/09/13 05:31 PM

WOW

Good to know...guess I shouldn't be really too surprised - thanks for the info - learn something new every day!

Posted By: mccannix

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 10/09/13 06:28 PM

Here's what to look for so as not to get taken.
Original 70-71 true 15x7 deep trim rings used this label, in this case a 1971 trim ring 3461022.
I believe true 15x7 original trim rings never came in a box, just loose in a labelled bag.

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Posted By: mccannix

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 10/09/13 06:33 PM

Using the same part number as the 15x7 ring, Chrysler sometime in the mid 70's replaced the 15x7 with a 15x6.5 and this was the label seen on the 6.5 trim ring, plus they could come boxed as shown, vendor code 20816 shown on label.

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Posted By: mccannix

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 10/09/13 06:37 PM

I believe sometime later in the 90's there was a vendor change and they were re-issued ( vendor 20818 seen on label in auction replacing 20816 ).

Posted By: moparmike1

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 10/15/13 09:30 PM

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these sold a few nights ago - I missed them - http://r.ebay.com/DgsBCO good price I thought...

I was the high bidder for these trim rings. They arrived today, I was expecting them to be 6.5 and they were which is fine with me. It's been several years since I saw a real 15x7 for sale and even then the price was too much for me. These are fine for my 72 Runner.

Mike.

Posted By: 70gtx440dana

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 10/15/13 09:57 PM

I have some battle scarred original 15" rings that I would sell to anyone wishing to try and restore them. PM me if you are interested.

Posted By: HEMIDOG 70

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 10/16/13 01:03 AM

pm sent

Posted By: rumrunner

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 10/18/13 12:36 AM

pm sent

Posted By: 69_SIX_PACK

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 10/18/13 02:38 AM

I am surprised that nobody has stepped up with a proper repop. I wouldn't mind a set for my Charger.

Does anyone have any plans to make a proper trim ring?

Dave

Posted By: Mastershake340

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 10/18/13 05:39 AM

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I am surprised that nobody has stepped up with a proper repop. I wouldn't mind a set for my Charger.

Does anyone have any plans to make a proper trim ring?

Dave

They were soon discontinued, disappeared and were forgotten within a year or two of their introduction.
I wouldn't get too optimistic waiting for anyone to try to put out another accurate reproduction.
Maybe BE&A can get some good 15x7's and 14x7's made up in China, but don't hold your breath.

I have a couple sets of originals that have the usual dings and scrapes, I wonder what it would cost to have some restored. Far more than $75-$85 each I'm guessing.

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Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 10/18/13 07:14 PM

I found these, are they old stock from the last repops?

https://www.monicattichrysler.com/comers...?idCategory=230

Posted By: Mastershake340

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 10/19/13 03:03 AM

That's where I bought a set 4 or 5 years ago shortly after they came out. I wonder if they really have any left or if they haven't updated their website in a while.

Posted By: rumrunner

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 10/19/13 03:26 PM

l will try them out .Thanks

Posted By: Mastershake340

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 10/21/13 03:01 PM

I checked with them this morning, the Chrysler Performance repops are out of stock and as I mentioned in my earlier post, canceled by Chrysler.

Posted By: jeff968

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 10/22/13 07:29 PM

Having owned these cars back in late seventies I had brushed trim rings on my 70 Challengers which had 15" ralleys. I have pictures of the cars when new and they were brushed then too.

The trim rings were a problem even way back then. I used to go to the local Dodge dealership to order them new back in 1980. When the parts came in, if the box had the blue and white Chrysler parts logo on them they were correct. If they were the Mopar red, white and blue, they were not. I was told that when they did the 15x6 wheels they made trim rings for them and used the same part number but it left that big gap when installed on a 15x7.

One day I was at the dealer when the factory rep came in. I was having this problem getting the correct trim rings and told him the story. He invited me up to the distribution center in tarrytown NY. I went up and he brought me in the back. Isles and isles of parts (like that last scene in Raiders of the lost ark

). He brought me to the correct BIN and I personnaly picked out the last 8 boxes of true 15x7 trim rings. That was 1981

I haven't seen the right ones since.

Posted By: 70runner

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 10/26/13 09:16 PM

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Sad story is that in the mid 2000's Chrysler performance did just that with the 15x7 rings. After several years of delays while they worked on tooling it, and everyone chomping at the bit promising to buy multiple sets when they were available, both the brushed and polished rings were released around 2006 or 07 under PN's P3461222 and P3461043 available through Chrysler and they were even made in the USA.
The consensus was all too predictable sadly, they aren't 110% perfect identical to the originals, at their $75 or $85 each price they were way too expensive
They were soon discontinued, disappeared and were forgotten within a year or two of their introduction.
I wouldn't get too optimistic waiting for anyone to try to put out another accurate reproduction.
Maybe BE&A can get some good 15x7's and 14x7's made up in China, but don't hold your breath.
I have a couple sets of originals that have the usual dings and scrapes, I wonder what it would cost to have some restored. Far more than $75-$85 each I'm guessing.

Picked up 4 of the 3461043 in 2006 for my 70RR. Wish I had bought more... Very nice repro IMO, no gap.

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Posted By: RP's R/T's

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 04/15/15 05:43 AM

Thought I would share an update.
I sent some trim rings to Rick Miller (recommended earlier) for restoration.
I sent them in November. He promised them in February.
It is April and he just emailed me back that he doesn't have them yet.

Apparently he sends them 'somewhere' to have them done. So, he is not the restorer, he is a middle-man.

Now, I haven't seen the work, yet, and have a little time yet before I need them. I am hopeful that when they do arrive I will be happy with the work.

Not sure how to feel about having them sent somewhere else. I realize this is how many things get done. Just wish I knew it in advance.

Stay Tuned.

Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 04/15/15 06:06 AM

Originally Posted By RP's R/T's

Yea, that s@cks, but many resto services are brokered through middleman. Just someone (middleman) finding a good inexpensive source, applying the right product to source, and also has sales skills. Tough to sniff them out and find the direct source. Sometimes they can be cracked.

But in defense, some of these shops/people doing the actual work do not like to deal with retail customers, have no sales skills, have no customer skills, and would be very unproductive without a middleman.

Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 04/15/15 06:28 PM

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But in defense, some of these shops/people doing the actual work do not like to deal with retail customers, have no sales skills, have no customer skills, and would be very unproductive without a middleman.

Having a sales "staff" to coddle the customer can/will lead to an increase in the service/product as well, and "dealing" with the "public" can be very....uhhmmm "trying" at times...DAMHIK

Posted By: AAR#2

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 04/16/15 06:32 AM

Originally Posted By Mastershake340

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I am surprised that nobody has stepped up with a proper repop. I wouldn't mind a set for my Charger.

Does anyone have any plans to make a proper trim ring?

Dave

Sad story is that in the mid 2000's Chrysler performance did just that with the 15x7 rings. After several years of delays while they worked on tooling it, and everyone chomping at the bit promising to buy multiple sets when they were available, both the brushed and polished rings were released around 2006 or 07 under PN's P3461222 and P3461043 available through Chrysler and they were even made in the USA.
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They were soon discontinued, disappeared and were forgotten within a year or two of their introduction.
I wouldn't get too optimistic waiting for anyone to try to put out another accurate reproduction.
Maybe BE&A can get some good 15x7's and 14x7's made up in China, but don't hold your breath. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frowwn.gif" alt="" />
I have a couple sets of originals that have the usual dings and scrapes, I wonder what it would cost to have some restored. Far more than $75-$85 each I'm guessing.

Rumor has it D&N Bending made the repops for MOPAR Performance. I contacted D&N who confirmed the story but was very short to provide any additional information. Specifically I requested information on the tooling used and if they had a contact that I could be in touch with concerning either tool rental with royalty or tool purchase. The general manager was less than helpful, perhaps thinking I was simply kicking tires or knowing MOPAR Performance would never agree to any such deals, though it is hard to believe they would refuse money with no risk. Either way it's a very discouraging situation that I'd like to see corrected. Perhaps one day I'll make another attempt.

Posted By: Jer

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 05/06/15 06:46 AM

This has been a great thread, thanks to all who have offered help.

So, does anyone have a detail picture of the profile of the repros versus the originals? Also, I thought I read somewhere that a quick way to tell the difference between the originals and repro is the spot-welded area on the reverse side by the valve stem hole - any idea what that might be?

Posted By: mopar346

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 05/06/15 03:03 PM

So in the end, at this time there is not an answer for a good repop or a good place to have them restored. Is this correct?

Posted By: Seventythree

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 05/08/15 02:43 AM

I received my set of original 15x7 trim rings back from Rick Miller and I will say they look extremely nice. Worth every penny and way better than dropping a small fortune on NOS trim rings. In speaking with Scott Harms about the restoration on these, my understanding is that when you separate the trim ring for restoration, the restorer needs to ensure they go back on exactly as they were when they were pre-resto or the trim ring may be off balance and appear to wobble as they go down the road. I have no way to verify this at the present moment as my rallye rims and rubber are in a storage locker in Manitoba, and my freshly restored trim rings are in Alberta. I will say that the Rick Miller restored trim rings are extremely nice and are nicer than the 14" NOS brushed trim rings I bought 2 years ago right out of the box. I should also mention I sent 3 polished trim rings and one brushed and received back 4 polished trim rings as I requested. These are going on my FC7 T/A. If I put these on eBay I'm quite certain I could sell them for double I paid for them and had them restored for. I bought all 4 used original 15x7x3 trim rings off eBay in fair condition for under $200 and spent another $400-$500 having them restored. I would have to look at what I paid Rick to get the exact amount. From what Rick told me he says Corvette/Chevy guys have been getting their trim rings restored this way for years, and mopar guys are a more skeptical bunch.

Posted By: mopar346

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 05/08/15 02:50 AM

But didn't the TA come with brushed trim rings from the factory like the AARs???

Thanks for the follow up, did yours have any serious road rash on them when you sent them to Bill?

Posted By: Seventythree

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 05/08/15 02:57 AM

Serious road rash... no. But lots of little dents. The better shape pre-resto, the better the final result. I purchased six 15x7 trim rings and sent Rick the best four. I should also add that I found Rick very professional and easy to work with. Turn around time is quite long, if I remember correctly it was 4-5 months. I do not know Rick personally and only found out about him while doing an eBay search for mopar trim rings. From what he told me there is very little profit in this for him and is only doing his part to help the collector car hobby.

Posted By: mopar346

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 05/08/15 03:10 AM

Do you know if he can get the brushed finish done as well?

Posted By: RUNCHARGER

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 05/08/15 03:29 AM

Thanks for the update. I've been thinking about trying to do it myself. It looks like a lot of time but would be a good project for the winter.

Sheldon

Posted By: RP's R/T's

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 05/09/15 01:23 PM

Seventythree, how long did Rick have your rings?
I am coming up to the 6-month mark with him and haven't heard a thing.

Posted By: Seventythree

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 05/09/15 04:05 PM

I would have to take a look but it was a while. 4-5 months but it could have been 7 months. I moved to a different province while they were away. The showed up at my new house after I moved in. I have my dash away getting restored and that has been over 1.5 years, lol.

Posted By: 71birdJ68

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 05/09/15 04:19 PM

Like I said before, and it turned out very well. I got a set of polished rings, and mounted them one at a time on an old wheel without a tire on it, and jacked the car up, and put it in gear and brushed them with 400 grit sand paper. You can control how much of a brush you want like this. It looks very good. Really even if you mess up, it won't look any worse than the brushed ones that WV sells.

Posted By: mopar346

Re: Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ? - 05/10/15 01:53 AM

What polished rings did you buy? And how fast did you allow it to spin? Wheel balancer speed? It would be safer if it's not too fast.

Correct 15" Rallye Wheel Trim Rings? Where ?