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1970 Challenger A63= Special edition? - 12/12/08 04:14 AM
Is this the option code for an SE or just a trim package?
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Is this the option code for an SE or just a trim package?
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Is this the option code for an SE or just a trim package?
Challenger SE molding group
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Is this the option code for an SE or just a trim package?
Challenger SE molding group
Just a trim package. Totally seperate from a SE.
Available in 71 also, but doesn't have the rear quarter extention to tailight one piece trim.
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[quoteThe Challenger SE model is a JH27 for 1970 only eh? I had the A63 molding package with my A66 340 package. Is that rare? LOL.
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Is this the option code for an SE or just a trim package?
Just a trim package. Totally seperate from a SE.
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Available in 71 also, but doesn't have the rear quarter extention to tailight one piece trim.
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The A63 is std on Jx29. Available on Jx2n as an extra cost option, but does NOT include the rocker moulding.
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The A63 is std on Jx29. Available on Jx2n as an extra cost option, but does NOT include the rocker moulding.
Not quite, A63 consists of...
M31 - Body Belt Mouldings - top of 1/4s, doors, fenders, and hood
no-code - Front Stone Shield Moulding
no-code - Rear/Tail Panel Astrotone Moulding
A car with A63 will have A63 & M31 on the fender tag.
These pieces that made up the A63 molding group were all standard on a SE, and for that reason, A63 was not available on the SE cars. An SE car will have M31 on the fender tag, but Not A63.
A63 was a way to order these parts on a non-SE car.
M21 drip rail moldings will be coded on all the hardtop challengers.
M26 wheel lip moldings will be on the broadcast, but not on the fender tag on all the challengers except T/A and A66.
M05 door edge protectors & M25 rocker moldings were each available seperately from everything else.
M42 front stone shield molding & M44 hood rear and fender moldings are codes that were not used for Challengers. These codes are for Chargers and other cars.
Tav
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Thanks for making that crystal clear
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I was wondering if my newly purchased A63 coded car was supposed to have the tail light trim panel.
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I believe tail panel piece is always textured argent regardless of whether the car is an R/T or not. Only the grille comes argent(non R/T) or black(R/T and T/A).
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But Barry says there are WSS T/A's.
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But Barry says there are WSS T/A's.
If you mean this Barry, I know better than that.
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This brings up a good question. A 70 model year JS23(RT) with A63, does the one pc. rear/tail Panel Astrotone Moulding remain textured Argent or is it blacked out? If it does remain textured argent, then does the grill remain textured argent to match the rear panel or black like a regular RT with out A63? Seen them restored both ways. Which is correct?
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I believee tail panel piece is always textured argent regardless of whether the car is an R/T or not. Only the grille comes argent(non R/T) or black(R/T and T/A).
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That's what I've always seen and believed. And IIRC, the parts book only has one p/n for it. If it came argent and black there would be two p/n's.
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So is A63 called out as N/A on T/A literature?
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This brings up a good question. A 70 model year JS23(RT) with A63, does the one pc. rear/tail Panel Astrotone Moulding remain textured Argent or is it blacked out? If it does remain textured argent, then does the grill remain textured argent to match the rear panel or black like a regular RT with out A63? Seen them restored both ways. Which is correct?Quote:
I believee tail panel piece is always textured argent regardless of whether the car is an R/T or not. Only the grille comes argent(non R/T) or black(R/T and T/A).Quote:
That's what I've always seen and believed. And IIRC, the parts book only has one p/n for it. If it came argent and black there would be two p/n's.
In 1970, the challenger R/T cars did Not have a blacked out tailpanel, so there was no reason to offer a blacked out A63 trim piece. A 1970 Challenger R/T with A63 will use an astrotone panel. There has been some discussion about different shades of astrotone, but I believe this to be a production variation, not something that was done intentionaly. astrotone doesn't really match the grill argent, it's a bit darker.
Tav
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So regardless of the rear panel all RT/SE and RT/A63 had black grills?
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In 1970, the challenger R/T cars did Not have a blacked out tailpanel, so there was no reason to offer a blacked out A63 trim piece. A 1970 Challenger R/T with A63 will use an astrotone panel. There has been some discussion about different shades of astrotone, but I believe this to be a production variation, not something that was done intentionaly. astrotone doesn't really match the grill argent, it's a bit darker.
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Sorry guys, I know it's not the popular opinion but my first Challenger which I bought in 1974 was an R/T SE & the tail panel was black... Can I prove the original owner didn't paint it? No.. But my uncle was the original owner of another R/T SE & it too had a black rear panel.... The rear panel on my challenger was hammered when I bought the car in 74 so I pulled the panel & replaced it... Tossed the original in the rafters of the garage... It was still there when I first saw this question was posted back around 04 & I pulled it down & checked it out.. Definately black but textured not like the astrotone but more like organisol.... I offered to send it to Ken but he had no interest because he had already made up his mind & didn't want evidence that he could be wrong..Oh when that thread was running there were probably six or seven posters who had owned R/T S.E's that said their cars had black panels dating back to at least the early eighties..I've seen the there's no part number argument before & there are dozens of other parts with out special numbers... Do they not exsist too? Anyone ever fine a part number for the molded brake booster vacuum hose? Or don't those exsist?
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I don't think A63 was availible on 70 T/A's or cars with N94 fiberglass hoods. The dealer literature I see pre dates T/A and N94 release dates.
Now for 1971 the similar A46 molding package was not availible for N94 cars. http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/imag...hallenger_4.jpg So, I would think that would apply to the 1970 A63 package also?? It's because the rear hood molding (unmodified) will not clip onto the thicker fiberglass hood.
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I also used to think that the rear hood molding wouldn't fit on the fiberglass hood, but further investigation revealed that the rear hood molding WILL fit on Original T/A hoods, but there is some difficulty installing it on a Reproduction hood. I think the reason the rear hood molding was not available with the T/A hood is simply a styling choice, similar to how some color combinations are not reccomended, they didn't want bright trim all around the blacked out hood. Dayclona has the rear hood molding installed on an original T/A hood on his 71 T/A creation.
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I wonder if Dayclona had to trim the molding to get it to fit?? Interesting...
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I know its not common. But I have a factory R/T SE that has a argent grille. I have pictures from 1970 to verify. Sometimes they just put in what they had at the time.....
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This brings up a good question. A 70 model year JS23(RT) with A63, does the one pc. rear/tail Panel Astrotone Moulding remain textured Argent or is it blacked out? If it does remain textured argent, then does the grill remain textured argent to match the rear panel or black like a regular RT with out A63? Seen them restored both ways. Which is correct?Quote:
I believee tail panel piece is always textured argent regardless of whether the car is an R/T or not. Only the grille comes argent(non R/T) or black(R/T and T/A).Quote:
That's what I've always seen and believed. And IIRC, the parts book only has one p/n for it. If it came argent and black there would be two p/n's.
In 1970, the challenger R/T cars did Not have a blacked out tailpanel, so there was no reason to offer a blacked out A63 trim piece. A 1970 Challenger R/T with A63 will use an astrotone panel. There has been some discussion about different shades of astrotone, but I believe this to be a production variation, not something that was done intentionaly. astrotone doesn't really match the grill argent, it's a bit darker.
Tav
Sorry guys, I know it's not the popular opinion but my first Challenger which I bought in 1974 was an R/T SE & the tail panel was black... Can I prove the original owner didn't paint it? No.. But my uncle was the original owner of another R/T SE & it too had a black rear panel.... The rear panel on my challenger was hammered when I bought the car in 74 so I pulled the panel & replaced it... Tossed the original in the rafters of the garage... It was still there when I first saw this question was posted back around 04 & I pulled it down & checked it out.. Definately black but textured not like the astrotone but more like orginsol (sp).... I offered to send it to Ken but he had no interest because he had already made up his mind & didn't want evidence that he could be wrong..Oh when that thread was running there were probably six or seven posters who had owned R/T S.E's that said their cars had black panels dating back to at least the early eighties..I've seen the there's no part number argument before & there are dozens of other parts with out special numbers... Do they not exsist too? Anyone ever fine a part number for the molded brake booster vacuum hose? Or don't those exsist?
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I know its not common. But I have a factory R/T SE that has a argent grille. I have pictures from 1970 to verify. Sometimes they just put in what they had at the time.....
What color is the car?
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I wonder if Dayclona had to trim the molding to get it to fit?? Interesting...
When I talked with him about it, he said that he didn't have to modify the hood or the trim. Tight fit, but it went right on.
I happened to have an ASC&P reproduction hood & original rear hood trim laying around back then, so I checked the fit myself. It's real close to fitting on the reproduction hood, but won't quite go without thinning the repro hood in just a couple spots.
Tav
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I used the stock steel 1970 hood trim, with the standard length studs/nuts,.....no trimming was needed on my hood, except where I added the rear edge SE/belt trim, that just needed a thinning of the glass for the trim to snap on, but my hood is a Fiberglass Trends repro, a very nice/accurate repro that I installed around 1980
Mike