Posted By: 44D6PAKCUDA
Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/25/12 03:56 PM
Were wheel opening moldings optional on '70 Hemi Cudas or not available because of the rolled lip front fenders?
Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings?
Posted By: biggE
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/25/12 04:13 PM
Early built cars got them as part of the cuda package through at least mid October build. They were droped sometime after that, I assume because of having to modify the front mouldings for tire clearance.
Posted By: sbcjd
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/26/12 12:49 AM
My car was built in December 1969 and it came with wheel opening moldings.
Posted By: Race&Resto
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/26/12 11:35 PM
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Were wheel opening moldings optional on '70 Hemi Cudas or not available because of the rolled lip front fenders?
Do you own one, post some photos of yours if you have any with or without the moldings.
Posted By: 44D6PAKCUDA
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/27/12 01:51 AM
Do you own one, post some photos of yours if you have any with or without the moldings.
What a brilliant idea.I never thought of that.FI
Posted By: 6bblgt
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/27/12 02:14 AM
M26 "wheel lip mouldings" were STANDARD on the '70 'Cuda (HEMI included).
at the begining of the model year:
HEMI'Cudas were Hamtramck built with wheel lip mouldings & shipped offsite to have the fenders rolled & wheel lip mouldings "hacked" to fit
at some point during the model year:
Factory installed rolled "HEMI FENDER" became STANDARD on HEMI'Cudas - some with and some without wheel lip mouldings both on the car and broadcast sheet
by the end of the model year:
HEMI'Cudas had factory rolled "HEMI FENDER" with NO wheel lip mouldings
FWIW: an original idea for the AAR'Cudas (& T/As) was to have G60-15 Polyglas GT tires on all 4 corners - this would have made it necessary for the same rolled fenders (& NO wheel lip mouldings) to be used - this didn't happen but it is the reason you will see factory original rolled fenders on some AARs.
at the begining of the model year:
HEMI'Cudas were Hamtramck built with wheel lip mouldings & shipped offsite to have the fenders rolled & wheel lip mouldings "hacked" to fit
at some point during the model year:
Factory installed rolled "HEMI FENDER" became STANDARD on HEMI'Cudas - some with and some without wheel lip mouldings both on the car and broadcast sheet
by the end of the model year:
HEMI'Cudas had factory rolled "HEMI FENDER" with NO wheel lip mouldings
FWIW: an original idea for the AAR'Cudas (& T/As) was to have G60-15 Polyglas GT tires on all 4 corners - this would have made it necessary for the same rolled fenders (& NO wheel lip mouldings) to be used - this didn't happen but it is the reason you will see factory original rolled fenders on some AARs.
Posted By: 44D6PAKCUDA
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/27/12 02:43 AM
Dan-Thanks for the education once again.Always great info. 
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/27/12 02:48 AM
Has any proof of this;
ever surfaced?
Quote:
shipped offsite
ever surfaced?
Posted By: RSNOMO
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/27/12 03:46 AM
Yes...
There's a coupla guys that are on here occasionally that worked at Creative...
There's a coupla guys that are on here occasionally that worked at Creative...
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/27/12 03:49 AM
When I asked one of them, he had no proof.
No one else at the time did either, but that thread was about a year ago.
So, I am asking again, just in case.
No one else at the time did either, but that thread was about a year ago.
So, I am asking again, just in case.
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/27/12 04:11 AM
Quote:
When I asked one of them, he had no proof.
No one else at the time did either, but that thread was about a year ago.
So, I am asking again, just in case.
Thirty years ago I was in the Navy & worked on subs.... Seems like the kind of thing you'd keep pictures of.... (Proof)... Well most of the time I was busy doing my job & on the one occasion that I did try taking a few pictures I was read the riot act by my Commanding Officer... I know working in a manufacturing facility doesn't have quite the security implications of a nuclear sub, but I know from my experience working in industrial facilities that plant staff gets funny about photos.... So it isn't a stretch to think photos were frowned on back in 1970.... Fact is I know guys are always asking about photos taken in auto assembly plants from back in the day & very few show up... Most that do are public relations shots..... It wasn't worth losing a decent job to take a few photos that likely wouldn't mean much to anyone anyway....
Posted By: RSNOMO
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/27/12 04:28 AM
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When I asked one of them, he had no proof.
Define 'proof'...
Posted By: 6bblgt
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/27/12 04:36 AM
I don't think there is going to be courtroom proof of some of the things that happened ..... but there is supporting evidence.
Just think what the quality of indoor flash personal instamatic camera technology was circa 1970.
Did anyone go to school in 1970? ..... got pics & we're not talking the school yearbook pic or "class" pic.
Just think what the quality of indoor flash personal instamatic camera technology was circa 1970.
Did anyone go to school in 1970? ..... got pics & we're not talking the school yearbook pic or "class" pic.
Posted By: hemiviper588
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/27/12 04:56 AM
My Hemi Cuda had them....here is a 1979 pic.
Posted By: 6bblgt
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/27/12 04:57 AM
I believe the basis of the early in the model year "CREATIVE" modified fenders story is true, although I do question some of the "ALL" & "NEVER" parts.
Here is an original paint A13-spd '70 HEMI'Cuda fender
Here is an original to the car, September '70, 1971 HEMI'Cuda fender
It looks to me - like the same procedure was used to "roll" the lip, some originals are very different.
Here is an original paint A13-spd '70 HEMI'Cuda fender
Here is an original to the car, September '70, 1971 HEMI'Cuda fender
It looks to me - like the same procedure was used to "roll" the lip, some originals are very different.
Posted By: AARCONV
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/27/12 05:04 AM
where on the broadcast sheet would it say wheel opening moldings?
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/27/12 05:05 AM
The part that baffles me - Why would Chrysler send these cars out for such a simple procedure?
I have heard two versions of the 'story'.
1. They were shipped out to Creative for this, but that same source said that the AAR & T/A hoods were made at Creative, but they were marked 'Made in Canada'.
2. That a 'tool' for this modification was designed by Creative for use in the plant on the Cudas. This source said that it was used on all AARs, when it is clearly not the case looking at original sheet metal cars.
So, proof anyone? I would love to see it if it exists.
I have heard two versions of the 'story'.
1. They were shipped out to Creative for this, but that same source said that the AAR & T/A hoods were made at Creative, but they were marked 'Made in Canada'.
2. That a 'tool' for this modification was designed by Creative for use in the plant on the Cudas. This source said that it was used on all AARs, when it is clearly not the case looking at original sheet metal cars.
So, proof anyone? I would love to see it if it exists.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/27/12 05:09 AM
Quote:
where on the broadcast sheet would it say wheel opening moldings?
Line 9 - M26.
Most, but not all AARs are coded M27 for 'wheel lip molding delete'
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/27/12 05:13 AM
Dan, in your two examples, any theories on why one had wheel lip moldings installed while one did not?
Posted By: 6bblgt
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/27/12 05:20 AM
One is a '70 that was delivered with wheel lip mouldings, the other is a '71 that was delivered without.
Posted By: RSNOMO
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/27/12 05:46 AM
I've known the two guys I'm referring to that worked at Creative for a lot of years...
We've had beaucoup discussions over time about what happened with the E-bodies...And the Wing Cars...
All they can offer is an eyewitness account...
If yer looking for some shots from somebody's SX-70, I highly doubt it...
We've had beaucoup discussions over time about what happened with the E-bodies...And the Wing Cars...
All they can offer is an eyewitness account...
If yer looking for some shots from somebody's SX-70, I highly doubt it...
Posted By: 1cuda
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/27/12 10:25 AM
if anyone has a july 1997 copy of mopar collectors guide page 40 -it has an article by a guy who worked at creative and i think his memory is not that accurate-saying that they removed the steel hoods from a12 bees and runners to fit the glass hoods-anyone who has looked closely at an a12 car will easily see the hood hinges for a steel hood were never ever bolted to the car along with the hood catch mechanism-it just wasn`t done-everything was done at lynch road as the factory procedure for assembly line workers shows. the same article says they also did the hemi wheel arches-again i disagree because why would the factory send cars to have wheel arches modded or even fenders modded when they could be done in house. i actually don`t think any of the above was done at creative.
i`m with alaskan t/a on this - prove it. (and not with a bad memory)
on a side note i think the hoods were made at plaza manufacturing company in canada for the a12 cars and possibly even the t/a and aar`s.
all the best
frank.
i`m with alaskan t/a on this - prove it. (and not with a bad memory)
on a side note i think the hoods were made at plaza manufacturing company in canada for the a12 cars and possibly even the t/a and aar`s.
all the best
frank.
Posted By: mike s
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/27/12 08:04 PM
Quote:
The part that baffles me - Why would Chrysler send these cars out for such a simple procedure?
I have heard two versions of the 'story'.
1. They were shipped out to Creative for this, but that same source said that the AAR & T/A hoods were made at Creative, but they were marked 'Made in Canada'.
2. That a 'tool' for this modification was designed by Creative for use in the plant on the Cudas. This source said that it was used on all AARs, when it is clearly not the case looking at original sheet metal cars.
So, proof anyone? I would love to see it if it exists.
1.)T/A & Six Pac hoods were designed not built at Creative.I worked on several designs (at least 6).Only the prototypes were built at Creative.They very well could have used the Canadian hoods without scoops as a starting point.
2.)Never did T/A fender get modified at Creative.Tools never left Creative and the T/A's did not need the fender mods.
3.)All the Cuda's (bulk of the 70 production)reworked at Creative had the wheel lips mouldings.(until about March 70 when work ended at Creative.
There is only one story,the truth.My memory is just fine and I checked with my partner and others who worked with me on the Cuda's to verify anything I have posted over the years.
I know the truth does not fit the experts "story" Guess what, they were and are wrong.For years they made up stories to fit what they had been telling their customers.mags etc.
I also have tried several times to access the paperwork (if there is any).The present owners of Creative will not allow me to access the Creative records.That is ongoing.Camera's were not allowed in Creative.This was hardly an easy modification on the assy line.Damage to the fenders would have been huge.That is why Creative did the mods.
Proof? There it is,not enough for you but the truth.
Posted By: SixPackRT
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/27/12 10:55 PM
Quote:
The part that baffles me - Why would Chrysler send these cars out for such a simple procedure?
I have heard two versions of the 'story'.
1. They were shipped out to Creative for this, but that same source said that the AAR & T/A hoods were made at Creative, but they were marked 'Made in Canada'.
2. That a 'tool' for this modification was designed by Creative for use in the plant on the Cudas. This source said that it was used on all AARs, when it is clearly not the case looking at original sheet metal cars.
So, proof anyone? I would love to see it if it exists.
Manufactures do this all the time. Not just in the automotive industry either. These cars were units to them not future collectors items. To make a change like this is counterproductive from a manufacturing standpoint and was most likely overlooked by engineering initially. On a different note, I can tell you that when the 86 Ford Taurus came out that the window belt moldings didnt fit at all. Working at a local family owned small manufacturing shop we were given the contract to modify the mouldings. Pretty much overnight, as they were a new model and selling like hotcakes! I was still in H.S. and worked after school for about 1 1/2 months "modifing" the moldings until something new could be engineered and produced. It was done on an industrial belt sander by hand. I was able to leave my brains at home to do it. I must have done hundreds myself. Do I have proof and was it documented...no absolutely not. Was it done... sure as it paid for my first car. In a lot of cases large corporations such as the automotive industry can't allocate the man power or even cut through the necessary red tape to get something like this done. Were they capable? absolutely; but that doesnt always make it possible. I couldnt begin to tell you if this was done at creative or not, but I don't think its a reach to believe that it was subbed out. Especially for the small number of cars were talking about here in comparison to the numbers of ebodys they were producing as a whole.
Scott
Posted By: 1cuda
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/28/12 03:55 AM
my comments were in relation to a mcg article in july 1997-if that creative industries worker stated that they replaced the steel hoods on a12 cars with glass ones then he also states they modded the fenders for hemi cars then i question his accuracy on both those subjects. if creative did mod the fenders for hemi cars-and if someone who actually worked there remembers that they did- do they remember if they were just unpainted fenders or were whole painted cars shipped to creative to have the mod done? who repainted the area after the mod was done or were the cars shipped to creative in body in white metal only. something seems weird in the whole process.
personally i don`t find a problem asking a question like this because no one gets answers without asking-that`s why it`s a restoration & a12 forum.
all the best
frank.
personally i don`t find a problem asking a question like this because no one gets answers without asking-that`s why it`s a restoration & a12 forum.
all the best
frank.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/28/12 04:06 AM
There is paperwork mentioning Creative & the wing cars.
There is paperwork showing that Creative was to design the T/A hood scoop.
So there may be paperwork somewhere showing modifications to 1970 Cuda front fenders?
If anyone has a copy, I would love to see it & so would everyone else.
There is paperwork showing that Creative was to design the T/A hood scoop.
So there may be paperwork somewhere showing modifications to 1970 Cuda front fenders?
If anyone has a copy, I would love to see it & so would everyone else.
Posted By: mike s
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/28/12 04:32 AM
Quote:
There is paperwork mentioning Creative & the wing cars.
There is paperwork showing that Creative was to design the T/A hood scoop.
So there may be paperwork somewhere showing modifications to 1970 Cuda front fenders?
If anyone has a copy, I would love to see it & so would everyone else.
You or I will likely never see the paperwork.You seem to ignore what I posted earlier.This was a last minute fix done on the qt. They certainly were not going to broadcast it.There may be paperwork but as I noted,the owners of Creative will not allow access to the archives.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/28/12 04:47 AM
The paperwork I have seen mentioning Creative is from Chrysler employees that saved it, not Creative.
So, hopefully more data surfaces.
So, hopefully more data surfaces.
Posted By: LVSRT10
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/28/12 05:39 AM
Just my 
I don't know how many of you have actually been in an assembly plant, but I can tell you it is NOT as structured as you think. In 1994 I watched Ram Trucks, Minivans, B-Vans (which at the time were still being welded together by people), and Intrepids being assembled. Things were much more efficient in 1994 than in the musclecar era, and the variations of the parts in the bins, and even more so how they were put on a vehicle, was staggering to someone who THOUGHT he knew how things worked. The reality of how a vehcle is assembled is FAR different than the perception. If guy at station is bolting something on the last thing he cares about is if the bolts he is using are all the same, it's just a job to them just like in 1970. Moral of the story is you are asking for proof of the unprovable here.
--Jeff
I don't know how many of you have actually been in an assembly plant, but I can tell you it is NOT as structured as you think. In 1994 I watched Ram Trucks, Minivans, B-Vans (which at the time were still being welded together by people), and Intrepids being assembled. Things were much more efficient in 1994 than in the musclecar era, and the variations of the parts in the bins, and even more so how they were put on a vehicle, was staggering to someone who THOUGHT he knew how things worked. The reality of how a vehcle is assembled is FAR different than the perception. If guy at station is bolting something on the last thing he cares about is if the bolts he is using are all the same, it's just a job to them just like in 1970. Moral of the story is you are asking for proof of the unprovable here.
--Jeff
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/28/12 05:44 AM
Unprovable?
Maybe.
Does it hurt to ask?
Never.
There are a lot of mysteries with these cars that have been cleared up just by a few old pages surfacing now & then.
Maybe.
Does it hurt to ask?
Never.
There are a lot of mysteries with these cars that have been cleared up just by a few old pages surfacing now & then.
Posted By: LVSRT10
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/28/12 06:36 AM
Quote:
Unprovable?
Maybe.
Does it hurt to ask?
Never.
There are a lot of mysteries with these cars that have been cleared up just by a few old pages surfacing now & then.
Asking should never be an issue for anyone, it's how we learn.
As to the highlighted point, this is exactly the fallacy I am talking about. You cannot apply the same rules to what amounts to, by todays standards anyway, a collection of basically handbuilt cars just because of what a piece of paper says. If assembly instruction says to do "A", and Fred on shift 1 does "B", then Joe on shift 2 does "C", then Fred is sick on Tuesday and Mike who is subbing does "D" which one is right?
I have restored my share of these cars and I can tell you from experience that, like fingerprints, no two are the same. So, IMHO the only correct way is to document the car as it comes apart because my car is different than yours, and sometimes VERY different.
I would put FAR more faith in what someone who was there says, over what any piece of paper says.
--Jeff
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/28/12 06:50 AM
I am well aware of cars being unique in their builds, I have documented some of those details myself as a historian. The low mile T/A had a few things about it not considered 'normal'.
I also know there is paperwork out there I have not seen yet, that is all I am saying. If it does exist somewhere it would benefit all of us to see it.
Sometimes it falls in our laps & sometimes we have to ask for it.
I also know there is paperwork out there I have not seen yet, that is all I am saying. If it does exist somewhere it would benefit all of us to see it.
Sometimes it falls in our laps & sometimes we have to ask for it.
Posted By: hemicar1971
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/28/12 06:49 PM
The practice of sending Vehicles to other industries still happens today in the Automotive Plant I work at. Vehicles are driven to another plant, about a 6 miles drive and the stripes are put on them. Then the vehicles are driven back for transport carrier shipment. I know from working most of my life in these Automotive Plants that the rules are NO CAMERAS. Even now phones with cameras are a problem and if caught using photos taken from inside the property you are going to have your rights to work for the company taken away, Fired. There has been a few firings were I work lately. Next when I was a lot younger and working in these plants all you cared about was making money, a job was a job and in those days you could get another job the same day if you wanted, not like today at all. So we as workers just dont care, we were there for the money.
This is the way I look at it. How many Hemi Cudas were built between the time the problem was noticed on the front fenders and the last fender was modified by Creative Industries. It would easy the pain of build and repair if these few numbers of Cudas were sent outside of plant and fixed. How many a day would be sent out to have this fix completed. It would be nothing but a pain to set up in plant to fix these Cudas off line. So Creative were sent the cars and developed a method or fix, and this likely was just a quick fix that went for months and the fix over time would change constantly via tooling and personal. We all know there was a fix and Creative did the fix.The paper work might come to the public for viewing but dont hold your breath. Creative now lives in the present not the past and really does not care about a 1970 Hemi Cuda Fender. This is much like how come Chrysler does not have very much information about the 1970 E Body build, vin data like G30-G31 info. It likely is not sitting in a warehouse to be found one day and solve all us hobbist question. It was likely taken to the boiler room of a power house, the room were the coal gets shoveled and burnt for power. If would be nice to have the paper work from Creative but for now first had knowledge or worker knowledge is all that there is and likely that is all there ever will be.
This is the way I look at it. How many Hemi Cudas were built between the time the problem was noticed on the front fenders and the last fender was modified by Creative Industries. It would easy the pain of build and repair if these few numbers of Cudas were sent outside of plant and fixed. How many a day would be sent out to have this fix completed. It would be nothing but a pain to set up in plant to fix these Cudas off line. So Creative were sent the cars and developed a method or fix, and this likely was just a quick fix that went for months and the fix over time would change constantly via tooling and personal. We all know there was a fix and Creative did the fix.The paper work might come to the public for viewing but dont hold your breath. Creative now lives in the present not the past and really does not care about a 1970 Hemi Cuda Fender. This is much like how come Chrysler does not have very much information about the 1970 E Body build, vin data like G30-G31 info. It likely is not sitting in a warehouse to be found one day and solve all us hobbist question. It was likely taken to the boiler room of a power house, the room were the coal gets shoveled and burnt for power. If would be nice to have the paper work from Creative but for now first had knowledge or worker knowledge is all that there is and likely that is all there ever will be.
Posted By: quadram4
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/28/12 10:05 PM
I am 1 of the guys who worked at Creative during this period. What Mike S is telling all of you is fact (I may be old but my memory is intact!)Everybody has some sort of story, but did they work there? I think not! As Mike S mentioned cameras were not allowed in creative, and why would we take pics anyway? Who cared at that time, if I knew then what I know now, I would have snuck some pics out of the plant and also would have bought a dozen hemi cudas, so I could live large today! Nobody thought about what would happen in the future, be bought these cars beat the bejesus out of them the sold them for another one! As far as the A12's we only did the roadrunners at the 10 mile plant, the came in with no hoods or latches, we installed the rear brkts and the hood pins, installed the hood and pins, and the chrome bases had the lanyards to the inboard rivits, 3 oclock r/s, 9 oclock l/s. PS, Creative scrapped more hoods than we installed, due to defects, cracks and mostly busted off corners! This is the only proof I can offer, is my eye witness account! Believe it or not, Bob
Posted By: 6bblgt
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/28/12 10:28 PM
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As far as the A12's we only did the roadrunners at the 10 mile plant, the came in with no hoods or latches, we installed the rear brkts and the hood pins, installed the hood and pins, and the chrome bases had the lanyards to the inboard rivits, 3 oclock r/s, 9 oclock l/s. PS, Creative scrapped more hoods than we installed, due to defects, cracks and mostly busted off corners!
thanks for the added info Bob!
How far from Lynch Rd. Assembly to the 10 Mile Creative facility? How did the RRs arrive/leave?
Of the roughtly 1500 A12 440 6bbl Road Runners built during the spring of '69 (March thru June, I'll "assume" you were employed there at this time) do you feel this number of cars was final assembled at Creative?
Posted By: Race&Resto
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/29/12 05:33 AM
Lets try this one more time -
As per your question in the title - Yes & No.
A legitimate question, but again Yes & No, I knew others would chime in here with a few different answers because of the Challenger wheel lip molding question that was posted last year and answered by several people on here, so just decided to sit back and spectate and watch the replies.
Seems he didn't like my first response to his question - I tried to get him to post some photos of his cars front fenders, because I knew others on here would post some - but he took offense to that question.
Aren't you the same guy with hundreds of threads asking questions on restoring everything - and then you add these behind the questions??? - Yeah I thought that was you - so whose the FI now because it sure seems like you are - so maybe you should just STFU yourself - see I can be an a-hole too if provoked.
Quote:
Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings?
As per your question in the title - Yes & No.
Quote:
Were wheel opening moldings optional on '70 Hemi Cudas or not available because of the rolled lip front fenders?
A legitimate question, but again Yes & No, I knew others would chime in here with a few different answers because of the Challenger wheel lip molding question that was posted last year and answered by several people on here, so just decided to sit back and spectate and watch the replies.
Quote:
Do you own one, post some photos of yours if you have any with or without the moldings.
Seems he didn't like my first response to his question - I tried to get him to post some photos of his cars front fenders, because I knew others on here would post some - but he took offense to that question.
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What a brilliant idea.I never thought of that.FI
Aren't you the same guy with hundreds of threads asking questions on restoring everything - and then you add these behind the questions??? - Yeah I thought that was you - so whose the FI now because it sure seems like you are - so maybe you should just STFU yourself - see I can be an a-hole too if provoked.
Posted By: 1cuda
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/29/12 05:42 AM
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I am 1 of the guys who worked at Creative during this period. What Mike S is telling all of you is fact (I may be old but my memory is intact!)Everybody has some sort of story, but did they work there? I think not! As Mike S mentioned cameras were not allowed in creative, and why would we take pics anyway? Who cared at that time, if I knew then what I know now, I would have snuck some pics out of the plant and also would have bought a dozen hemi cudas, so I could live large today! Nobody thought about what would happen in the future, be bought these cars beat the bejesus out of them the sold them for another one! As far as the A12's we only did the roadrunners at the 10 mile plant, the came in with no hoods or latches, we installed the rear brkts and the hood pins, installed the hood and pins, and the chrome bases had the lanyards to the inboard rivits, 3 oclock r/s, 9 oclock l/s. PS, Creative scrapped more hoods than we installed, due to defects, cracks and mostly busted off corners! This is the only proof I can offer, is my eye witness account! Believe it or not, Bob
thank you bob for the information you have given-i didn`t want to mention your name in my previous posts but i did keep referring back to an article in mcg july 97. seems that your name is the main information source for that article. the article states both runners and bees were delivered to creative and then the steel hoods were removed. by installing the brackets for the rear hood pins did you have to repaint the area where the hood hinges were? please let me know as we are going to be restoring the a12 car and if that was the case we will paint the car with hood hinges on then remove them and install the pin brackets and then re-shoot paint over that area. should we tap out the threads to install the hood hinges or were they held on with some other means.
if they were shipped to creative with no hoods then after installing the rear hood brackets did you re-shoot the paint in that area? again-please let me know because we want to restore the car correctly.
thanking you for your time
frank.
Posted By: quadram4
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/29/12 07:07 PM
Hey Frank how u doing? First let me clear up 1 item, on that 97 mcg article my info was not reported correctly! This is part of the reason that info gets all screwed up! I never said we did the superbees at the 10 mile rd plant, because we didnt! We did roadrunner A12's, daytonas and superbirds. On your question, the rr were transported the approx 10 miles to creative on car carriers, they were delivered with no hood hinges ever being installed, no latch mech, and no pop up spring. We painted the brkts installed them into the hood hinge set up, assembled the pins and inst the hoods. I will admit 1 thing i do not remember if creative put the 440-6 decals on, because I know for fact they did not come installed, because I inspected them and scrapped many, many hoods! As i said previously if I knew then what I know now, them damaged hoods wld have been in my garage instead of the dumpster where many ended up!
PS you can use my name any time u want, I was there as was Mike S, Mike was at the outer drive plant, he did the hemi fenders, What he says is gosple, We were there, how many of u can say that? Good luck on your resto, I have done 2 a12 runners, both rallye green, 1 four speed, 1 auto, Bob
PS you can use my name any time u want, I was there as was Mike S, Mike was at the outer drive plant, he did the hemi fenders, What he says is gosple, We were there, how many of u can say that? Good luck on your resto, I have done 2 a12 runners, both rallye green, 1 four speed, 1 auto, Bob
Posted By: 1cuda
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/29/12 09:08 PM
thanx for clearing that up-i didn`t know creative did the superbirds-i thought they were assembled at clairpointe.
all the best
frank
all the best
frank
Posted By: a12superbee
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/29/12 09:39 PM
I'm sorry and hate to thread jack, but I find it hard to believe that Creative did the A12 runners but not the bees. They did come down the same assembly line.
I doubt I'm the only one, just the only one stupid enough to poke a stick at the subject.
I doubt I'm the only one, just the only one stupid enough to poke a stick at the subject.
Posted By: quadram4
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/31/12 12:36 AM
Well u believe what u want, I was there! Do u know anybody that worked there? Or are u just a non-believer? I have no reason to spread rumors, Chrysler did a lot of unbelievable things in the day! And just because some Joe Blow says this is what happened, and didnt work for Creative or Chrysler he is just passing on bs info that he recieved!
Bob
Bob
Posted By: mike s
Re: Did '70 Hemi Cudas have Wheel Opening Moldings? - 12/31/12 08:52 PM
Before all the winged warriors go off,I would like to clarify Bob's statement about the Superbirds.Only a few hundred at best were built at Creative.Vast majority were built at Clairpointe.