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What single stage paint to use for a factory look? bee

Posted By: 79machocharger

What single stage paint to use for a factory look? bee - 12/05/12 05:03 PM

I think I've decided to go single stage for a factory look and color on my 69 bee. I've heard the single stage paint has more of a correct color look to it. Whats a good single stage paint to use? I've always used Nason paints and I'm pretty sure I'm ready to try somthing different. I'm also going to paint the underside with the dark grey primer that RestoRick sells and blow in the over spray. I plan on cutting the outside very little so to leave alittle orange peel factory look to it instead of taking it down like glass. It's a non metalic color. I've seen alot of people using PPG single stage paints. Any help would be great, thanks.

Also after it's blasted I think I'll DP90 the whole shell on the rotisserie and then do what ever body work it will need. Once I get it close I'll use some kind of PPG surfacer to fill in any little flaws and then sand smooth. After I get that all done I'll use and epoxy primer from PPG and then do the grey bottom side and blow in the over spray body color look. I'll then tape the bottom off and then seal the top of the car and paint the whole shell minus the hood, doors and trunklid. I'll make sure to paint the outside of those parts at the same time but off the car. I'll have the inside of those parts already painted and taped off. This is kind of my rough game plan any help on certain PPG paints to use would be great help as I havent used PPG paints very much.
Posted By: AdamR

Re: What single stage paint to use for a factory look? bee - 12/05/12 05:44 PM

I dont know if one brand will look more correct then the next but you want to use an enamel not a urethane. My car was red oxide primer, gray primer then color.
Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: What single stage paint to use for a factory look? bee - 12/05/12 05:51 PM

Isn't your new Bee F6 Bright Green Metallic? If so, there is plenty of metallic in it (as the name implies)
Posted By: Silver70

Re: What single stage paint to use for a factory look? bee - 12/05/12 05:55 PM

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Isn't your new Bee F6 Bright Green Metallic? If so, there is plenty of metallic in it (as the name implies)



He said "it's a non metallic color"

Anyways, I'd go epoxy, do the body/filler work, then use high building primer, block it, fix any flaws, then reprime, wetsand, paint. You could use thinned epoxy as a sealer before paint.
Posted By: 79machocharger

Re: What single stage paint to use for a factory look? bee - 12/05/12 05:57 PM

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Isn't your new Bee F6 Bright Green Metallic? If so, there is plenty of metallic in it (as the name implies)



I was wrong.(lol)
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: What single stage paint to use for a factory look? bee - 12/05/12 06:28 PM

If your looking for an OEM finish, Dupont Centari line is perhaps your best bet IMHO, if you want to step up the quality of the paint, then Dupont's Imron line is nice, however factory colors are limited due to the paint's chemical make-up, not because of a lack of mix code/formulas


If you decide to go Dupont, stick with the Dupont line..(avoid Nason)


mike
Posted By: 79machocharger

Re: What single stage paint to use for a factory look? bee - 12/05/12 06:46 PM

Cool, thanks for the reply Mike. I'm going for an original look.
Posted By: wally426ci

Re: What single stage paint to use for a factory look? bee - 12/05/12 06:51 PM

Posted By: Silver70

Re: What single stage paint to use for a factory look? bee - 12/05/12 07:15 PM

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If your looking for an OEM finish, Dupont Centari line is perhaps your best bet IMHO, if you want to step up the quality of the paint, then Dupont's Imron line is nice, however factory colors are limited due to the paint's chemical make-up, not because of a lack of mix code/formulas


If you decide to go Dupont, stick with the Dupont line..(avoid Nason)


mike



From what I have read here, it seems dupont is better for some colors and ppg for others. I would stick with the better quality lines also for doing an entire car.
Posted By: GMP440

Re: What single stage paint to use for a factory look? bee - 12/06/12 12:07 AM

As another member stated about Imron paint. I agree it is good too. I painted my 68' Coronet with Dupont Imron. Imron will give you a very accurate factory look with the slight orange peel look.
Also, Imron is very impervious to acids. If you get brake fluid or battery acid on the paint, it will not bubble up.
Here is a pic of my Coronet painted with Imron paint. I painted the car 22 years ago. Notice the slight orange peel look that duplicates very well the factory look.

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Posted By: GMP440

Re: What single stage paint to use for a factory look? bee - 12/06/12 12:22 AM

Another view.

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Posted By: 6PakBee

Re: What single stage paint to use for a factory look? bee - 12/06/12 01:04 PM

The only problem, if that is the correct term, with Imron is that you have to mortgage your house to buy a gallon of it. But as a paint, I love it. Probably one of the easiest paints to spray. I painted the supports for our deck with Imron and it still has gloss after 16 years in ND weather.
Posted By: 79machocharger

Re: What single stage paint to use for a factory look? bee - 12/06/12 03:06 PM

That looks perfect, I think I'll give that paint a try.
Posted By: wally426ci

Re: What single stage paint to use for a factory look? bee - 12/06/12 07:32 PM

This kind of makes me wish I would have started with that paint rather than Base/Clear on my truck.....

Anyone know anything about going over base/clear with a product like this?
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: What single stage paint to use for a factory look? bee - 12/07/12 03:53 PM

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This kind of makes me wish I would have started with that paint rather than Base/Clear on my truck.....

Anyone know anything about going over base/clear with a product like this?





I wouldn't recommend puttin Imron over a prior finish, unless it has aged a few years, it's a very aggressive paint, chemically wise, it will "bite" into the lower substrates with amazing aggression chemically, and will wrinkle/lift up recently applied finished paint bases ..Imron is a very tough paint finish, it dosen't take kindly to wetsanding or buffing, or repairing by blending, you have to treat it like spraying a candy paint job, flawless overlap and gloss/orange peel control, it dosent take kindly to blemish repair like you could perform on a BC/CC or standard enamel single stage,...but if your a fairly skilled painter, you should have no issues,...if you decide to finish a vehicle in Imron, follow the MFG's recommended base prep and guidlines, don't use other MFG's as base prep or you'll be sorry...

mike
Posted By: LimeliteAero

Re: What single stage paint to use for a factory look? bee - 12/07/12 04:01 PM

As Mike mentioned the paint today has different makeup using the same formulas which results is a colormatch hell! Ask me how I know.....

Something to chew on is Imron and Centari have been given the death sentence....so be ready to look for alternatives should you require additional paint down the road.
Posted By: demon

Re: What single stage paint to use for a factory look? - 12/07/12 05:57 PM

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I think I've decided to go single stage for a factory look and color on my 69 bee. I've heard the single stage paint has more of a correct color look to it. Whats a good single stage paint to use? I've always used Nason paints and I'm pretty sure I'm ready to try somthing different. I'm also going to paint the underside with the dark grey primer that RestoRick sells and blow in the over spray. I plan on cutting the outside very little so to leave alittle orange peel factory look to it instead of taking it down like glass. It's a non metalic color. I've seen alot of people using PPG single stage paints. Any help would be great, thanks.

Also after it's blasted I think I'll DP90 the whole shell on the rotisserie and then do what ever body work it will need. Once I get it close I'll use some kind of PPG surfacer to fill in any little flaws and then sand smooth. After I get that all done I'll use and epoxy primer from PPG and then do the grey bottom side and blow in the over spray body color look. I'll then tape the bottom off and then seal the top of the car and paint the whole shell minus the hood, doors and trunklid. I'll make sure to paint the outside of those parts at the same time but off the car. I'll have the inside of those parts already painted and taped off. This is kind of my rough game plan any help on certain PPG paints to use would be great help as I havent used PPG paints very much.



if you really want it to look factory correct, don't paint it in pieces. Do it all at once just like the factory did. When Chrysler built them new, the fenders, hood, doors, trunklid etc were all on, then the bare body was dipped in grey latex primer. The exterior was washed off, then red oxide epoxy primer was sprayed on, follwed by green grey epoxy primer. This was baked, wet sanded then the interior door color was sprayed on, that was masked off and the body was painted with enamel.
There wasn't much paint in the hidden areas.
You can duplicate this procedure by epoxy priming all your inners, inside of fenders etc before assembling the body, then doing your aligning, filling blocking etc. Then spray It in DP epoxy primer just like the factory did, wet sand and paint just like the factory did. I've used this method on my restos for many many years now and it looks accurate. In fact it is about as accurate as possible!
The reason for the red oxide followed by green grey was simple. The red oxide made it simple to see that the silvery colored bare metal was all covered. Then the green grey contrast showed that the red oxide was all covered, ensuring no bare spots. Then when wet sanding, if the person broke thru the green grey, the red oxide showed up and he knew to stop sanding.
I always like to think about the reasons why Chrysler used certain procedures. they had to be efficient. Painting car in pieces would waste valuable time, risk chips and poor alignment. Same goes for our Restorations.
By the way, a common misconception is that the paint stops rust but actually that's the epoxy primer's job. Paint is like icing on the cake. Having the inners all done in DP will seal it up longer than any of us will ever live. I like to use tinted DP on the underbody. It can be easliy created using DP epoxy primer since it's available in so many colors. You can match the grey underside "dip" primer, and the red oxide and green grey plus any variations such as the black used in California built cars and some A bodies. DP makes a fantastic sealer before paint and enamel sticks like crazy to it.
To me a Mopar painted with base/clear is not restored.
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: What single stage paint to use for a factory look? bee - 12/07/12 07:37 PM

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Something to chew on is Imron and Centari have been given the death sentence....so be ready to look for alternatives should you require additional paint down the road.





VOC compliance has limited the States that still sell Centari and Imron, I can still purchase Imron in Massachusetts, but Centari has to be purchased in NY, and shipped to me for use....the waterbourne paints are already reality for the west, and have been for a number of years, more states are slowly complying to EPA/VOC mandates, it's only a matter of time before all the "good stuff"is gone,...FYI, Waterbourne Auto paints suck...

Mike
Posted By: screamindriver

Re: What single stage paint to use for a factory look? bee - 12/10/12 04:05 AM

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FYI, Waterbourne Auto paints suck...

Mike

And the paint/supply manufacturers are'nt making the transition an easy one for legit businesses...They're looking at it as a big money grab for them by making you buy not only the actual paint products but the whole supporting equipment to boot...From the smallest parts all the way to the actual paint booth if they have their way ...
Posted By: Chris2581

Re: What single stage paint to use for a factory look? bee - 12/10/12 04:11 AM

My neighbors 69 AMX was painted with Nason.He did a minor wet cut and buff and it looks like a factory job.
Posted By: Mr4Speed

Re: What single stage paint to use for a factory look? bee - 12/10/12 08:41 AM

hi guys,

does PPG offer a urethane single stage paint?
( for that factory orange peel look )

best regards,
Marcel
Posted By: Mopargnome

Re: What single stage paint to use for a factory look? bee - 12/11/12 04:30 AM

This is Kidmopars Challenger I did in PPG DCC (urethane single stage). Its been buffed and looks great!

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Posted By: cudaman1969

Re: What single stage paint to use for a factory look? bee - 12/12/12 02:56 AM

What is DP?
Posted By: Mopargnome

Re: What single stage paint to use for a factory look? bee - 12/12/12 03:24 AM

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What is DP?



PPG's epoxy primer
Posted By: sthemi

Re: What single stage paint to use for a factory look? bee - 12/15/12 03:34 AM

DCC (PPG concept) is a great paint. Pricey but sweet..

I have always like the color match of PPG paints, but with big brother regulating all the good stuff out of paint, it is probably a crap shoot in some colors..

Here is my Road Runner, I used base coat and DCC clear..
the engine bay and jams are DCC single stage tho.

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