FJ5 paint chip or most accurate color match available

Posted By: LimeliteAero

FJ5 paint chip or most accurate color match available - 10/21/12 05:29 PM

I was at the shop on Friday and theyre asking me about a spray out they did for my Bird in limelight or FJ5.
Im not sure I love the spray out, its PPG which I generally like for color match but was wondering if anyone has a known dead on match for my color?
Does anyone think if I got hold of one of the factory paint chips a jobber could get a match from that?

TIA!!!!

Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: FJ5 paint chip or most accurate color match available - 10/21/12 06:02 PM

The myth that if you get the "magical" paint chip match, color code, mix formula, use the same mfg as OEM that you'll get a perfect match, etc....there are so many variables, the perfect match can be screwed by the mixer shorting the formula either on purpose, or by accident, an incorrect shade base, painter technique, coverage, etc, etc, will/can effect the outcome of a so-called "perfect match"...

I think your first question/request should be how you want to finish the car?, OEM, meaning it will be a straight enamel job, or Base Coat/Clear Coat (BC/CC), or other? inorder for a paint recommendation...

Posted By: LimeliteAero

Re: FJ5 paint chip or most accurate color match available - 10/23/12 04:00 PM

Thanks Mike...I got a lot out of everything you noted but I was hoping for more input to sift through and come up with a solution. I dont need to ask how to finish the car I know how I want to do it.

I thought some of the "shops" that post here would have a suggestion or two?

Posted By: azblackhemi

Re: FJ5 paint chip or most accurate color match available - 10/24/12 04:07 AM

I own a small Mopar paint and body restoration shop here in Phoenix. I also prefer PPG products but before I spend big bucks on 2-3 gallons of paint I have small samples made up in both PPG's Deltron Basecoat and Dupont's Chromabase. I do spray outs of both to see which one is correct. There is usually one that looks closer to original than the other. It has been about 50/50 so far as to which brand I choose. One or the other has always worked for me so far. Of course I always get customer approval before buying. So my advice is get as many sprayuots as needed to find the color YOU are going to be happy with.

Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: FJ5 paint chip or most accurate color match available - 10/24/12 05:12 AM

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I own a small Mopar paint and body restoration shop here in Phoenix. I also prefer PPG products but before I spend big bucks on 2-3 gallons of paint I have small samples made up in both PPG's Deltron Basecoat and Dupont's Chromabase. I do spray outs of both to see which one is correct. There is usually one that looks closer to original than the other. It has been about 50/50 so far as to which brand I choose. One or the other has always worked for me so far. Of course I always get customer approval before buying. So my advice is get as many sprayuots as needed to find the color YOU are going to be happy with.

So which do you prefer for initial color matching, database formula/alts or colorkey card formula match, prior to a sprayout.

Mike

Posted By: azblackhemi

Re: FJ5 paint chip or most accurate color match available - 10/24/12 06:31 AM

My first step is to try the paint manufacturers formula with spray outs. Since my paint supplier knows I'm going to buy the paint from him he will mix me 2oz samples free of charge. I have access to original paint panels in most of the popular Mopar colors from the late 60's and early 70's to compare the spray outs. When none of the formulas are quite right I bring a sample panel to my paint jobber and have it tinted to match.

Posted By: Silver70

Re: FJ5 paint chip or most accurate color match available - 10/24/12 06:10 PM

I've used ppg and dupont in this color and I think the dupont looked better. I can see your point though as you go to a mopar show and there are many different shade, some are too dark like a ralley green, others too light like citron.

Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: FJ5 paint chip or most accurate color match available - 10/24/12 06:29 PM

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I've used ppg and dupont in this color and I think the dupont looked better. I can see your point though as you go to a mopar show and there are many different shade, some are too dark like a ralley green, others too light like citron.

That's interesting. When I was getting ready to paint my 'Cuda I decided on B/C so I bought a pint of Dupont Chromabase and sprayed the trunk. I wasn't happy with the color--looked to 'milky'. So I bought some PPG Concept single stage and it was much better--a little yellower and much more bright and alive.

Dupont MAY be more accurate to original, but I have compared it to an original paint road runner and it varies from that too.

I agree its a color that varies a lot when compared side-by-side on cars.

Posted By: Beebuzzn

Re: FJ5 paint chip or most accurate color match available - 10/24/12 07:34 PM

I wanted a color match as close to original as I could get. Went with PPG Concept single stage. Third pint I had mixed I was finally happy. The first pint from their chart was way off. I ended up taking the trunk lid down after carefully cleaning and they used that for the match. We sprayed the samples over the same primer as used on car. Had same issue with the stripe color also. Now if I could just find the space in my shop and time to put it together.

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Posted By: Silver70

Re: FJ5 paint chip or most accurate color match available - 10/25/12 05:13 AM

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I've used ppg and dupont in this color and I think the dupont looked better. I can see your point though as you go to a mopar show and there are many different shade, some are too dark like a ralley green, others too light like citron.

That's interesting. When I was getting ready to paint my 'Cuda I decided on B/C so I bought a pint of Dupont Chromabase and sprayed the trunk. I wasn't happy with the color--looked to 'milky'. So I bought some PPG Concept single stage and it was much better--a little yellower and much more bright and alive.

Dupont MAY be more accurate to original, but I have compared it to an original paint road runner and it varies from that too.

I agree its a color that varies a lot when compared side-by-side on cars.

This was about 10 years apart and I had used the ppg the first time. Primer used under, color, thickness, etc... can change how it looks. I used buff/yellow on both as I figured if they got chipped, it wouldn't be as noticeable with gray underneathe.

Posted By: gomangoRTSE

Re: FJ5 paint chip or most accurate color match available - 10/25/12 08:56 PM

PPG would be the best known match I would think to the original. I will say I have (many times) seen one body shop supply store use the same formula and it not match with what another body shop supply store color. Same formula everything. There is oftentimes a slight variance not only from store to store, but from even the same store mixing the formula up on two different occasions.

You store can always tweak the color on way or other other. Lighter, darker etc. I do give the following as advice. If your car takes a gallon and a half of basecoat to get the job done. Have them mix it all up at the same time and pour it into one container. In other words have 2 gallons made and kept in the same container. Dont be going back for a quart or a pint, and then having to do it again. I have seen many an occasion when a paint job didnt come out exactly right, and when the owner or painter went back for another quart to get the job done, there are issues with the shade. Problems also occur when you paint panels standing or assembled and painting some of the panels laid flat. Especially true when you silvers, and newer paints with more flake.

Posted By: bill440rt

Re: FJ5 paint chip or most accurate color match available - 10/26/12 03:38 AM

Muscle-era Mopars were painted in Ditzler, which is now known as PPG.

When I painted FC7, I went out & got pints of 6 different paint companies mixes of FC7. PPG was dead nuts far better than the others.

Did my '69 Charger a few years ago on PPG FJ5, DBU base with 2002 clear. The color is very vibrant & "pops". Like others have said the DuPont mix was a little "milky" looking, it did not have the wow factor PPG's mix had.
If you do plan on using PPG FJ5, stay away from their lower Omni line. It's water thin, no coverage, and the color is way off.

Posted By: FY1TA

Re: FJ5 paint chip or most accurate color match available - 10/26/12 03:39 AM

I have painted several with Centari . Great match .

Posted By: azblackhemi

Re: FJ5 paint chip or most accurate color match available - 10/26/12 05:00 AM

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Muscle-era Mopars were painted in Ditzler, which is now known as PPG.

When I painted FC7, I went out & got pints of 6 different paint companies mixes of FC7. PPG was dead nuts far better than the others.

Did my '69 Charger a few years ago on PPG FJ5, DBU base with 2002 clear. The color is very vibrant & "pops". Like others have said the DuPont mix was a little "milky" looking, it did not have the wow factor PPG's mix had.
If you do plan on using PPG FJ5, stay away from their lower Omni line. It's water thin, no coverage, and the color is way off.

Yes "Plum Crazy" is all over the place in color at the big shows. I agree with you that PPG has the best formula for it. However when it comes to B5 Blue Dupont's Chromabase is a better match than PPG. That's why it's a good Idea to do sprayouts on every color.