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E Body interior door panels

Posted By: denfireguy

E Body interior door panels - 10/30/08 08:58 PM

Has there been any improvement in the quality of interior door panels? I know there are lengthy threads on this in here but I am hoping (actually praying) that there has been a break through and someone is actually shipping a good product.
My brite blue interior panels are turning to dust from ultraviolet light exposure. Fit is most important to me, grain next, and looking OEM last. Ideally I would like all three but if I have to settle, fit is most important.
Thanks,
Craig
Craig
Posted By: fastmark

Re: E Body interior door panels - 10/30/08 10:35 PM

AS of yet nothing but garbage out there. I am hoping HEMICUDA will decide to make correct ones. He probable gets tired of me asking, so why don't you start bugging him as well
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: E Body interior door panels - 10/30/08 10:51 PM

I don't think you would be happy with repops at all.
Posted By: denfireguy

Re: E Body interior door panels - 10/31/08 12:32 AM

That was what I was afraid of, thanks.
Posted By: polaraholic

Re: E Body interior door panels - 10/31/08 05:42 AM

If you keep an eye on the dreaded ebay you will find some. I held out on some until I found a set for a good price and still in nice shape. I was looking for black so I think that made it easier.
Posted By: HEMICUDA

Re: E Body interior door panels - 10/31/08 11:26 AM

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AS of yet nothing but garbage out there. I am hoping HEMICUDA will decide to make correct ones. He probable gets tired of me asking, so why don't you start bugging him as well




Mark, you're not bugging me since everytime you call I get you to buy something else.
Posted By: Blues_Cuda

Re: E Body interior door panels - 10/31/08 12:09 PM

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If you keep an eye on the dreaded ebay you will find some. I held out on some until I found a set for a good price and still in nice shape. I was looking for black so I think that made it easier.




Blue is almost impossible to find in good shape. I think Moparts member HemiGreg has been looking for years...I have as well. I bought some blue Palcos in the meantime and could not be more disappointed in them. What a waste of $$$.

Posted By: denfireguy

Re: E Body interior door panels - 10/31/08 12:15 PM

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If you keep an eye on the dreaded ebay you will find some. I held out on some until I found a set for a good price and still in nice shape. I was looking for black so I think that made it easier.



For some reason or another, black dashes and and black door panels seem to have held up better than any of the colors or white.
Thanks for all your input.
PLEASE, someone come up with a good aftermarket replacement.
Craig
Posted By: 6pkaar

Re: E Body interior door panels - 10/31/08 02:41 PM

If fit is your main objective why not have Just Dashes redo them?
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: E Body interior door panels - 10/31/08 02:45 PM

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If fit is your main objective why not have Just Dashes redo them?




Or find good/decent black ones and dye/paint them.
Posted By: Iceman01

Re: E Body interior door panels - 10/31/08 04:40 PM

I had my white door panels and seat backs redone by Just Dashes earlier this summer. They look fantastic! You get a brand new surface over your original that fits like it is supposed to. The only complaint I've read from the purists is that the resulting grain texture and edges are slightly softer than the originals.

When you consider the lack of viable alternatives, going with Just Dashes is the best solution for the majority of non-OE Gold seekers...
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: E Body interior door panels - 10/31/08 04:49 PM

no
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: E Body interior door panels - 10/31/08 05:44 PM

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no




Is there better solution than JD in regards to fit? I think the JD stuff isn't a perfect fit either though because the covering goes around the edge lip and makes it thicker.
Posted By: 318 Stroker

Re: E Body interior door panels - 10/31/08 05:48 PM

Why not get a good used set of black ones, & die them with SEM?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: E Body interior door panels - 10/31/08 11:56 PM

depending on just how dusty-crusty they are,I have had good success with this method:
Using a fine media like glass or fine sand,stay back a good distance and lightly and quickly blast the surface.It is amazing how the dry dusty junk disappears,and leaves the grain intact.Then wash,clean etc thouroughly before respraying with SEM or other dyes.This also works well on kick panels and A pillar mouldings.Don't get to close or agressive when blasting !!Of course this method depends on just how bad the panels are,but I have done this many times with good results.
Posted By: denfireguy

Re: E Body interior door panels - 11/01/08 02:33 PM

Thanks, I will try that with a really bad panel I picked up on Ebay and see how it comes out. If it looks good, the ones in the car will look great. But I am feeling that the ones in the car may be headed for California for redoing. Just my luck, I will sink money into them and someone comes out with a panel that fits. Murphy's law always applies.
Thanks to all for the input and to the repop suppliers out there, take note, no one is happy with your product, fix it.
Craig
Posted By: AARCONV

Re: E Body interior door panels - 11/02/08 07:26 PM

that's why i didn't run out and get a set, waiting a few years for them to get the bugs out of them or find a mint used set....
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: E Body interior door panels - 11/02/08 09:23 PM

Using the current manufacturing techniques (thermoforming vs the OE way of injection molding them) you will never see them "get the bugs out" we are talking about a DRASTIC difference here, not just some tweaking.

JD over wrapped OEM panels method is the best I've seen other than re-dying a set of originals that are in decent used shape. If you want the best you'll need to search out mint originals....A TALL order these days.

Posted By: sbcjd

Re: E Body interior door panels - 11/02/08 10:14 PM

Does Just Dashes dye e-body door panels?
Posted By: Triggerfish

Re: E Body interior door panels - 11/02/08 11:03 PM

Scott, do you think the texture of the JD panels are closer to the original textuer than the Palco repops? I've got the Palco's on my Hemi Chally, & they look great, but a little work to get the best fit. Thanks, Buzz

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Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: E Body interior door panels - 11/02/08 11:41 PM

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Scott, do you think the texture of the JD panels are closer to the original textuer than the Palco repops?




Tough call because niether one is really "correct", I'd say JD's looks more like original because it's a truer pebble style grain.
Posted By: erick72

Re: E Body interior door panels - 11/03/08 11:44 PM

if they have good grain i could redye them for you for 100 dollars for materials shiiping and back.i am very good at it.it would definately cheaper than just dashes.depends.what color?

erickjohnson1@yahoo.com
Posted By: Triggerfish

Re: E Body interior door panels - 11/03/08 11:54 PM

Thanks for the offer, but I can dye the panels & other interior plastic. my 70 Cuda panels are so deteriorated from sun exposure, the have holes in them as well as being super faded. Just Dashes will have to rebuild them if I decide to go that route.
Posted By: denfireguy

Re: E Body interior door panels - 11/04/08 02:52 AM

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Scott, do you think the texture of the JD panels are closer to the original textuer than the Palco repops? I've got the Palco's on my Hemi Chally, & they look great, but a little work to get the best fit. Thanks, Buzz



Are there any tricks to getting them to fit? Or is it just lots of time and patience to get them on?
Craig
Posted By: Triggerfish

Re: E Body interior door panels - 11/05/08 02:20 PM

A friend installed them for me, but said he had to trim them a little. One of the owners of Palco is in our local Mopar club, so I'll ask him and my friend who installed them, about the best way to make them fit.
Posted By: SV_MOPARS

Re: E Body interior door panels - 11/05/08 09:18 PM

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Is there better solution than JD in regards to fit? I think the JD stuff isn't a perfect fit either though because the covering goes around the edge lip and makes it thicker.





i agree!!
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: E Body interior door panels - 11/05/08 10:20 PM

Palco and Accuform (two companies, same process), use a process called Thermoforming or Vaccuum Forming.

They start with a sheet of pre-grained ABS plastic and heat it up, then it's dropped down over a mold shaped like a door panel. Vaccuum sucks the softened sheet down over the mold and you end up with a sheet shaped like a door panel with a flange of excess material all around the base of the mold. The excess flange is then trimmed away (usually by hand) and then any factory designed under cut areas required to attach the panel to the car (which are not possible to add during the thermoforming process) are glued or rivoted to the main panel.

Originals were made from injection molded thermoplastic polypropylene (hot molton plastic) which is squirted under tons of pressure into an enclosed steel mold to form the door panels entire shape, inside and out including the distinctive grain.

As noted originals were injection molded in Polypropylene, not ABS, these two materials have hugely different properties, Polypropylene is VERY resistant to most solvent based chemicals (which is why it's hard to paint) while ABS is EASILY attacked by most solvent based chemicals, so, with a reproduction if you get gas, thinner, or some other solvent on your fingers, touch the panel = Gooey fingers and a messed up panel, not so with originals. ABS is also a stiffer material and will not deaden road noise anything like original Polypropylene panels will (PP is a softer pliable material that absorbs more sound).

JD panels use originals which gives you the factory mounting points, sound deadening properties, and chemical resistant properties. They also use a thermoforming technique to restore panels but rather than forming a rigid sheet of ABS plastc over a mold they wrap the original panels with a flexible pre-grained vinyl skin (vinyl/PVC resists solvent based chemicals much better than ABS) and rather than a mold, your door panel is the mold, the panel is cleaned, sanded, glue is layed down, and the skin goes one. The negatives to this process are that the door panels do become slightly larger because of the new thin vinyl skin which can lead to some tight fits where panels meet, (most cases I've seen have been minor though), the vinyl grain is slightly different than original injection molded panels, and due to the fact that you will need to get ALL of your interior panels recovered so that the grains and colors will all match, the cost can be pretty high (however, thislast comment applies to Palco and Accuform as well).

Bottom line? It's a personal choice, nothing will beat nice originals, period. IMO JD is the second best way to go, after that it's a brand decision on Thermoformed reproductions.

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