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1971 b body 14x6 wheels ?
Posted By: streaker
1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/24/08 01:05 AM
Please post some pictures of correct 14x6 steel wheels for a 1971 Road Runner. Also pictures of the correct trim ring that came on these wheels.I know just a few of the '71 Road Runners came with trim rings so thanks in advance for any help yawl can give me.
Posted By: sunroofgtx
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/24/08 01:48 AM
Cool, I was going to post this. I just got some 14 x 6 Ralleys I'm putting into my Polyglas F 60 14's !!! Thanks Moparts !!
Sweet.. I think they look like this !!
Posted By: sunroofgtx
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/24/08 01:50 AM
Posted By: gygeneral
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/24/08 01:56 AM
Are you sure these are 14 X 6. I tought Rallye wheels of 1971 were 14X5.5???
Unless these are a later vintage wheel. Do you have a part number??
Posted By: sunroofgtx
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/24/08 02:03 AM
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Are you sure these are 14 X 6. I tought Rallye wheels of 1971 were 14X5.5???
Unless these are a later vintage wheel. Do you have a part number??
You are correct, I believe. They were take-offs of a ,I believe, 73 Cuda. I think. I think they look the same.. Thanks for the correction.
Posted By: m46rat
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/24/08 02:34 AM
The guy is looking for STEEL wheel pictures NOT RALLYE wheels.
Posted By: sunroofgtx
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/24/08 03:05 AM
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The guy is looking for STEEL wheel pictures NOT RALLYE wheels.
Man, I've been sick all day, just get out of bed for some Moparts, and I find out I can't read.. Sorry, please disregard those pics. 
Posted By: Sunroofcuda
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/24/08 03:18 AM
They should look just like this. They are SUPER hard to find! I can't supply any currently.
http://www.classicchambered.com/rims/146.jpg
Posted By: streaker
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/24/08 04:06 AM
Thanks does anybody know which trim ring is correct?
Posted By: m46rat
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/24/08 01:07 PM
The standard 14" trim ring part number 2944 424. I believe that you can get the re-issued ones at your local Chrysler Dealer. They will have a "P" in front of the newly issued part number. Maybe someone can confirm this, and what the new part number is. As far as the 14x6.0's go, you are S.O.L. as far as reproduction goes, you will have to try and track down some.
Posted By: streaker
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/24/08 07:56 PM
Thamks for the part # on the trim rings.
I will go to the dealer Monday and check.
Posted By: Butterscotch71
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/25/08 02:06 PM
Good luck...I've been trying to piece together a set of 14x6s for a couple years now....not easy to find!
Posted By: gtx6970
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/25/08 03:06 PM
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Thamks for the part # on the trim rings.
I will go to the dealer Monday and check.
I'll save you the trip
2944424 superseded to P2944424 and is now NS1 = no longer avail
Posted By: 70440+6bbl
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/25/08 06:50 PM
Which 14X6 steel wheel is correct for a '71 B-body, the 2944327 or 329?
I have a set of the 327's off of a '71 Satellite wagon that had 8k original miles. The GG white book lists the 327 as B-body and the 329 as B&E...
Posted By: streaker
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/25/08 09:41 PM
70440+6bbl I sent you a PM. Thanks
Posted By: Dingmaster
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/26/08 12:41 AM
I think this is what it would look like, however I'm not sure since there is no part # at the valve stem on this wheel.
Anyone know what this 14x6 wheel is for? early 70 maybe?
Posted By: Butterscotch71
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/26/08 12:59 AM
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I think this is what it would look like, however I'm not sure since there is no part # at the valve stem on this wheel.
Anyone know what this 14x6 wheel is for? early 70 maybe?
I believe the # should be printed on the inside of the rim (facing inside the tire). If no number there, it's likely a 329...either way, looks correct for a 71
Posted By: beesuperA12
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/26/08 03:03 PM
my 70 Bee 6 pack was coded 17 on the broadcast sheet for a 14x6 steel wheel #3420978 which was also available for 1971. The original spare:
Posted By: last426
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/29/08 07:46 AM
I have been looking for a set of these since I bought my car in 2000. I have the original dog dishes but not the wheels. Someone out there, make this
car original. I have the 71 rally wheels to trade... Kim
Posted By: ryangtogtx
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/29/08 01:21 PM
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I have been looking for a set of these since I bought my car in 2000. I have the original dog dishes but not the wheels. Someone out there, make this car original. I have the 71 rally wheels to trade... Kim
Do you have the broadcast sheet for your car? Does it list 14x6? I was always under the assumption that Hemi cars received 15x7 steel wheels standard and that 440 & 440+6 cars received the 14x6. Interesting.........
Posted By: last426
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/29/08 10:45 PM
Here it is. Kim
Posted By: ryangtogtx
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/30/08 12:05 AM
Well Kim you're right. I learned something today. 14x6 is correct for your car painted black with aluminum hubcaps(red stripe w/ tri-angle). You were asking about trim rings, but where on the sheet does it list them? I couldn't tell under the wheel cover box 2 because of the crayon writing. If it's there is should read code 24 (trim ring 2944424) according to the GG book.
Posted By: last426
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/30/08 12:48 AM
I didn't ask about trim rings. I have gone round and round about these rims, correct part number, phantom part number, should be part number, could be part number, and on and on. When I got the car I talked with Frank Balderson (sp), a great guy by the way, and he helped with the broadcast sheet. He also explained how, on May 1, Mopar changed from body color wheels to black and that was why mine (5/3/71) had black. I never asked the original owner but I bet that is why he switched to ralleys. Thanks, everyone, for the help. Kim
Posted By: m46rat
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/30/08 12:58 AM
The T93 tire code cinches it. G70x14 RWL Polyglas tires.
Posted By: sunroofgtx
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/30/08 01:08 AM
Great info. This is a favorite toggle.Thanks guys.
Posted By: ryangtogtx
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/30/08 01:23 AM
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I didn't ask about trim rings. I have gone round and round about these rims, correct part number, phantom part number, should be part number, could be part number, and on and on. When I got the car I talked with Frank Balderson (sp), a great guy by the way, and he helped with the broadcast sheet. He also explained how, on May 1, Mopar changed from body color wheels to black and that was why mine (5/3/71) had black. I never asked the original owner buy I bet that is why he switched to ralleys. Thanks, everyone, for the help. Kim
Sorry, I confused your question with someone else. Your broadcast clearly states the 2944329 (29) wheel which, according to GG, is correct for either B or E body in 71, while in the same book it states that 2944327 (27) is for b body only. Eric (Butterscotch71) and I have discussed this and I think either one is acceptable. On a side note, these wheels were also found on later year cars as well. Although they may have different part numbers on them, they are physically the same (14x6 JJ). Here is a picture that shows a 2944329 on the left ('71 b or e) and a 3580060 on the right ('72-'74 b body).
Posted By: last426
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/30/08 01:37 AM
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Sorry, I confused your question with someone else. Your broadcast clearly states the 2944329 (29) wheel which, according to GG, is correct for either B or E body in 71, while in the same book it states that 2944327 (27) is for b body only. Eric (Butterscotch71) and I have discussed this and I think either one is acceptable. On a side note, these wheels were also found on later year cars as well. Although they may have different part numbers on them, they are physically the same (14x6 JJ). Here is a picture that shows a 2944329 on the left ('71 b or e) and a 3580060 on the right ('72-'74 b body).
The car is almost totally original -- heck, the original owner even game me the original light bulbs that came with it. I owe it to the car to get the closest to correct wheels that I can. And to top it off, I am still unsure about the exact part number I am looking for. So it goes, Kim.
Posted By: ryangtogtx
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/30/08 01:57 AM
Kim, I'm not sure why you are confused about your wheels. If your broadcast sheet lists code 29 (which is the code for part number 2944329) then wouldn't that be the correct wheel? I think you have definitive proof. Eric is missing his broadcast sheet so we discussed the various reasons why different part numbers exist for the same part. It could have been a production date issue or maybe an assembly plant difference. Who knows for sure???
Regardless, both your broadcast and mine list 29 as the correct wheel. Your production date is May '71, mine is Dec. '70. The only difference is that yours were painted black and mine body color.
Posted By: last426
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/30/08 03:35 AM
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Kim, I'm not sure why you are confused about your wheels. If your broadcast sheet lists code 29 (which is the code for part number 2944329) then wouldn't that be the correct wheel?
I looked for the email but can't find it. Suffice to say that I have gone around this issue in depth twice. If I remember correctly, it was left with the 2944329 not being a real part number (I think it was called phantom but I could be wrong) and there were not any actual wheels that had that number. Rather the real number was something else and on and on and on. I think the person was here who told me this. But if you have a wheel with that number, then that is great and solves the riddle. So, I will be looking for a good set of 2944329s.
Posted By: ryangtogtx
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/30/08 03:59 AM
Kim, as you know, these wheels must be the most difficult to find. I'm pretty sure I only have one 2944327 and one 2944329 out of the seven total 14x6 wheels I've been able to locate. All of them are identical physically. I used to be like you and only wanted a specific part number that would be correct for my car, but as time went on and I discovered how difficult it is to find them, I resigned myself to simply finding wheels that were correct in appearance since the part numbers are pretty much indistinguishable anyway. I wish you good luck in your quest.
Posted By: last426
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/30/08 04:36 AM
Thanks, till then the ralleys will have to do. Heck, I only drive about 80 miles a years anyway. Kim.
Posted By: m46rat
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/30/08 11:47 AM
The guy who mentioned the 29 number as "phantom" was Bill Rolik here on this board. Ryan, if you have a 29 rim could you please post a good picture of it, ie, the part number and valve stem hole area? If not, then can we assume that the only 14x6.0 wheels are 27's, ones with out part numbers(made by Kelsey Hayes) and ones with part number 2944 242, used as spares in the trunks of cars with 6.0 rims on them. Have I missed anything?
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/30/08 01:09 PM
The SERVICE part number (in the parts catalog, and for sale over the counter) for the 14 X 6 wheels is 3420978. This covers B-Body and E-Body applications. I have on hand right now more than a dozen NOS 3420978 wheels, NONE OF WHICH are stamped 2944329 (engineering number). In fact, they have no numbers. I did have two NOS 3420978 (with 2944327 engineering number) B-Body wheels last year, which were sold to Eric Manuel (I know others who have had ORIGINAL, PRODUCTION 327's on hand). The ORIGINAL WHEELS on my 71 340 Cuda convertible, which theoretically should have 2944329 (engineering number)stamped on them, are BLANK. Based on the fact I have never seen or even heard of a 329 wheel in existence anywhere, it still falls into the "phantom" category.
Bill Rolik
P.S. Ryan, I will second Dwight's request: If you say you have a 329 wheel, let's see it!
Posted By: m46rat
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/30/08 01:20 PM
Bill: I would add that all the blank 14x6.0's are all made by Kelsey Hayes and are stamped in a small type of font. The 327 wheels(I have several) are made by some other wheel company and have a much larger font to the numbers stamped on either side of the valve stem. I think(I will have to check tonight) that the Kelsey Hayes wheels have a 6.0 stamped to the right of the valve stem after the day code stamping. The 327 rims have no 6.0 but have a pentastar stamped instead. Other than that the rims are identical. Also, I would state this, that the 327 rim was avaiable as far back as Aug of 1969(I have one) and at that time, like all other wheels, had NO PART NUMBER stamped above the valve stem. Because of this, I would say that this rim was obviously NOT a 71 B Body rim only. It was used for 70 production cars as well. Bill, can you comment on the 2944 242 spare tire 6.0 rim?
Posted By: ryangtogtx
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/30/08 02:45 PM
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The guy who mentioned the 29 number as "phantom" was Bill Rolik here on this board. Ryan, if you have a 29 rim could you please post a good picture of it, ie, the part number and valve stem hole area? If not, then can we assume that the only 14x6.0 wheels are 27's, ones with out part numbers(made by Kelsey Hayes) and ones with part number 2944 242, used as spares in the trunks of cars with 6.0 rims on them. Have I missed anything?
I will gladly take better pictures of the wheels I have. Specifically the purple one (which I bought on eBay several years ago as a single wheel). The pics will have to wait until after the weekend of Nov. 8 though since they are in storage at my dad's house. Thanks for all of the great input on these wheels. It's a very perplexing question. My next question is why would they code a broadcast sheet with a code which is supposedly the last two digits of a part number when in fact it is only an engineering number as opposed to the actual part number??
Posted By: Butterscotch71
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 11/02/08 01:24 AM
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The SERVICE part number (in the parts catalog, and for sale over the counter) for the 14 X 6 wheels is 3420978. This covers B-Body and E-Body applications. I have on hand right now more than a dozen NOS 3420978 wheels, NONE OF WHICH are stamped 2944329 (engineering number). In fact, they have no numbers. I did have two NOS 3420978 (with 2944327 engineering number) B-Body wheels last year, which were sold to Eric Manuel (I know others who have had ORIGINAL, PRODUCTION 327's on hand). The ORIGINAL WHEELS on my 71 340 Cuda convertible, which theoretically should have 2944329 (engineering number)stamped on them, are BLANK. Based on the fact I have never seen or even heard of a 329 wheel in existence anywhere, it still falls into the "phantom" category.
Bill Rolik
P.S. Ryan, I will second Dwight's request: If you say you have a 329 wheel, let's see it!
Actually you sold me the NOS 27 wheels last year.
Still trying to piece together a complete set of good wheels for my 71 runner
Posted By: m46rat
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 11/02/08 01:51 AM
EL5 71: I have a couple of extra 327 rims, PM me if you want some details. Are the 327 rims you have actually dated in the 1971 production year?
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 11/02/08 01:40 PM
I have not seen any more 327 wheels since. The balance of my wheels are all blank NOS 3420978's.
Leave no stone unturned in your quest!
Bill Rolik
Posted By: last426
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 11/10/08 05:02 AM
That settles it then. I need a good set of 3420978 steel wheels (1971 if possible) to put the mopar dog dishes on my
hemi charger. Kim
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 11/10/08 02:59 PM
Ryan,
When you are able to take photos of the numbers on the "329" wheel, you may also want to compare both the 329 and 327 wheels for the following:
Offset
Wheel Thickness (i.e., gauge of steel)
Vendor Markings
Wheel Style (JJ vs. whatever)
There has to be SOME reason (even with Chrysler's sometimes bizarre thinking) as to why there are multiple wheels for what should be similar applications.
Bill Rolik
Posted By: ryangtogtx
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 11/10/08 05:43 PM
Well, I looked at the wheels closely this weekend. Bill, you were right. I was mistaken about the purple wheel posted above. It is a 327 wheel. The seven was very faint and I mistook it for a 9. Apparently I have two 327's. One thing to note about these wheels is that they have raised bumps on either side of the valve stem (approx. 1 inch on either side). On another note, I looked at the second broadcast sheet that was found by the restoration shop during disassembly. It clearly lists code 27 for the wheels even though GG listed them as 29 on his decoding of the first broadcast sheet. Neither sheet is in very good condition, but the second sheet is very clear on the wheels. All of the wheels I have are 14x6 JJ.
Posted By: ryangtogtx
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 11/10/08 07:10 PM
Here's a copy of the second broadcast found taped behind the dash. I circled the wheel box.
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 11/11/08 02:59 AM
Ryan,
Thanks for the reply. I was anticipating the welcoming of the first known example of a 329 wheel to surface "in person", but I guess that will just have to wait!
Your broadcast sheet isn't the greatest, but it is much better than not having one at all!
Bill Rolik
Posted By: m46rat
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 11/11/08 03:14 AM
Ryan: If you don't mind, can you tell us what the date codes are on the two 327 wheels that you have?? There are obviously some of us on this board(me included) that are looking to cobble together a matched set or at least a set that is close to matching. Maybe with everyones input we can do some horse trading and make a few people happy! I have two that are dated Aug 6, 1970, one dated Feb 9, 1970, one dated Feb. 10, 1970, one dated Aug. 6, 1969 and one dated July 8, 1969. Any one else??
Posted By: ryangtogtx
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 11/11/08 04:09 AM
Here is one of the 327 wheels I have that is Made in USA. If you look closely, I have circled a "29" stamping in the upper left of the photo. Maybe this has something to do with the broadcast sheet code???
Posted By: ryangtogtx
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 11/11/08 04:11 AM
Here is the other 327 wheel I have. This one is Made in Canada and doesn't have a "29" on it. Both are stamped 2944327 next to the valve stem. Also, judging by these pictures, both appear to have been manufactured during the 1969 calendar year. The first manufactured at plant 3 and this one manufactured at plant 5. Hmmmm.
Posted By: ryangtogtx
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 11/11/08 04:16 AM
Here is a picture of a 2944327 (on the left) next to a 3580060 (72-74 B body). They are identical.
Posted By: streaker
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 11/23/08 05:59 AM
Ryangtogtx, Is the back spacing the same on the two wheels, the 327 and the 060 ?
Posted By: ryangtogtx
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 11/23/08 05:28 PM
Yes, they are identical.
Posted By: Sunroofcuda
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 12/11/14 05:51 PM
I Googled one of these wheel part #'s & look what I found! Posting to see if this old thread will resurrect itself! How's this for a bump?
Posted By: 68_661charger
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 12/12/14 12:33 AM
What era are 14 x6s with three nubs for the hub cap? All these here have 4....
Posted By: weaz4200
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/14/17 09:12 AM
Bump
Posted By: weaz4200
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/22/17 11:24 PM
Still looking
Posted By: Butterscotch71
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/23/17 04:04 AM
Posted By: weaz4200
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/23/17 04:17 AM
Gotcha. My bad.
Posted By: Thread Ender1
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/23/17 11:58 PM
Posted By: weaz4200
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? - 10/24/17 11:22 PM
I have this one i will sell, never used a take off from a 70 Challenger R/T.
Not the number I want... plus I won't continue to post in this thread further as it's not the appropriate place.
Thanks.
Posted By: 70gtx440dana
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? 2944327 - 05/14/19 12:38 AM
Is there confirmation that the 2944327 wheels are used both in 70-71? If so, both B & E body?
Based on photos of purple wheel in this thread it seems clear they were available in 70 MY as well. I assume Galen's white book is incorrect stating as 71 B body only.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? 2944327 - 05/14/19 12:53 AM
Date code on the wheel above is 11 3 1969, so it was made during the 1970 model year.
Body color wheels were used for the first part of the '71 model year as well for hubcap equipped cars.
Posted By: 70gtx440dana
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? 2944327 - 05/14/19 12:59 AM
Date code on the wheel above is 11 3 1969, so it was made during the 1970 model year.
Body color wheels were used for the first part of the '71 model year as well for hubcap equipped cars.
Thanks Barry! I resurrected this old thread today when I found it on google. I am trying to find out if 2944327 wheels are "confirmed" as being used on 70 model year vehicles. I have seen a few date code examples that certainly correlate to 70 MY production vehicles. Wondering if there are build sheet photos to confirm same as what is shown for 71 MY in this thread. As noted above, I am guessing the GG "Little White Book" is in error by listing as 71 B only.
Posted By: moparx
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? 2944327 - 05/14/19 01:59 PM
GG can't possibly be WRONG, can he ?
after all, you have to PAY for his information.
Posted By: m46rat
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? 2944327 - 05/14/19 02:04 PM
I have examples dated as early as July of 1969(no part number on the super early ones, no part number on any super early Motor wheel rims, for that matter). Motor wheel made 14x5.0, 14x5.5 and 14x6.0 steel wheels all through the 1970 and 1971 model years, and also at least into 1972. I have many examples with part number and date codes. If they weren't used on B and E body cars, you tell me what they came on??!! A Body, nope, C Body, nope. Y body, nope.
Posted By: FC7cuda
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? 2944327 - 05/15/19 12:17 PM
Is there confirmation that the 2944327 wheels are used both in 70-71? If so, both B & E body?
Based on photos of purple wheel in this thread it seems clear they were available in 70 MY as well. I assume Galen's white book is incorrect stating as 71 B body only.
I have a complete set of 5 dated 3/70 that were original to a 70 RT. I believe the "white book" to be incorrect. Do you have a early version of the book, perhaps this was corrected?
Posted By: 70440+6bbl
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? 2944327 - 05/15/19 05:25 PM
I have a ‘70 Bee with three of the original 327 wheels still present. They are all dated 11/4/69 and still wear the factory applied FC7 paint.
Posted By: FC7cuda
Re: 1971 b body 14x6 wheels ? 2944327 - 05/24/19 01:40 PM
I have a ‘70 Bee with three of the original 327 wheels still present. They are all dated 11/4/69 and still wear the factory applied FC7 paint.
I have 1 wheel 327 with original FC7 paint, dated 9/22/69. Wish it was same date as your 3.
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