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Clutch ???? for a 440+6 in a 70 b-body

Posted By: ramcuda

Clutch ???? for a 440+6 in a 70 b-body - 08/08/11 05:57 AM

Ok

Asked one time to many im sure....

Ok she has driven the clutch out of the car ..

We have a stock or a OE Borg in there and is out ...

Center force is not making the DF for a 18splin any more ...

So what is every one running now ????

Mind you it a 70 440+6 car so I'm looking for better than stock but I not looking for a race race set up and something that not going to bust my knee as it get driven alot

Thanks
David
Posted By: 64dodge572

Re: Clutch ???? for a 440+6 in a 70 b-body - 08/08/11 06:01 AM

Here is a McLeod package that is very similar to the Centerforce dual friction package:

http://www.brewersperformance.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MCDP1018

Wayne
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: Clutch ???? for a 440+6 in a 70 b-body - 08/08/11 11:33 AM

11" Sachs 3 finger BB style pressure plate with a Sachs Kelvar disc,...best street/strip set-up IMO, it's what I have behind my 440/6..2800 lbs up to 3400 lbs avaliable ratings
Posted By: 70sixpkrt

Re: Clutch ???? for a 440+6 in a 70 b-body - 08/08/11 06:31 PM

Mcleod street/strip setup. Disc 260151, pp 360153, to bearing 16061.
Posted By: terzmo

Re: Clutch ???? for a 440+6 in a 70 b-body - 08/08/11 06:39 PM

Just installed a centerforce dual friction clutch in My 69 Bee...440(30 over) 6 pack...Completely satisfied..also installed the same setup in a 498 stroker and it was excellent. I'm sure there are others out there but just passing along My experience. They claim this clutch was good for up to 600 hp. Pedal pressure is mild.
Posted By: dogdays

Re: Clutch ???? for a 440+6 in a 70 b-body - 08/08/11 09:14 PM

He said the CF is discontinued in his spline count.
R.
Posted By: terzmo

Re: Clutch ???? for a 440+6 in a 70 b-body - 08/09/11 01:47 AM

EXCUSE Me !!!
Posted By: dstryr

Re: Clutch ???? for a 440+6 in a 70 b-body - 08/09/11 04:34 AM

I've had a 12" McLeod setup in my 6bbl Road Runner for 8 years and am happy with it

360250 12" pressure plate street p/p
260653 12" disc, 18spline 600 series disc
16061 TO bearing
Posted By: ramcuda

Re: Clutch ???? for a 440+6 in a 70 b-body - 08/09/11 10:20 AM

Sorry forgot to say it a 10 1/2 in,,

I was looking at the Mcleod stuff and what you guys think about this ?

Plate PN# plate 260150 spec

Cover PN# cover 360153 spec
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: Clutch ???? for a 440+6 in a 70 b-body - 08/09/11 02:39 PM

Sachs offers a 10 1/2" set up as well, are you sure it's not a "scallop" set-up 10.750 IIRC....
Posted By: GomangoCuda

Re: Clutch ???? for a 440+6 in a 70 b-body - 08/09/11 03:21 PM

Quote:

Sorry forgot to say it a 10 1/2 in,,

I was looking at the Mcleod stuff and what you guys think about this ?

Plate PN# plate 260150 spec

Cover PN# cover 360153 spec




The one recommended by Brewer would be a lot more similar to a Centerforce dual friction if that was what you were wanting. The diaphram PP is a lot easier on the leg than a B&B style and the 500 series disc is similar to centerforces DF.

I use the 500 series disc that has organic on one side and ceramic on the other side and a 360951 Borg&beck/Long pressure plate. This is a 10.95 Unit that will fit on your 10.5 flywheel and accept the 11" disc. For your 18 spline trany you would need a 260551 disc. This setup has been my favorite for many years. I think it is a nice compromise. It requires less leg effort than a B&B and shifts better at high rpm. The fingers are counterweighted to add pressure due to centrifugal force and weight can be added to them if needed. It is however somewhat pricier than the diaphram kit that Brewer is selling and I am sure either one would work fine for you.

http://www.mcleodracing.com/products/500+Series+Disc.mcl

http://www.mcleodracing.com/products/Borg+%26+Beck+Long+Pressure+Plates.mcl

By the way the 360153 pressure plate you mentioned is also a 10.95 that fits on a 10.5 flywheel and you can use a 260151 11" organic/organic disc or a 260551 11" organic/ceramic disc with it. Mcleods 11" discs are slightly undersized so that they work with both 10.95 and 11" pressure plates.
Posted By: GomangoCuda

Re: Clutch ???? for a 440+6 in a 70 b-body - 08/09/11 03:29 PM

Quote:

Sachs offers a 10 1/2" set up as well, are you sure it's not a "scallop" set-up 10.750 IIRC....




It should be a scalloped 10.95" unit on a 130 tooth flywheel.
Posted By: ramcuda

Re: Clutch ???? for a 440+6 in a 70 b-body - 08/09/11 09:44 PM

ok i think its scalloped ...

MIND YOU ALL I HAVEN'T A CLUE ABOUT CLUTCH STUFF ....

here is a pic of the cover ..

and the peddle is ok just dont want it heaver .. Debi broke her foot and the bones in the top of her foot get sore after a while

Attached picture 6771221-0818001549.jpg
Posted By: 70sixpkrt

Re: Clutch ???? for a 440+6 in a 70 b-body - 08/09/11 10:16 PM

That looks like a Borg and Beck type clutch to me. I would call Bob Mazzolini Racing and ask him about clutches. I got mine from him.
Posted By: Mick70RR

Re: Clutch ???? for a 440+6 in a 70 b-body - 08/09/11 10:21 PM

This is the clutch I fitted about two years ago. Car is driven daily and I have at least 100 launches on it at the local drag strip. I only adjusted it once, a few hundred miles after it was fitted.

http://www.brewersperformance.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MCP1118
Posted By: 70sixpkrt

Re: Clutch ???? for a 440+6 in a 70 b-body - 08/09/11 10:34 PM

Mick70RR the clutch your using is for a 143 tooth flywheel. His is probably a stock 130 tooth.
You want this http://www.brewersperformance.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MC1018
or
http://www.brewersperformance.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MCP1018
Posted By: Mick70RR

Re: Clutch ???? for a 440+6 in a 70 b-body - 08/09/11 10:36 PM

From the first post I assumed it was an 18 spline.
Posted By: 70sixpkrt

Re: Clutch ???? for a 440+6 in a 70 b-body - 08/09/11 10:40 PM

It is an 18 spline.
Posted By: dogdays

Re: Clutch ???? for a 440+6 in a 70 b-body - 08/09/11 10:42 PM

There's a lot of good info posted here.

First of all you have a big motor and need all the clutch you can get so use the 10.95" setup that bolts onto your 10.5" flywheel. Dollars to doughnuts that's what you have now.

Second if you want to minimize your pedal pressure the diaphragm clutch is the way to go. It'll cut your pedal pressure way down for the same clamping force. Your Centerforce idea was on the money, and you should be able to get a CF pressure plate because it has many applications.

Just buy the set in this link which I copied from up the thread:
http://www.brewersperformance.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MCDP1018 Be sure to get the throwout bearing to go with it and to pack the TO bearing with grease unless it is "lifetime lubed".

Back in the day my brother and I put a 3500# clutch in his 67 GTO and we were so green we put the throwout bearing in dry. The clutch was a bear to disengage, but no worries because in about 300 miles the throwout bearing had worn the clutch fingers about off. So he kept the disk and went with a lighter plate and that time we greased the bearing and it lived. Maybe all throwout bearings are sealed now, but we had to learn the hard way.

Good luck and ask questions if you don't know the answer.

R.
Posted By: ramcuda

Re: Clutch ???? for a 440+6 in a 70 b-body - 08/10/11 08:40 AM

I called mcleod today and after chating with there Tech guy

We came up with this combo
Cover 360156

Plate 260551

Witch look to be about the same as the
MCP1018 McLEOD 10.95" 18 SPLINE PERFORMANCE CLUTCH PKG

Is there a Moparts Discount threw Brewer's ???

Am I on the right track now ????
Posted By: mosweethemi

Re: Clutch ???? for a 440+6 in a 70 b-body - 08/10/11 08:58 AM

Hello I have a 1970 Road Runner six pack car and a 1968 Hemi car, Both are four speed car. The Clutchs both came from Wayne Brewer! The one in the Hemi car has been in it for 12 years 354 rear and the six pack for around two years 410 rear.I have bad legs!also and they or not that bad at stop lights with the clutch push in!! Call Wayne!!
Posted By: dirt

Re: Clutch ???? for a 440+6 in a 70 b-body - 08/10/11 04:12 PM

i just got the clutch for a 440- 6 cuda and i ordered a 10.95" kit from ram. you can use the 10.95 clutch with the 130 tooth flywheel and bellhousing. if you go to 11" you need the 143 tooth flywheel and different bellhousing, i know that from my last experience trying to fit a 11
' clutch in a 10.5" bell.

anyway the 10.95 disc from ram still was only 10 7/16 , i'm trying to figure out if they screwed up or its supposed to be that way

hope it helps a little
Posted By: 70sixpkrt

Re: Clutch ???? for a 440+6 in a 70 b-body - 08/10/11 05:41 PM

You will like that clutch setup.
Posted By: dogdays

Re: Clutch ???? for a 440+6 in a 70 b-body - 08/10/11 07:52 PM

Not if you want to decrease pedal effort. What you have listed is the Borg and Beck style. The diaphragm style will have a much lighter clutch for the same clamping force.
R.
Posted By: ramcuda

Re: Clutch ???? for a 440+6 in a 70 b-body - 08/10/11 10:06 PM

Wayne !!!!!

PM FOR YOU ....
Posted By: Mick70RR

Re: Clutch ???? for a 440+6 in a 70 b-body - 08/10/11 10:33 PM

Quote:

Mick70RR the clutch your using is for a 143 tooth flywheel. His is probably a stock 130 tooth.
You want this http://www.brewersperformance.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MC1018
or
http://www.brewersperformance.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MCP1018




Yes that's right, I have a 143 tooth flywheel and guessed the OP did too. This clutch I'm using ( in the link I posted ) is big, I think when I measured the clutch plate it was just under 12 inches diameter.
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