I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe

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I would like to spend less that $2500 if possible. I'm not too worried about factory compression I'll be buying new pistons anyway I'm sure The block will need bored . The thin motor mount ears on the 67 block concern me (What does it take to break them ?)The 67 motor with the forged crank is probably my best choice other than the ear thing. What rods will the 67 motor have ( good ones or bad ones? )will the motor home rods be better?

With this in mind use one of the later blocks , though the concerns you have about the 67 block are not really that big a deal and they awill all more than likely have LY rods which are not bad for your HP level wanted.

I would use the closed chamber heads though if they are 915's, but given your location I think you might be hard pressed to do it for that budget with new pistons and boring it.

Posted By: Commando1

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe - 05/27/11 02:03 PM

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I would like to spend less that $2500

NAPA, AutoZone, Advance, et al, rebuilt. $1,600 with core...
Yous pays yer monies and takes yer choices.

Posted By: ademon

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe - 05/27/11 03:32 PM

(915's were prone to cracking and aren't designed for unleaded) The 915 is by far the best BB head, by far!! and once you grind on the so called "unleaded heads" they are the same as any other head, you would need to use hardened seat inserts if you plan on driving a ton of miles, most weekend cruisers don't need the hardened seats.

Posted By: Ray440

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe - 05/27/11 05:38 PM

IMO that cam is to big for your 3:55 gear and 2000 stall convertor. Here's the specs for the cam he listed. I would go 1 step smaller with the Comp XE275HL.
LInk for XE285HL cam
http://www.compcams.com/Company/CC/cam-specs/Details.aspx?csid=712&sb=2

Posted By: JohnRR

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe - 05/27/11 06:06 PM

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IMO that cam is to big for your 3:55 gear and 2000 stall convertor. Here's the specs for the cam he listed. I would go 1 step smaller with the Comp XE275HL.
LInk for XE285HL cam
http://www.compcams.com/Company/CC/cam-specs/Details.aspx?csid=712&sb=2

i agree , and with that gear and convertor ANY single plane is the WRONG intake .

Posted By: 67coronetman

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe - 05/27/11 06:32 PM

Yes it is i had a 440 that was .030 over stock rods & KB pistons stock crank bigger oil pan & pick up with cheap oil mods to help out and a 292/509 mopar cam & lifts with 1.5 rockers 850 holley & 906 heads with bigger valves & mild port work along with a TM-7 intake port matched in a 66 satellite full interior 4200 stall 4:56 gears ran a 11:70 et not bad at all.

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Sealed Power 6 Pack pistons, Mopar performance 292/.509 cam, Holley Street Dominator intake, 800-850 double pumper, 906 or 452 heads at least bowl ported with 2.14/1.81 valves. Tried and true recipe and as cheap as it gets

Posted By: Dusted_Ya

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe - 05/27/11 07:14 PM

Sell those 915's to Ademon for $500 since he LOVES them so much and use the money more wisely. What makes you think he needs to do any grinding on the 452's? Remember he's wanting 400hp not 600 and with 3.55 gears and a 2000 stall converter on a 5000# car your thinking way outside the box! 400hp with stock valved 452's is easy with a simple cam swap and headers! 915's don't flow better than 452's and to take advantage of quench with closed chamber heads requires domed pistons milled to spec which
A: costs alot of money at shop rates
B: puts the compression outside of daily driver/pump gas usage.
The speedpro 6pk pistons are good pistons but their too heavy IMHO Just trying to keep it light (old habit)

Oh and JohnRR I think his shop is thinking about chevy's with the piston flip.

Posted By: JohnRR

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe - 05/27/11 07:45 PM

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915's don't flow better than 452's and to take advantage of quench with closed chamber heads requires domed pistons milled to spec which
A: costs alot of money at shop rates
B: puts the compression outside of daily driver/pump gas usage.
The speedpro 6pk pistons are good pistons but their too heavy IMHO Just trying to keep it light (old habit)

Oh and JohnRR I think his shop is thinking about chevy's with the piston flip.

I think you have that mixed up, you don't need a fancy dome and milling with closed chamber heads for quench, that is with open chamber heads like the 452's. I just did a build with 452's and quench dome Diamond pistons.

Out of the box the 915's probably flow a little better, ported they flow the same as the 452 which is easier for the home porter to do because there is no short turn to worry about which will kill flow if not ported properly.

Every company makes a 2.065ish CH piston which is what the 6pk piston is , mill for zero deck , use a composite gasket and a closed chamber head , DONE. though in this case the KB's might be the better choice with the CANYON they call valve reliefs to keep the compression around 9.5 and very pump gas friendly.

Dust Ya , I figure it was a brand X engine on the piston flip , small block fords can use that the same thing .

Posted By: Von

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe - 05/27/11 08:12 PM

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5000# car

73-74 Bs are heavy, but not close to 5k. 4k, give or take.

Posted By: ademon

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe - 05/27/11 10:36 PM

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Sell those 915's to Ademon for $500 since he LOVES them so much and use the money more wisely. What makes you think he needs to do any grinding on the 452's? Remember he's wanting 400hp not 600 and with 3.55 gears and a 2000 stall converter on a 5000# car your thinking way outside the box! 400hp with stock valved 452's is easy with a simple cam swap and headers! 915's don't flow better than 452's and to take advantage of quench with closed chamber heads requires domed pistons milled to spec which
A: costs alot of money at shop rates
B: puts the compression outside of daily driver/pump gas usage.
The speedpro 6pk pistons are good pistons but their too heavy IMHO Just trying to keep it light (old habit)

Oh and JohnRR I think his shop is thinking about chevy's with the piston flip.

i have got 915's from guys like you with more mopar knowledge, last set cost me $40

Posted By: Dusted_Ya

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe - 05/27/11 11:36 PM

i have got 915's from guys like you with more mopar knowledge, last set cost me $40

I doubt that. Especially if they're selling them for $40...

Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe - 05/27/11 11:58 PM

9:1 speed pros' 915's, summit 488 cam, headers, SD intake 750 holley done. low 13's

Posted By: 73rrak

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe - 05/28/11 12:08 AM

I'm not planning on using the 915's mostly because I don't know much about the motor their on and I'm sure they would need rebuilt. I have a set of 452's that have been checked and surfaced they will need better springs but other than that they are ready to go.

The weight of the 73 Roadrunner is 3,525 lbs I don't know if that's with a big block or small block so I would guess at 3,800 lbs to be safe

Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe - 05/28/11 12:15 AM

452's will be fine. ran 12.90's in a 67 coronet with maybe 9:1 and unported 906's

Posted By: gch

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe - 05/28/11 01:41 AM

Smaller camshaft and lose the torker intake.850 holley is a tad big for your setup.Will it work?Yes.Will it be optimal?No.
Cam around 230*(give or take) @ .050.No need for a high lift cam with stock heads.
Run any dual plane intake.Used Performers are cheap and an rpm a little more.
750 Vacuum secondary would be my choice for carb.
Sell or trade your 850 and torker intake for a dual plane and good 750 vacuum carb.Build for TORQUE.Tons of low end and midrange make a mild geared heavy car fun/happy on the street.Short duration and any more than .500 lift is a waste on stock heads.

Posted By: forphorty

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe - 05/28/11 03:51 AM

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...e=2#Post4656289

Posted By: 73rrak

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe - 05/28/11 05:48 AM

Ok so what am I missing here these guys are running pretty much the same parts I already have( low comp 440 torker intake 800 holley) and are saying they run good. Are these guys balancing these motors after they hone and re-ring them or just running them the way they are without a balance? I would love to be able to just hone one of these motors with new rings and have another play toy without spending $2,300 on a motor in a car I'll hardly ever drive.
I better look at this again before I jump and have a motor built.

Posted By: Dusted_Ya

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe - 05/28/11 05:51 AM

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Smaller camshaft and lose the torker intake.850 holley is a tad big for your setup.Will it work?Yes.Will it be optimal?No.
Cam around 230*(give or take) @ .050.No need for a high lift cam with stock heads.
Run any dual plane intake.Used Performers are cheap and an rpm a little more.
750 Vacuum secondary would be my choice for carb.
Sell or trade your 850 and torker intake for a dual plane and good 750 vacuum carb.Build for TORQUE.Tons of low end and midrange make a mild geared heavy car fun/happy on the street.Short duration and any more than .500 lift is a waste on stock heads.

Exactly! Kinda what I said without the drunken undertones...

Posted By: ademon

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe - 05/28/11 06:17 AM

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Ok so what am I missing here these guys are running pretty much the same parts I already have( low comp 440 torker intake 800 holley) and are saying they run good. Are these guys balancing these motors after they hone and re-ring them or just running them the way they are without a balance? I would love to be able to just hone one of these motors with new rings and have another play toy without spending $2,300 on a motor in a car I'll hardly ever drive.
I better look at this again before I jump and have a motor built.

go for it i had a bone stock 383 with a small 220 @.050 cam with CC 516 heads, stock 68 intake and carb, headers run 12.50's in a RR.

Posted By: VITC_GTX

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe - 05/28/11 06:25 AM

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440+6 pistons,.484 cam,perf rpm intake,750 v/s carb,home ported 906's,headers,11.95-12.05 et in street-3500#=cheap fun!

Posted By: dOoC

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe - 05/28/11 06:48 AM

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440+6 pistons,.484 cam,perf rpm intake,750 v/s carb,home ported 906's,headers,11.95-12.05 et in street-3500#=cheap fun!

Sweeeet combo ...

Posted By: pro6pakRR

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe - 05/28/11 08:51 AM

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I need a decent inexpensive engine recipe For a 73 Roadrunner 3:55 rear gear 2000 stall I have a 77 MH block a cast crank 75 HP block and a 67 block. I also have 452 906 and 516 heads. I would like to make 400 hp at the rear wheels.

I had a bone stock 71 440HP,with a 533 mopar cam and a 6 bbl.That ran 12.40's in my 3895# 70 road runner all day long.

Posted By: superbyrd

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe - 05/28/11 11:21 AM

ah yes. again, someone asking for engine build opinions,have lots of mis-matched parts on hand,and hoping to hear what they want to here....
slap one of those engines together (any of them), use the heads (any of them) all the other parts you have on hand already, and it will make 400HP at the tires

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that was the answer you were looking for.........

Posted By: 73rrak

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe - 05/28/11 05:44 PM

Superbyrd .... I'm not trying to hear what I want to hear I'm trying to get enough information to make a good decision. I thought that's what this forum was all about sharing information to help people not passing judgment. I don't want to waste money that I don't need to putting a motor together for a mild street cruiser that I'll hardly ever drive. I know I should just buy all the right parts and build the perfect motor for the car but if I can put a motor together using up parts I already have that would be great. I'm not going to put 10,000 miles a year on the car I'm not trying to build the fastest car on the planet I'm just building a car that me and my wife can jump in on a Saturday night go for a cruise and get a burger. I already have a couple fast cars that pretty much scare my wife and we can't hear each other talk ( maybe not a bad thing hahahha) when we're in them.

Posted By: joedust451

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe - 05/28/11 06:14 PM

Should be very easy getting 400 rwhp, my guess, around 470-480 at the flywheel, very easy to do with a 440, This can be done with factory pistons & bolt-ons/cam change on the pre 71 short blocks, if not, this is what i'd do for a later block.

.030", TRW 2355s, block prep.
Cleaned up 906 or 452 heads (decent VJ) no porting
XE274H or 275HL cam & springs
True roller chain set
TRW oil pump, doesn't need to be high volume.
1.7/8" headers full length, or even Shoe-Mack.
2.1/2" exhaust.
SD intake or RPM.
750 3310 vs. only because of the gears/converter your useing.
Good ignition with a nice adj. timing curve in dist..

The car should easialy get into the 12s in a B body. & be VERY street friendly, i'd run pump premium.

Posted By: superbyrd

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe - 05/28/11 08:37 PM

with JOEDUST451,on the cheap,since you have a good,usable set of 452's, this combo would be the cheapest route. even with the purchase of carb/intake/cam, should come in under your budget......and still scare the wife.

Posted By: RUNCHARGER

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe - 05/28/11 09:41 PM

If you want an honest 400HP at the tires I'm not seeing it using stock iron heads with stock valve sizes etc.
If you want to use stock heads without spending $2k on porting and preparing them you might as well do a quick valve job on them and put nitrous on top that's the only way I see 400HP at the tires.
If you want to make 400HP on the motor the cheapest way there will involve a set of Edelbrock heads a good hydraulic cam and a stockish shortblock with 9.5 or 10.5-1 compression measured.
Your torker intake is wrong for a 2000 convertor, 3.55 gears and 4000lbs. your 800 DP is also wrong for those components.
I would not use the Six Pack replacement pistons as suggested many times above. You can use them but for $100 more invest in a lighter set of pistons and your engine will live longer.
If it was me I'd build a stock shortblock except for something like Diamond flattops. I'd sell the Torker, 800 and all those other BB cast iron. Then I'd get a set of Edelbrock heads and a used Holley Street Dominator intake or an Edelbrock dual plane. When I had all of that stuff figured out I'd come on here for a camshaft and carb. recommendation. (and when I think about it, I'm not so sure there is a camshaft that will make 400HP at the rear wheels and will work with a stock stroke 440 and a 2000RPM convertor).
And like I say the other way is to ball hone it, get a valve job done, stick in new bearings, use the Torker, and put a nitrous plate under the 800.

Sheldon

Posted By: joedust451

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe - 05/28/11 10:17 PM

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If you want an honest 400HP at the tires I'm not seeing it using stock iron heads with stock valve sizes etc.
If you want to use stock heads without spending $2k on porting and preparing them you might as well do a quick valve job on them and put nitrous on top that's the only way I see 400HP at the tires.
If you want to make 400HP on the motor the cheapest way there will involve a set of Edelbrock heads a good hydraulic cam and a stockish shortblock with 9.5 or 10.5-1 compression measured.
Your torker intake is wrong for a 2000 convertor, 3.55 gears and 4000lbs. your 800 DP is also wrong for those components.
I would not use the Six Pack replacement pistons as suggested many times above. You can use them but for $100 more invest in a lighter set of pistons and your engine will live longer.
If it was me I'd build a stock shortblock except for something like Diamond flattops. I'd sell the Torker, 800 and all those other BB cast iron. Then I'd get a set of Edelbrock heads and a used Holley Street Dominator intake or an Edelbrock dual plane. When I had all of that stuff figured out I'd come on here for a camshaft and carb. recommendation. (and when I think about it, I'm not so sure there is a camshaft that will make 400HP at the rear wheels and will work with a stock stroke 440 and a 2000RPM convertor).
And like I say the other way is to ball hone it, get a valve job done, stick in new bearings, use the Torker, and put a nitrous plate under the 800.

Sheldon

You can make 400rwhp easy with factory iron heads, I made 500 fwhp with a set, he wants to build it on the cheap, This cannot be done with high priced pistons & eddy heads.

Yeah, installing a plate kit is the cheapest.

Posted By: d-150

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe - 05/28/11 11:30 PM

sell all heads kb hyper pistons 440 source heads 60303 voodoo cam. keep or sell torker intake get rpm performer or holley sd for a little more lowend.cant get any cheaper per horsepower than this

I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe