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17 ' wheels on a 1971 Challenger convertible

Posted By: sanman68

17 ' wheels on a 1971 Challenger convertible - 05/01/11 02:47 AM

I want to switch from 14" rims to 17" rims on my 1971 challenger. What width rims do I need and what back spacing. I want to fit the largest tire I can without rubbing. The car is stock specs. I am going with larger brakes and need the room. Also I will be rebuilding the front and rear suspension while I'm under the car. I am thinking I need 17x8 with 4.5 backspacing. What size tires too.

Also on another subject: Anybody put a fuel injected GEN 3 Hemi in their muscle car? How hard was it? What did you do fo wiring? Did you use fuel injection? This is my next project.

Thanks
Sanman

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Posted By: Dago Red

Re: 17 ' wheels on a 1971 Challenger convertible - 05/01/11 03:25 AM

Do the name "butt ugly" ring any bells????
Posted By: AndyF

Re: 17 ' wheels on a 1971 Challenger convertible - 05/01/11 03:35 AM

Width and backspacing for 17 inch rims would be the same as for any other size of rim. If you have a 14 inch rim that fits properly then just order 17 inch rims with the same width and backspacing and your tires will be in the same location.
Posted By: Lee446

Re: 17 ' wheels on a 1971 Challenger convertible - 05/01/11 05:08 PM

I put 17x9 with 5.25 backspacing on back and 17x8 with 4.5 on the front of my 70 Cuda, no issues whatsoever. To me, the key to running 17's and looking good is to use a tire with some sidewall height. 45 aspect tires are too short, I would not use less than a 55. I bought a 69 Sat that had 17's on it with properly sized tires and most folks never notice it. There is a huge difference in the amount of tires available in 17 compared to 15". With a v or z rated tire, the difference in handling is very noticable also.
Posted By: bboogieart

Re: 17 ' wheels on a 1971 Challenger convertible - 05/01/11 05:32 PM

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Width and backspacing for 17 inch rims would be the same as for any other size of rim. If you have a 14 inch rim that fits properly then just order 17 inch rims with the same width and backspacing and your tires will be in the same location.



Yep but you probably want to go wider as 14" wheels were very narrow.
Should be able to get away with standard back space. As far as how they look that is a question only you can answer for yourself as opinions are like butt-wholes every one has one and they all stink
Posted By: V194

Re: 17 ' wheels on a 1971 Challenger convertible - 05/01/11 06:20 PM

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Also on another subject: Anybody put a fuel injected GEN 3 Hemi in their muscle car? How hard was it? What did you do for wiring? Did you use fuel injection? This is my next project.

Thanks
Sanman




I have asked this a number of times and still wonder why no one has put together a book on the subject. There are a couple of magazine articles on the subject but like many they tend to publish the "highlights"
Companies like web page and web page have been helpful in providing info. But generally I have found people just give you a blank stare here.
Swapping the engine to my knowledge will need special mounts, the engine of course, a decision on what type of trans you want to use each has its benefits and problems. A special oil pan, special fuel tank, special headers or Jeep exhaust manifolds. Possible oil filter relocation. Wiring is usually obtained when you get your engine, IF you are getting a scrap yard pull. Make sure to get all accessories and mounts, and all of the wiring and the computer. Buying the computer separate runs like $2K or the kit with wiring at about $4K or a crate engine (5.7) at $7.5-8K). So basically the parts IMO are still too high to make it worth while on a lot of fronts. A crate 360/390 is $5K and that is 30hp more than the crate 5.7 and $2k less.
So you wont really get a lot of information from most on this swap. It appears to be more of a jump in and see what happens type of thing.

A little off subject but I was interested in doing a procharger system and all of the magazines make it look simple and highly recommend the Supercharger store. I told the guy there I wanted a 30-40% increase in hp on my 440 he said the kit was $7-8K! Still again not a feasible "modification" IMO. For that price you could get a 522/600hp from CME and they build the whole thing (no parts chasing)

Just my 2 cents
Posted By: patrick

Re: 17 ' wheels on a 1971 Challenger convertible - 05/02/11 02:45 PM

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Width and backspacing for 17 inch rims would be the same as for any other size of rim. If you have a 14 inch rim that fits properly then just order 17 inch rims with the same width and backspacing and your tires will be in the same location.




keep the same offset....

a typical RWD mopar offset is ~ 1/4" (6.35mm) positive offset (what a 15x7 cop wheel is with it's 4.25" back space. so a 17x7 with 4.25 will fit fine. a 17x8 with 4.75" backspace is the same, +6.35mm offset.

tires, keep the overall width/diameter about the same as what others are using (say, if they're using a 255/60R15, a 235/55R17 is the same height, ~7/16" narrower, or a 255/50R17 is the same width/height as the 255/60R15)...

if you want all the same size so you can rotate the tires, I'd go 17x7 or 17x8 with 235/55R17....lots of tire options in that size (OEM size for the mustang GT, and ford crown vic police interceptors)
Posted By: JSR1485

Re: 17 ' wheels on a 1971 Challenger convertible - 05/02/11 04:09 PM

17's off a New Charger or 300 fit no problem they have 4.50 backspace, the Mustang rims require spacers to fit , they have over 5.50 back space. You can get a 225/50r17 on the front and 275/50r17 on the rear of a A-body no problem using Charger wheels
Posted By: Kirby

Re: 17 ' wheels on a 1971 Challenger convertible - 05/02/11 05:39 PM

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Do the name "butt ugly" ring any bells????




Most of us don't like fat chicks- so what's your point?
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: 17 ' wheels on a 1971 Challenger convertible - 05/02/11 05:50 PM

the 17's would look bad unless you use a short sidewall tire. I'd guess you'd be ok w/ 17x8 rear 17x7 up front.
Depends on how far you want to go with the new Hemi. If you keep it carb'd it would as hard or as expensive as if you wanted to use the EFI. I think you can even mate a SB trans to it.
Posted By: AndyF

Re: 17 ' wheels on a 1971 Challenger convertible - 05/02/11 06:44 PM

I like the 235/55-17 tire on any B-body or E-body. I went ahead and called it the perfect 17 inch tire for these cars in my latest book.
Posted By: GoodysGotaCuda

Re: 17 ' wheels on a 1971 Challenger convertible - 05/02/11 07:32 PM

Mine are 17 and 18s, but sharing specs.

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Rims
American Racing Torque Thrust M's
Front - 17x8 with 4.5" backspacing
Rear - 18x9 with 5.9" backspacing

Notes - The rear 18s are running 3/4" wheel spacers to keep the tire off the spring. The axle has 3" studs to allow for proper lug engagement with the thick aluminum wheel and spacers. Also, that particular wheel has a different size hub for the 17 and 18. The 18" wheel will NOT fit on the front without modifying the hub on the car, or the wheel. I stumbled upon this when I got the 18s first and I wanted to just try them on the front.

Tires - Nitto 555
Front - 255/45/17
Rear - 295/45/18

Suspension
Front ride height - 24 1/2" from the ground to the center of the wheel well.
Rear ride height - 26"

Front suspension is stock torsion bar suspension. The rear has super stock leaf springs with 1" lowering blocks. (~about stock height)

Rear clearances - 1/2" from the tire to the leaf spring, and 1/2" from the tire to the 1/4 panel. 1" for the same locations, but to the actual rim lip.





Posted By: RTSE4ME

Re: 17 ' wheels on a 1971 Challenger convertible - 05/02/11 09:57 PM

Nitto makes a 275/50/17 which is about 28" tall and has plenty of sidewall. I think this is the tallest 17" passenger car tire available. Should work for the rear with the correct backspace wheels.
I have them on my Challenger but I also have a b-body dana so my wheel specs wont work for you.
Posted By: 74_360_Cuda

Re: 17 ' wheels on a 1971 Challenger convertible - 06/18/11 08:20 AM

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Mine are 17 and 18s, but sharing specs.

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Rims
American Racing Torque Thrust M's
Front - 17x8 with 4.5" backspacing
Rear - 18x9 with 5.9" backspacing

Notes - The rear 18s are running 3/4" wheel spacers to keep the tire off the spring. The axle has 3" studs to allow for proper lug engagement with the thick aluminum wheel and spacers. Also, that particular wheel has a different size hub for the 17 and 18. The 18" wheel will NOT fit on the front without modifying the hub on the car, or the wheel. I stumbled upon this when I got the 18s first and I wanted to just try them on the front.

Tires - Nitto 555
Front - 255/45/17
Rear - 295/45/18

Suspension
Front ride height - 24 1/2" from the ground to the center of the wheel well.
Rear ride height - 26"

Front suspension is stock torsion bar suspension. The rear has super stock leaf springs with 1" lowering blocks. (~about stock height)

Rear clearances - 1/2" from the tire to the leaf spring, and 1/2" from the tire to the 1/4 panel. 1" for the same locations, but to the actual rim lip.










Do you think you would have enough clearance in front for Dr Diff disk brake kit that add 1/4 inch?
Posted By: cogen80

Re: 17 ' wheels on a 1971 Challenger convertible - 06/18/11 12:09 PM

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...;gonew=1#UNREAD
Posted By: cudazappa

Re: 17 ' wheels on a 1971 Challenger convertible - 06/18/11 12:30 PM

I fit 17x9s with 275/40s all around on my stock suspension challenger.

Backspace is 5" in rear, 5 1/16" in front. 5.25 backspace would be just about ideal. It is TIGHT in front.

Yeah, I used mustang wheels and spacers because I'm not made of money...



Posted By: abodyjoe

Re: 17 ' wheels on a 1971 Challenger convertible - 06/18/11 12:37 PM

here are newer magnum wheels on one.




Posted By: 71_dramaqueen

Re: 17 ' wheels on a 1971 Challenger convertible - 06/20/11 01:28 AM

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Mine are 17 and 18s, but sharing specs.

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Rims
American Racing Torque Thrust M's
Front - 17x8 with 4.5" backspacing
Rear - 18x9 with 5.9" backspacing

Notes - The rear 18s are running 3/4" wheel spacers to keep the tire off the spring. The axle has 3" studs to allow for proper lug engagement with the thick aluminum wheel and spacers. Also, that particular wheel has a different size hub for the 17 and 18. The 18" wheel will NOT fit on the front without modifying the hub on the car, or the wheel. I stumbled upon this when I got the 18s first and I wanted to just try them on the front.

Tires - Nitto 555
Front - 255/45/17
Rear - 295/45/18

Suspension
Front ride height - 24 1/2" from the ground to the center of the wheel well.
Rear ride height - 26"

Front suspension is stock torsion bar suspension. The rear has super stock leaf springs with 1" lowering blocks. (~about stock height)

Rear clearances - 1/2" from the tire to the leaf spring, and 1/2" from the tire to the 1/4 panel. 1" for the same locations, but to the actual rim lip.











Why wont the 18's work? I don't understand how the diameter would cause any difference in hub fit.
Posted By: BDW

Re: 17 ' wheels on a 1971 Challenger convertible - 06/20/11 02:55 AM

The 18's are designed for the Mustang, so the hubs are smaller.
I have same rims and ground down the rib in the hub to fit my rear.
Posted By: 71_dramaqueen

Re: 17 ' wheels on a 1971 Challenger convertible - 06/20/11 07:42 AM

Forgive my ignorance, what do you mean by rib? The outer most part of the hole that centers the rim on the hub? What where you grinding with, a mill? Man a picture or diagram would sure help here.
Posted By: cudazappa

Re: 17 ' wheels on a 1971 Challenger convertible - 06/20/11 08:42 PM

The center register on Mustang wheels is about .039" smaller in diameter.

You can either open up the rims, or cut down the hub on your brakes/axles. If you run spacers on the rear that are wider than 1/4" you don't need to do it for the back.

Disc brakes in the front still have the issue even with 1 1/4" spacers.

I cut down my rotors in the front on a lathe to fit my rims.

Posted By: BDW

Re: 17 ' wheels on a 1971 Challenger convertible - 06/20/11 10:47 PM

The register on these specific rims is only a small rib, and not the whole opening. I was able to take off this 1/4" lip fairly easy.

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