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1973 340 Choke Thermostat

Posted By: Dave Watt

1973 340 Choke Thermostat - 04/05/11 12:24 AM

I'm looking to purchase a choke thermostat for a '73 340 Thermoquad. No idea what it should look like. I've been online to NAPA, Advance, and O'Reilly. Auto Zone seems to have the only one that is labled correctly, most will show a 340 2BBL application. This is a Duralast manufactured by Wells. Does this look correct?
Web pagehttp://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/D...56_207659_8298_

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Posted By: NachoRT74

Re: 1973 340 Choke Thermostat - 04/05/11 12:52 AM

thats the one my BB 4bbls have and I think SBs are the same

connects to this:


welll actually thats double stage for BB... the SB uses single stage which are the same but without the ballast
Posted By: Dave Watt

Re: 1973 340 Choke Thermostat - 04/05/11 01:30 AM

Where in the world does that thing go and what is it? I've had my car for 26 years, learn something new every day.
Posted By: 72roadrunnergtx

Re: 1973 340 Choke Thermostat - 04/05/11 01:54 AM

Here's some detailed info on choke heater controls
Posted By: Dave Watt

Re: 1973 340 Choke Thermostat - 04/05/11 03:22 AM

Very interesting read. You've really done some intense work to get it right. Thanks for sharing with us.
Posted By: NachoRT74

Re: 1973 340 Choke Thermostat - 04/05/11 04:01 AM

is not REEAAALLY NEEDED OR MANDATORY due engine heats by itself the coil, but is an electrical assistant to shorten the choking time and really helps out.

the units with ballast sends two diff voltage sets what changes with engine bay temperature. ( double stage )

The units without that, has only one voltage level untill warms up ( single stage )

normally SB and /6 carries single stages
Posted By: Dave Watt

Re: 1973 340 Choke Thermostat - 04/05/11 02:07 PM

Actually, I think your information will help an engine with the heat crossover blocked off.
Thanks again.
Posted By: Dave Watt

Re: 1973 340 Choke Thermostat - 04/05/11 02:08 PM

So is the part in my above photo the correct part for a '73 340?
Posted By: burdar

Re: 1973 340 Choke Thermostat - 04/05/11 04:10 PM

NO it's not...at least it's not for a 318 application.

My 73 318 uses two bolts to hold it to the intake. All the replacements I've found use one bolt and one tab like in your picture.
Posted By: 72roadrunnergtx

Re: 1973 340 Choke Thermostat - 04/05/11 08:42 PM

73’ was the first year electrically heated choke springs were used for most engine carburetor combinations. The intent was to get the choke off quicker than engine heat alone could for the sake of meeting emission requirements of the day. If the choke spring pictured is correct for your application, the pic clearly shows it having a heating element, then a choke control was installed on your car originally (usually under a intake manifold bolt head, on the passenger side near the choke well). Unlike modern day aftermarket electric chokes, those heating elements draw close to 2 amps while in operation and was only required during the first 5-10 minutes of cold start, after which crossover heat keeps the spring relaxed. 2 amps added to the ignition run circuit, including the bulkhead connector and ignition switch. As mentioned, there were a couple different versions, with and without a by-pass resistor, and was later superseded to a solid state design around 77’ or so and continued on through to the end of carbureted engines.
I believe Nacho’s point was if you go without the controller (don’t power up the heating element and crossover is open) there will be sufficient heat to open the choke, just later than originally designed.
Posted By: burdar

Re: 1973 340 Choke Thermostat - 04/05/11 08:55 PM

The choke control was mounted to the front coil bracket bolt. I've been looking for origonal pictures of 73 340's. I havn't found one yet that clearly shows the thermostat. Other than the number of mounting bolts, the one pictured is right.

I did find a picture of a survivor 74 Cuda with a 318 and it has the mounting arangement like the one you pictured. It just uses a straight rod instead of an angled one like the 4-barrels had. The 73 318's may have used an oddball thermostate.
Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: 1973 340 Choke Thermostat - 04/05/11 09:07 PM

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thats the one my BB 4bbls have and I think SBs are the same

connects to this:


welll actually thats double stage for BB... the SB uses single stage which are the same but without the ballast




Are those available in the aftermarket? I'm thinking so. I have a few stock iron manifolds with those things still attached.
Posted By: 440newport

Re: 1973 340 Choke Thermostat - 04/05/11 09:16 PM

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Are those available in the aftermarket? I'm thinking so. I have a few stock iron manifolds with those things still attached.




You can get a modern equivalent that works the same, but they don't look like originals.

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Posted By: T2R9

Re: 1973 340 Choke Thermostat - 04/05/11 09:17 PM

The picture the OP posted does not look correct for a 340, I used a 73 340 choke on my Duster with a TQ and the rod was straight. I got mine from Rock Auto. LINK I would also like to find out if the resister is available new, I need one for my Charger, and have had no luck finding one.
Posted By: burdar

Re: 1973 340 Choke Thermostat - 04/05/11 09:21 PM

I found a resistor on E-bay but it was NOS and I didn't really want to spend that much.

I'm almost possitive the 4-barrel cars had an angled rod. The carbs are a lot wider so a straight rod wouldn't work.
Posted By: Dave Watt

Re: 1973 340 Choke Thermostat - 04/05/11 10:19 PM

Lets say the crossover is blocked off such as with the Edelbrock heads. After the car warms up, do you constantly power the choke thermostat to keep it open? Or will the thermostat burn up?
Posted By: NachoRT74

Re: 1973 340 Choke Thermostat - 04/06/11 12:59 AM

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I believe Nacho’s point was if you go without the controller (don’t power up the heating element and crossover is open) there will be sufficient heat to open the choke, just later than originally designed.





yes, exactly that..

BTW I have a NOS CORRECT choke assistan that could sell BUT dunno about the shipping cost being overseas... killer by fedex/ups/dhl due the cost, but regular postal service maybe is affordable just that will take around a month to get it delivered

with the crossover blocked I would consider the electrical assistant control MANDATORY
Posted By: NachoRT74

Re: 1973 340 Choke Thermostat - 04/06/11 05:40 AM

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Lets say the crossover is blocked off such as with the Edelbrock heads. After the car warms up, do you constantly power the choke thermostat to keep it open? Or will the thermostat burn up?




the power is an automatic feed from control unit as soon you start your engine ( key in run ). If wired like factory did, you don't control that, just ign switch and it decreases the power when engine temp is reached, thats the deal for the control unit. If wasn't in that way wouldn't make sense hook a control unit, instead wire the choke directly from ign switch

Hard to damage the choke really

LATER models ( the round ones ) were also used along with a three prongs oil sender switch, where the power to controil is turned on just when oil sender sense the oil, meaning engine is running. In that way you won't heat the choke just switching on the ign swithc at RUN without start the engine
Posted By: Dave Watt

Re: 1973 340 Choke Thermostat - 04/06/11 07:50 PM

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You can get a modern equivalent that works the same, but they don't look like originals.



Can you tell us what make and model of car uses this style?
Posted By: NachoRT74

Re: 1973 340 Choke Thermostat - 04/06/11 07:54 PM

here is the one I'm talking about without the ballast attached and the right one for 73/74


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-1973-...=item53e3e39a7b

not cheap, but mostly sure somewhere somebody will float on another one

or simply get the double stage one and done! will work the same

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-37557...=item35b101fb06

I think in fact you can cut the ballast anyway and will work like a single stage, need to be sure though.

I have both kind NOS, will check casted number on white plastic to check if PN matches, and just service PN is diff due teh ballast
Posted By: 72roadrunnergtx

Re: 1973 340 Choke Thermostat - 04/06/11 10:12 PM

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You can get a modern equivalent that works the same, but they don't look like originals.



I would question referring to any of these variants as a "modern" equivalent. There was a later 70s design (button style),replacements are still in production in the aftermarket world.
If you chose to go with the NOS versions of the original design, be sure to get a couple of spares, they didn't last long back then and won't last any longer now. The high current draw of the heating element burns the contacts to the point that current no longer passes through it at all. Careful describing the resistor as a ballast, it's simply a power resistor used originally to give some versions of the controller two levels/stages of power/voltage to the heater. The later button style controller had some versions having the power resistor connected as a by-pass. The contacts were either closed (providing full voltage to the heater) or when open, depending on engine temperature, would provide partial voltage, via the power resistor, throughout the remainder of the run cycle.
Reminder, current aftermarket electric chokes don't pull anywhere near the amount of current these OEM heaters do and are designed to be connected to ign-run circuits full time. Any currently available aftermarket choke delay/timer controls will not likely handle the current load of the factory type heating elements for very long.

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Lets say the crossover is blocked off such as with the Edelbrock heads. After the car warms up, do you constantly power the choke thermostat to keep it open? Or will the thermostat burn up?




If your cross-over is blocked, like I found with the Edlebrock heads/six-pack set-up, you may need to run a by-pass design as I have described in the above link. I wouldn't run the full current of that heater though my wiring full time. Heating element is not likely to burn-up, the wiring, bulkhead connectors, ignition switch and it's connections likely will.
Posted By: NachoRT74

Re: 1973 340 Choke Thermostat - 04/06/11 10:58 PM

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If you chose to go with the NOS versions of the original design, be sure to get a couple of spares, they didn't last long back then and won't last any longer now.




well actually I have in my car one still working since factory days, from a donor 400 engine I got around 10 years ago.

and haven't found it gets me high loads to the system

maybe just luck ?

Posted By: 72roadrunnergtx

Re: 1973 340 Choke Thermostat - 04/07/11 04:18 AM

Are you sure it's still fully functional? Taken any measurements lately? resistance across those contacts when cold? Full battery voltage at the heater when controller is activated? Had it open to have look inside? I've personally replaced hundreds of those controllers (including the later button type) wrenching on these cars back in the day at dealers. So common for them to have stop functioning in short order, they were considered a tune-up part, automatically issued out over the back counter along with the spark plugs, PCV valves, and filters on almost every car. Why do think there are so many NOS controllers for sale today? Factory tune was so lean, most cars had better cold drivability without the choke spring heater functioning. Most cases, mileage suffered somewhat with the prolonged choke function which tended to help bring the vehicles in for the tune-up in the first place. I have two NOS controllers right now, one lasted about 6-months before I designed something that could handle the heating element current and didn't depend on a small bi-metal strip for its timing.
Posted By: NachoRT74

Re: 1973 340 Choke Thermostat - 04/07/11 04:28 AM

well last time I checked was functional... but it was long time ago...

will check soon
Posted By: Steve340

Re: 1973 340 Choke Thermostat - 04/13/11 03:23 AM

This is the 340 one. Part # 4027793.

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