Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels?

Posted By: bordin34

Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? - 03/02/11 03:24 AM

So I found a 66-67 Big-block belvedere in a junkyard with 15" wheels. Were 15" wheels an option on them and if so are they desirable? Also there is an R-body 5th Ave would this have the 11.75" adapters?
Thanks

Posted By: Kern Dog

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? - 03/02/11 08:33 AM

I have seen plenty of Diplomat/5th ave/Gran Fury cars in the yards and have never seen them with anything other than the 11 inch front brakes. The only cars that I have seen the 12 inch front rotors on are the 74 and later Cordoba/Charger/Fury models. They may have been on other cars but I have only seen them on those cars.
Regarding the 15 inch wheels: I dont think that Pre 1970 cars except C body and Imperial models had them. Maybe HEMI cars being the exception. The 83-89 Dippy/5th ave/ GF cars had them, and they had decent backspacing as well.

Posted By: patrick

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? - 03/02/11 02:17 PM

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So I found a 66-67 Big-block belvedere in a junkyard with 15" wheels. Were 15" wheels an option on them and if so are they desirable? Also there is an R-body 5th Ave would this have the 11.75" adapters?
Thanks

R-body 5th ave (80-82) would have the big brakes, as it's a reskinned and stretched B.

R body wheels are either 15x6.5 or 15x7, not sure which. '83-up M's are 15x7 w/4.25" BS

Posted By: bordin34

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? - 03/03/11 01:58 AM

Can anybody identify these wheels?

Posted By: ro23_j

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? - 03/03/11 02:51 AM

From the pictures, those appear to be 15x6JK wheels. Used on C-body cars with disc brakes and also used on the '67 RO/WO cars. If I am not mistaken, they were also used on '68 Hemi cars. The date code is stamped next to the valve stem, as is the width. All I can see in the picture is 60, which is the width.

Posted By: wally426ci

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? - 03/03/11 03:17 AM

Hey Bourdin, the black 5th avenue closer to the bridge looked to have decent 15's on it. i think they are 15x7 judging by the responses i got on here. There is also a 5th avenue over with some other random cars if you look to the left past the 87 camaro when you are heading toward the office to pay.

Posted By: bordin34

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? - 03/03/11 04:38 AM

I got the 15s from the 5th ave by the bridge, but it was literally 5:00 by the time I got them up front and they refused to take the tires off so I am going back tomorrow for them.
The only other numbers on those C-body rim I could see were 2 number (2)'s. Are they worth grabbing? They are actually on a Fury III not a belvedere.

Posted By: B5 Bee

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? - 03/03/11 03:30 PM

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From the pictures, those appear to be 15x6JK wheels. Used on C-body cars with disc brakes and also used on the '67 RO/WO cars. If I am not mistaken, they were also used on '68 Hemi cars.

'67 wheels are different than '68. The '67 wheel used a 10" cap, the '68 a 9".

Posted By: feets

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? - 03/03/11 09:47 PM

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I have seen plenty of Diplomat/5th ave/Gran Fury cars in the yards and have never seen them with anything other than the 11 inch front brakes. The only cars that I have seen the 12 inch front rotors on are the 74 and later Cordoba/Charger/Fury models. They may have been on other cars but I have only seen them on those cars.

The police package Dippys as well as a few of the fleet cars had the large 11.75" brakes.

Posted By: 64Post

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? - 03/03/11 11:02 PM

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From the pictures, those appear to be 15x6JK wheels. Used on C-body cars with disc brakes and also used on the '67 RO/WO cars. If I am not mistaken, they were also used on '68 Hemi cars.

'67 wheels are different than '68. The '67 wheel used a 10" cap, the '68 a 9".

Posted By: patrick

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? - 03/03/11 11:07 PM

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I have seen plenty of Diplomat/5th ave/Gran Fury cars in the yards and have never seen them with anything other than the 11 inch front brakes. The only cars that I have seen the 12 inch front rotors on are the 74 and later Cordoba/Charger/Fury models. They may have been on other cars but I have only seen them on those cars.

The police package Dippys as well as a few of the fleet cars had the large 11.75" brakes.

nope, all F/M/J's had 10.87" discs from the factory. only the B's & R's had the 11.75's....in fact I *think* that's all they had after about mid '76...

Posted By: feets

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? - 03/03/11 11:23 PM

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The police package Dippys as well as a few of the fleet cars had the large 11.75" brakes.

nope, all F/M/J's had 10.87" discs from the factory. only the B's & R's had the 11.75's....in fact I *think* that's all they had after about mid '76...

You are incorrect sir. I pulled my 11.75" caliper brackets off a Diplomat police car.
In fact, I pulled a couple sets for other folks too. Pick-n-Pull used to be very nice to me in my junkyarding days.

Posted By: Kern Dog

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? - 03/04/11 12:48 AM

Must be either a Texas thing or your harbor freight tape measure.
Heh heh heh.

Posted By: patrick

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? - 03/04/11 02:06 PM

never seen it in all my 8 years of yarding for M body parts, nobody's ever documented it on dippy.org, and there's no reference to 11.75" discs in my '85,'86, & '88 M body FSM's....if I had to guess, it was a popular upgrade for people after the fact....

were they pin or slider mount? I've only seen slider mounts in factory apps after about '77 or so on all the late B &R's I've scrounged through, too...

Posted By: feets

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? - 03/04/11 09:50 PM

They used slider mounts. I have a pair of those mounts in my garage waiting to go back on the hot rod if it doesn't sell with the big brakes.

Rockauto.com lists 11.75" rotors for an 1981 Grand Fury. Most of them were the 10.8" rotors but some police package cars had the big ones.

Once again, never say never with Chrysler.

Posted By: A38s!

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? - 03/04/11 10:36 PM

They're out there.

B F M R. J? Just pulled 11.75s from a Dip civilian.

Posted By: Kern Dog

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? - 03/05/11 03:11 AM

The interchangeability of these cars coupled with them being in the hands of the public for 25+ years means that strange combinations NEVER assembled by Chrysler can be found quite often.

Posted By: cudazappa

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? - 03/05/11 01:59 PM

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They used slider mounts. I have a pair of those mounts in my garage waiting to go back on the hot rod if it doesn't sell with the big brakes.

Rockauto.com lists 11.75" rotors for an 1981 Grand Fury. Most of them were the 10.8" rotors but some police package cars had the big ones.

Once again, never say never with Chrysler.

1980-1981 Gran Fury is an R-body. It became an M-body in 1982. QED R-body = 11.75 rotors.

Maybe your Diplomat cop car was really a St. Regis? But, its an easy 2 hour upgrade. Police depts. scrapping R-bodies and buying M-bodies... doesn't seem like a leap to me. And then those M-bodies becoming taxis.... I saw them in service at college from 98-2001.

Posted By: Erics5th

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? - 03/05/11 04:45 PM

The only difference between the civilian M body brakes and police/fleet M bodys are the rear brakes. The front disks where the same size, the rears on police cars used 11X2.5" inch drums instead of the 10X2.5"

Posted By: feets

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? - 03/05/11 08:23 PM

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The only difference between the civilian M body brakes and police/fleet M bodys are the rear brakes. The front disks where the same size, the rears on police cars used 11X2.5" inch drums instead of the 10X2.5"

That's a beautiful thing. Tell it to the cars I pulled the brakes off of in the 90s.
I know the M bodies. I drove a 79 LeBaron for a few years. Some of the cop cars had 11.75" brakes. I'm sorry it's so difficult for some folks to understand.
It happened. Get over it.

Posted By: Erics5th

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? - 03/06/11 12:17 AM

Mmm, no. Nothing to get over. Facts are facts.

Posted By: 5thAve

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? - 03/06/11 04:02 AM

Every one of them Ive ever seen had the normal size front brakes. Even the ordering books from Chrysler only anyhing about the back. Id almost guess some agency had older parts around and swapped them on but who knows.

The bigger drums disappeared in 1988.

Posted By: feets

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? - 03/06/11 02:59 PM

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Mmm, no. Nothing to get over. Facts are facts.

Exactly. I simply stated the facts.

Posted By: Supercuda

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? - 03/06/11 03:49 PM

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Mmm, no. Nothing to get over. Facts are facts.

Exactly. I simply stated the facts.

Facts, hmm. fact is no M body came from the factory with 11.75" rotors. If you found one, it was swapped by someone. Fact.

Posted By: feets

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? - 03/06/11 07:49 PM

I guess I'll have to carry half of the Moparts crowd in my back pocket next time I go to the yards to pull parts.

I've got nothing to gain by telling tall tales concerning parts pulled off cars nearly 20 years ago. I must have been lucky more than once with the exact same parts on the same kind of cars.
Maybe it was a local department thing. I dunno. I went looking for white M bodies. Very few of them had what I wanted but I did find and pull the parts myself.

Fact your little heart away. I really don't care.