Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels?

Posted By: patrick

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 03/02/11 02:21 PM

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If 17 x 8 wheels will clear and thats a big if , Specialty Wheels has an 17 inch band they use to make their 17 x 8 Magnum wheels. This is a drop center band. This band will accept a standard 15 inch old style steel wheel center , that will take a 9" dogdish cap. May have to use a spacer...
Just a possible idea.

Frank Long

doubt a drop center wheel will clear the brakes. IIRC a 17" won't clear the R/T brakes, but I could be wrong.

Posted By: patrick

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 03/02/11 02:22 PM

what I would do I think is look for some wheels off of a police charger and paint them body color, and use their chrome centers...

http://www.allpar.com/squads/police-cars/charger.html

Posted By: 440newport

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 03/02/11 06:36 PM

I don't know if these clear the R/T brakes, but people have put the Charger cop wheels on Challengers and I think it looks good on this black car at least. I'm not sure if it would look right on a brighter colored one though.

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Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 03/02/11 06:46 PM

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I don't know if these clear the R/T brakes, but people have put the Charger cop wheels on Challengers and I think it looks good on this black car at least. I'm not sure if it would look right on a brighter colored one though.

no it doesn't look good. I likin' it to a guy who in 69 orders a loaded Charger R/T and ops for the steelies and dishes... looks off. A Charger is not a low end car and should appear as such. Neither is a Challenger R/T of today.

Posted By: Big Wedge

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 03/02/11 07:06 PM

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You might be right. Getting the disc brakes to clear might be the biggest issue with 17" rims though.
Just for fun, I Photo-shopped a set of 15" wheels onto this Challenger, and "biggie sized" them appropriately. I definitely like the looks.
Ignore the backwards letters on the tires.

OOOOOOO, I like it. I also have a Plum Crazy 2010 Challenger and have been thinking the same thing. I was hoping to find 20" steel rims that had the same design as the old cop car rims. I have a 1970 orange Challenger that has this combination and it looks great. I don�t think this works with all colors, but for sure on the orange and purple. Keep us posted.

Garth

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Posted By: 440child

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 03/02/11 07:42 PM

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You might be right. Getting the disc brakes to clear might be the biggest issue with 17" rims though.
Just for fun, I Photo-shopped a set of 15" wheels onto this Challenger, and "biggie sized" them appropriately. I definitely like the looks.
Ignore the backwards letters on the tires.

How did you do that?!

PM me if you have to. Thanks!

Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 03/02/11 10:11 PM

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You might be right. Getting the disc brakes to clear might be the biggest issue with 17" rims though.
Just for fun, I Photo-shopped a set of 15" wheels onto this Challenger, and "biggie sized" them appropriately. I definitely like the looks.
Ignore the backwards letters on the tires.

I like the looks of that , ignore the haters ....

Posted By: Neil

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 03/02/11 10:34 PM

I like the idea, but the rims would need to be a lot wider and have a lot more offset on the outside of the car. New cars have wheels with a ton of backspacing and a very minimal wheel lip on the outside which isn't very appealing to me.

On a related note I wish we could get steelies of any size in aluminum instead of steel....

Posted By: dustergirl340

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 03/02/11 10:54 PM

it looks great on that photoshop

Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 03/02/11 11:13 PM

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I like the idea, but the rims would need to be a lot wider and have a lot more offset on the outside of the car. New cars have wheels with a ton of backspacing and a very minimal wheel lip on the outside which isn't very appealing to me.

Please stop confusing the issue with FACTS ...

Good point , I didn't even think of that , it's going to be near impossible to get the right look.

Posted By: duster2

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 02/19/19 04:28 PM

While doing a search for other things , these old posts came up and I have something to add...
These rings will fit a 17 inch wheel ( pictured ), not sure about a 20 inch wheel.

Frank

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Posted By: moparx

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 02/19/19 06:11 PM

where did those rings come from ?

Posted By: hemirdrnnr

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 02/19/19 06:45 PM

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Enuff said.
It's a modern car. Use modern wheels.
"This mix-n-match of generation styles makes the cars look like Lady Gaga"

Commando1

Man how can you compare a BEAUTIFUL car to lady skank skank ?

Posted By: dogdays

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 02/19/19 07:34 PM

There's always JB Weld!
R.

Posted By: dogdays

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 02/19/19 07:48 PM

So I've looked at the pictures and am wondering when you guys are going to start wearing bib overalls and smoking corncob pipes?

I was there when these cars were new and I can tell you without a doubt that the FIRST thing that got changed was the wheels. Chrome 5-spoke wheels like Cragar S/S were top of the list. But nobody, and I mean nobody bragged about stock steel wheels and dog dish hubcaps. If you couldn't afford the Cragars then the chrome steel slots were OK but everyone would know that you were too poor to buy a "real mag".

That's another thing. I didn't hear them called "poverty caps" until maybe 20 years ago. I think that was a clever phrase coined by some Hot Rod Magazine writer looking to add punch to a story. I encourage the person who disputes that to post a copy of the oldest printed word using the phrase "poverty caps". With my luck it'll probably be 1949, but I want to know.

Anyway, back in the day a real car had to have five spoke or five slot wheels. Stock steel rims didn't make the grade.

Best Regards,
R.

Posted By: duster2

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 02/19/19 07:49 PM

They are cut from some 14 inch wheel centers , mistakes that were made.
Finding a use for them. My idea. Weld'em up !!!

Frank

Posted By: TC@HP2

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 02/20/19 05:07 PM

What would a 20" steel wheel weigh...55#, 60#, more? You may be almost doubling your unsprung weight on the car by going to the 20" steel wheel.

I seem to recall seeing a few show cars over the last ten years that had custom aluminum wheels made to look like steel. Its possible, but not cheap. I think Ray Evernham had some made and I want to say there was one other vintage stock car looking vehicle out there that had some made up to look like steel.

Posted By: racerlall

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 02/21/19 04:37 AM

theirs a thread on hear about sum one milling out aluminum wheels looking like old Steeles the first ones wear over sized calmed that entry size coude be made

Posted By: Fat_Mike

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 02/21/19 05:40 AM

Originally Posted By magnumcharger

I've got a 2010 Challenger R/T.
I really like the looks of the old 15" wheels painted body color. I'm wondering if it would be possible to get a set of 20" steel wheels made for my new Challenger, that would resemble the old wheels somewhat, and be able to support the red-line dog-dish hubcaps.
Anybody done this? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/1343795-scratchchin.gif" alt="" />

There was a fairly recent thread specifically about Mike Curtis (former Boyd Coddington employee) that was making the sort of wheel you're inquiring about. BUT, in my opinion, you take a hubcap designed for a 15" wheel and put it on a 20" wheel, and it looks REALLY out of place.

Found the thread: https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/2562266/2.html

Posted By: 375inStroke

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 02/22/19 03:29 AM

Originally Posted By dogdays

I didn't hear them called "poverty caps" until maybe 20 years ago. I think that was a clever phrase coined by some Hot Rod Magazine writer looking to add punch to a story. I encourage the person who disputes that to post a copy of the oldest printed word using the phrase "poverty caps". With my luck it'll probably be 1949, but I want to know.

Best Regards,
R.

My first Mopar was a '69 Coronet, in 1988. My highschool friend called the dog dishes poverty caps. I have no idea if he came up with that independently, or what, and haven't heard anyone else call them that, either. I've always heard dog dish.

Posted By: 375inStroke

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 02/22/19 03:48 AM

These are 19"

Posted By: bboogieart

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 02/23/19 06:39 PM

Those wheels look O.K.
I just prefer more tire less rim on a vintage car.

I hope someone comes up with a decent modern package, but think the stock poverty cap would just look way too small on a big rim.

Can't actually say when I 1st heard that term, but it was many decades ago.

Posted By: duster2

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 02/23/19 06:52 PM

The dogdish on that Charger were special made to look right ( size wise ) for those wheels. On a 17 inch wheel , which is what I had pictured , the 9 inch cap looks ok to me.

Frank

Posted By: khuebner250

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 02/24/19 03:07 AM

Originally Posted By TC@HP2

What would a 20" steel wheel weigh...55#, 60#, more? You may be almost doubling your unsprung weight on the car by going to the 20" steel wheel.

It was my thread and My 18x11 all aluminum 'steel' wheels are 29lbs.

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbt...tml#Post2562266

Posted By: Chargerwagonman

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 03/01/20 05:08 PM

I painted a set of 17inch stock steel wheels body color and mounted Cordoba center caps. They look good on my 05 Magnum SXT. I’ll post a pic when I figure out how.

Posted By: Chargerwagonman

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 03/01/20 05:19 PM

I was going to ad nubs for a dog dish to the 17s but the raised center area where the dishes would sit on sticks out to far, the face of the dog dish would have stuck out past the face of the tire and just looked strange.

Posted By: CMcAllister

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 03/01/20 05:20 PM

Meh...I'd rather see 15" stuff on everything, even the new stuff.

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Now that looks good. Much better than big rimz.

Posted By: TC@HP2

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 03/01/20 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by khuebner250

Originally Posted by TC@HP2

What would a 20" steel wheel weigh...55#, 60#, more? You may be almost doubling your unsprung weight on the car by going to the 20" steel wheel.

It was my thread and My 18x11 all aluminum 'steel' wheels are 29lbs.

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthread...m-chrysler-steel-wheels.html#Post2562266

Cool.

I would add that an 18x7.5 police wheel at 31# is not an exact comparison to an all steel, 20" factory style poverty wheel. Perhaps it would not be the 60# I posited above, but it may be very near 45-50#. Nearly double that of a lighter weight aluminum 15" wheel or even a race weight steel 15" wheel. I have 15x7 steel racing wheels that are 21#, so your 18x11 at 29# is impressive. Congratulations.

I personally can not stand the look of original plain steel wheels and don't understand the attraction to them, but that is my preference. If you and a percentage of other mopar owners are happy with them, or an 18" aluminum copy, Boo Yaa !

Posted By: Chargerwagonman

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 03/02/20 02:55 AM

Here are a couple pics

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Posted By: Sniper

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 03/02/20 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by dogdays

I was there when these cars were new and I can tell you without a doubt that the FIRST thing that got changed was the wheels. Chrome 5-spoke wheels like Cragar S/S were top of the list. But nobody, and I mean nobody bragged about stock steel wheels and dog dish hubcaps. If you couldn't afford the Cragars then the chrome steel slots were OK but everyone would know that you were too poor to buy a "real mag".

Make sure you dress like this too, so you can look "hip". And jack up the rear with HIjackers cause that's what they did when they were new.

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Posted By: pushbutton

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 03/02/20 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by CMcAllister

Meh...I'd rather see 15" stuff on everything, even the new stuff.

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Now that looks good. Much better than big rimz.

Posted By: pushbutton

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 03/02/20 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by pushbutton

Originally Posted by CMcAllister

Meh...I'd rather see 15" stuff on everything, even the new stuff.

[Linked Image]

Now that looks good. Much better than big rimz.

I agree.

Posted By: moparx

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 03/02/20 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by Chargerwagonman

Here are a couple pics

i am in the process of doing the same thing to some wheels for my minivan.
i like your look !

Posted By: BeEtLeJuIcE !

Re: Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels? - 03/05/20 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by moparx

Originally Posted by Chargerwagonman

Here are a couple pics

i am in the process of doing the same thing to some wheels for my minivan.
i like your look !

SAYS.... the CarrotVanMan !

Dog dish hubcaps on 20 inch wheels?