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Ok so what is a good set of headers??

Posted By: TX9H6E4CUDA

Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/27/11 04:27 PM

I am looking at buying a set of headers for my 71 superbee with a 383. I see that there are alot out there I am looking for opions before I pull the trigger on a set. Also I was thinking of finding a used set what do I need to look for to get a good set? Either way I want to ask so I don't buy a junk set.
Posted By: NV69B7RR

Re: Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/27/11 04:50 PM

Dougs are the best bang for the buck.. Same quality of TTI but $300+ less.
Posted By: StealthWedge67

Re: Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/27/11 05:15 PM

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Dougs are the best bang for the buck.. Same quality of TTI but $300+ less.




What exaxctly does a set of Dougs give you that a set of Hookers don't?

Not much to go on, but I get the feeling the OP doesn't need, nor wants to pay for, premium priced headers. Even though they're not as stupid $$$ as TTI's, Dougs aren't cheap. If its a street car with a mildly hopped up 383, the best bang for buck is going to be the Summit brand (now avail. With a ceramic coating). For a 383, a 1-3/4" tube size is perfect.

If bigger and longer tubes are desired for more of a street/strip type of effort, A set of Hooker comps is nearly impossible to beat dollar for dollar.

Whatever you do, stay away from the used set. You'll be buying headers again in a couple of years. (Don't ask how I know)
Posted By: Cudajon

Re: Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/27/11 05:35 PM

You should keep in mind a set that will allow angle plug heads if you ever decide to go that way. I like Doug's, Hooker and TTI.
Posted By: mopar_man

Re: Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/27/11 09:24 PM

What is a good set of headers????/
Answer: NO SUCH THING !!!!!
Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/27/11 09:34 PM

TTI are the best headers I ever owned.
Posted By: Dean_Kuzluzski

Re: Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/27/11 09:53 PM

Used headers? Look for warped flanges that were from overtorquing the header bolts. Excessive rust and cracked welds too.

Personally, TTI's and Doug's are, I'm sure, very nice but I can live with Hookers. I got the 1&7/8" B/RB headers for my 69 Rr, sent them in for ceramic coating, they look great. Hedman makes a decent product too. The trouble with used is the varying opinions on what is "a little rust".

The top-of-the-line headers have 3/8" flanges. I like 16 gauge tubing, race headers are 18 gauge. For a mild-to-tepid 383, 1&3/4" tubing headers will perform great. If you want street/strip or strip only go with the 1&7/8" at a minimum.
Posted By: pishta

Re: Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/27/11 09:57 PM

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What is a good set of headers????/
Answer: NO SUCH THING !!!!!




I agree. 69 hi-po logs are hard to beat with 2.5 duals. 500 buck headers better give you 100 hp for that kind of cash and that aint gonna happen unledd you motor is built to take advantage of headers. Plus the burned gaskets, plug wires, trans cables and heat under the hood...Your choice but for that common body style, summit specials can't be much worse performance wise than bucks headers.
Posted By: JoesMopar

Re: Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/27/11 10:04 PM

I bought a set of Hooker 2" Super Comp for my '69 Charger R/T. Will never buy them again.
Posted By: SomeCarGuy

Re: Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/27/11 10:06 PM

What is the price breakdown now? I haven't seen any lists for quite some time. I know the coated Hooker 1 7/8" set on my car is great but I did have to do some work on one tube to get them to fit the 383. 440 was no problem w/ that same set.

Reason I ask is it seems like they were comparable in prce to Doug's, w/ TTI's being more than either.
Posted By: DennisH

Re: Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/27/11 10:20 PM

Dig deep. TTI's. Dig even deeper for the ceramic polished. Cool under the hood now. Used headers are like used tires. Not for me.
Posted By: cjs69mope

Re: Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/27/11 11:28 PM

check around used ttis come around from time to time i just bought a set from the moparts swap on here . they were very nice and only used one summer .
AS most say don't buy used rusty set of headers,however when looking at the top of the line headers only slightly used and you can pay half of the retail price , idk it make more sence to me to get the high line parts for the same money of a new lower quality part from summit .
Posted By: fourgearsavoy

Re: Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/28/11 12:15 AM

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What is a good set of headers????/
Answer: NO SUCH THING !!!!!



Obviously you never have installed a set of Doug's headers
I bought a set of Doug's D452's on my Savoy and they fit and look awesome Perfect finish and nice thick 3/8 thick flanges,work with my angle plug Indy EZ heads,gaskets still good since I bolted them on
Gus

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Posted By: JonC

Re: Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/28/11 12:23 AM

TTI's are all I have ever owned (for Mopars), but I can tell you they are probably the only ones I'll ever own. Fit and finish are spot on!! Expensive, relatively. Worth it, absolutely.
Posted By: Dean_Kuzluzski

Re: Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/28/11 12:51 AM

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I bought a set of Hooker 2" Super Comp for my '69 Charger R/T. Will never buy them again.




Just curious, why?? Don't leave us hangin' here.
Posted By: Boosted

Re: Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/28/11 01:35 AM

I have hookers on my 512..Love them and they work great.. 2" to 3 1/2".. these are on my street car...

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Posted By: screamindriver

Re: Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/28/11 01:41 AM

I've used Dougs,hooker and TTI...TTIs seem to go up with the gas prices... ..Each has their own good and bad points...Hooker is a true performance,equal tube header and the super comps are really light...TTIs are made for the fit at the cost of the tuned legnths...Not an issue on a street car though...I wonder what the weight difference is between them all... ...Also any header is going to get tight and might have clearance issues up at the 2 inch primary level but by then you're at the 500hp mark or you would'nt be using them.....Anyhow, I seem to keep going back to the hookers on different applications so I guess I like them best for the price,performance and fit...
Posted By: mopar_man

Re: Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/28/11 02:41 AM

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What is a good set of headers????/
Answer: NO SUCH THING !!!!!



Obviously you never have installed a set of Doug's headers
I bought a set of Doug's D452's on my Savoy and they fit and look awesome Perfect finish and nice thick 3/8 thick flanges,work with my angle plug Indy EZ heads,gaskets still good since I bolted them on
Gus




Obviously , you don't do much street driving with that nice Savoy. Nothing wrong with headers for the strip to gain those few horsepower.
Its just my opinion I don't like headers for the street , just a nuisance !!!I've seen so many sets of headers being removed in my brothers garage in 35 yrs, It just turned me off from them .
BTW , I was using Thorley headers since the early 70s or so when he started working out of his own garage.
YOu have a nice savoy there Gus .
Posted By: Paul_B

Re: Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/28/11 04:01 PM

I'm running TTI's and the fit was perfect. Not a single modification was required to bolt in place.
Posted By: 1Fast340

Re: Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/28/11 06:03 PM

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What is a good set of headers????/
Answer: NO SUCH THING !!!!!



Obviously you never have installed a set of Doug's headers
I bought a set of Doug's D452's on my Savoy and they fit and look awesome Perfect finish and nice thick 3/8 thick flanges,work with my angle plug Indy EZ heads,gaskets still good since I bolted them on
Gus




Obviously , you don't do much street driving with that nice Savoy. Nothing wrong with headers for the strip to gain those few horsepower.
Its just my opinion I don't like headers for the street , just a nuisance !!!I've seen so many sets of headers being removed in my brothers garage in 35 yrs, It just turned me off from them .
BTW , I was using Thorley headers since the early 70s or so when he started working out of his own garage.
YOu have a nice savoy there Gus .




from all the information i have picked up i have seen that fulllength headers biggest benefit for a streetcar is NOT top end power,its the additional low end torque they make
also good welldesigned headers are not anykind of problem on the street,cheap poorly designed and built headers in combination with beat to death cars are what gives headers a bad reputation
Posted By: larrymopar360

Re: Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/28/11 06:18 PM

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TTI are the best headers I ever owned.



Same here....leak free for 60K miles so far, and very nice fit....good quality stuff and they are MOPAR specialists.
Posted By: THESHAKERPROJECT

Re: Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/28/11 06:47 PM

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I'm running TTI's and the fit was perfect. Not a single modification was required to bolt in place.


TTI is the BEST HANDS DOWN !!! And yes I have installed Dougs headers but the plug wires fit very poor on the pass side. The Hookers are a good race header but rub the torshin bars and also have poor spark plug wire fit. Actually on my TTI set I run factory manifold wires and they fit fine. My TTI headers have been leal free for ten years and still look new with over 100 passes on my car to date.
Posted By: 2boltmain

Re: Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/28/11 07:09 PM

Hedman makes an "Elite" series header. The steel flange and tubes are much thicker than their super cheap standard headers. Last I knew the elites were priced in the $250 range.
Posted By: skicker

Re: Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/29/11 02:44 AM

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What is a good set of headers????/
Answer: NO SUCH THING !!!!!



Obviously you never have installed a set of Doug's headers
I bought a set of Doug's D452's on my Savoy and they fit and look awesome Perfect finish and nice thick 3/8 thick flanges,work with my angle plug Indy EZ heads,gaskets still good since I bolted them on
Gus




I bought a set of the Dougs 451 headers for my 383 in a 70 Satellite. They fit great and have no leaks. The spark plug boot is a non issue if you use 4 45 degree plug wires and 4 with 90 degree boots.

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Posted By: Hemidavey

Re: Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/29/11 03:18 AM

I installed a set of TTI headers on a 440 Challenger, the tubes turned too close to the head bolts and wouldnt meet the head! I called TTI and received a very arrogant response until I sent them digital photos! They offered nothing!
I installed a set of Hookers on my Hemicuda, good fit.
I installed a set of Dougs on a Camaro, good fit.

Best advice..A. thin flanges will leak for sure!
B. unless your building big power use HIPO manifolds!
Posted By: Mobarge

Re: Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/29/11 06:21 AM

TTIs are the best set I've owned. A little tight when trying to bolt the #1 and #2 and #4 tubes, but other than that, they went right in.
Posted By: TX9H6E4CUDA

Re: Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/29/11 07:16 AM

Ok alot of great advice here but i should give the application they are for. Its a 71 superbee 383 with a/c. The engine has a couple of things done but nothing huge. I was thinking of having headers to keep the engine cooler. On my 70 cuda I had a set of rusty cheap headers on the car and it ran awesome and never heated up driving or at idle. I decided to put hp manifolds on the car and new exhaust. Afterwards I noticed the car ran hotter and there was alot more heat under the hood after the manfolds were put on. Because this superbee will be a nice summer driver with a/c (factory a/c stuff) I am trying to keep the heat down in the engine bay. So I don't have to worry about getting stuck in traffic.
Posted By: Kern Dog

Re: Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/29/11 07:40 AM

I have read time and time again people bashing TTI headers. My suspicions are that they are rooted in jealosy and frugality. Its like an ugly girl having hatred toward the prom queen. Yes, the TTI pipes are expensive. That may be because they are MOPAR exclusively. NO GM or Ford headers to spread out the production costs. The simple fact is, they build a great fitting product and they charge alot for it.
I have the BB TTI pipes in the Charger. They fit great and do not rattle or hit anything. My car has never been wrecked and I have new motor mounts. The FrankenDuster has a 360 with TTI pipes and they fit perfect too. Once again, this car has never been wrecked and it too has new motor mounts. These two points certainly make a difference in header clearance. Imagine that in an untouched survivor car you have 1/2 inch of clearance to the steering box. Now look at your car. Some time in your cars history it was hit in the drivers front corner. Now you have no clearance and sometimes it rattles. You blame the header company. Our Mopars are blessed with outstanding good looks and rugged engines, but the engineers obviously didnt care much about the enthusiasts that intended to modify these cars. Waaaaaaay too many obstacles in there. The rear steer puts all the steering linkage behind axle centerline for good weight balance but in the way of the exhaust. Torsion bars also helped handling due in part to keeping weight low and toward the center, but they are another obstacle. The LH starter location is a pisser too. With all these hoops to jump through, its amazing to find a company that is willing to take the financial risk to produce these much needed parts.
Finally.... Yes, headers do make more power and the engines sound better. The right size can boost power in the entire rpm range over iron manifolds while keeping the engine cooler. The good headers will cost you, but they are worth it to me.
Posted By: JoesMopar

Re: Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/29/11 08:09 AM

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I bought a set of Hooker 2" Super Comp for my '69 Charger R/T. Will never buy them again.




Just curious, why?? Don't leave us hangin' here.




They fit like absolute crap. I had a tie rod snag one of the tubes ripping a gash in it that I had to weld up. On my brand new brake lines from Inline Tube (which fit PERFECT..) I had to cut them to relocate the metering valve...or whatever that thing is called....The ceramic coating that's supposedly so awesome starting rusting up shortly after installing them (car is always warmed up to operating temp). That alone is enough for me to spend $$$ on a pair of Dougs or TTI's.
Posted By: 383man

Re: Ok so what is a good set of headers?? - 01/29/11 09:10 AM

Actually these Hedman Elite 1-3/4 headers I put on my 63 in 2006 have been great and trouble free. Thick flange and zero leaks. But I just ordered a set of TTI 2" headers for my 63 to go with my new eng I am building. We have the TTI on my boys Dart and they fit good and hold up very good as they have been on his Dart about 10 years and are holding up great and they have very thick flanges.
So I say if you have the money the TTI are a very good header. The Hedman Elite are also a good header but not as nice as the TTI's. I have never used the Doug's but I hear they are also a great header. Ron




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