Posted By: moparrulzzz
Alternator..how many amps can I run - 01/24/11 02:29 AM
Can I run a 80 amp alternator without modifying the electrical system on my '68 Coronet?
Only elec changes I have in system will be a elec fuel pump, and Maybe?? a secret audio stereo in the future.
I was looking at this chrome unit from Mancini.
Would I be better off going to a internal regulator or stay with the external? pro's /cons?
I need to start getting some of this small stuff fgured out so I will be ready when the motor comes home!!
Mancini
Posted By: ahy
Re: Alternator..how many amps can I run - 01/24/11 03:45 AM
That alternator should bolt in. If you have the original single field regualtor, it will work if you ground one of the field terminals on the alternator.
The problem is running that much current through the original charge wire (12 guage), bulkhead connector and ammeter. The original setup can handle 60 amps if all connections are tight, clean and in good condition but 80 is really too much.
If you need the higher output, the simplest fix is to run an additional heavy guage wire from the alternator output stud to the fender relay battery wire stud. 10 guage with a section of 14 guage fusible link will work. With this modification, the ammeter will not work and you need to add a volt meter to monitor system condition. This is a worthwile upgrade even with a stock ammeter; the OE setup in this area wasn't very robust.
The alternative is to go with a 60 amp alternator and stock wiring and make sure your bulkhead connector terminals are clean and greased and ammeter connections clean and tight.
A standard voltage regulator is better then "one wire" since the regulator can compensate for voltage drop in the charge wires... especially if you are using stock wiring.
Posted By: moparrulzzz
Re: Alternator..how many amps can I run - 01/24/11 04:00 AM
I have all new wiring in my car now. I do have the ammeter bypassed under the dash. The terminals are bolted together and wrapped tightly in electrical tape.
The reason I was thinking about the 80 was I don't know if electric fans would be in the future or not.
If I stayed with the 60 would I have the dimming of lights and so forth?
I don't have the original regulator but I am sure they are easy enough to get!
So I guess the 80 would be overkill??!!
Posted By: gtx69
Re: Alternator..how many amps can I run - 01/24/11 04:43 AM
The alternator is not going to put out no more than you need.If you only need 54 amps at that time that's all it going to put out at that time.Doesn't matter if you have a 200 amp alternator.Main thing is you want at plenty of amps at idle.
Posted By: NachoRT74
Re: Alternator..how many amps can I run - 01/24/11 09:04 PM
propperly done you don't need to bypass the ammeter and add allmost any alt you want...
you can run a 1000 amps alt if you want but the output will be just what car demands.
the closer to the demand you can feed at iddle, the safer you'll get all the charging system even with an ammeter.
once again, as far is propperly wired.
Posted By: 68_CONV_300
Re: Alternator..how many amps can I run - 01/25/11 01:19 AM
anything over 60 amps and the Alt gauge needs to be removed ... and anything that take highs power should be tied to the same point that the alternator output is tied to
Posted By: moparrulzzz
Re: Alternator..how many amps can I run - 01/25/11 03:17 AM
Thnx for the info guys I have something to chew on now!!
Posted By: Exit1965
Re: Alternator..how many amps can I run - 01/25/11 03:57 AM
On my Dart I used a Napa alternator, it's a mopar "78 amp" unit from a Volare I think, here is a pic showing the part # and the RPM/output relationship. The RPMs there are alternator rpms. I don't recall the ratios, but I think once the engine reaches about 1700-1800 RPM (if memory serves), the alternator is spinning enough to churn out all 79 amps.
The mods I did to run this are:
* bypass the amp gauge
* 8 gauge wire from alternator to starter relay with a fusible link in it
* ground one of the outputs on the alternator to the tab on the back (not sure if that's the proper terminology, but there is a tab just sitting there for this purpose).
I point this out because it can be a cheaper alternative if you don't care about chrome, and don't mind an extra groove in the pulley.
Posted By: NachoRT74
Re: Alternator..how many amps can I run - 01/25/11 03:24 PM
LOL
ok, I will tell my car I have been wrong in last 6 years and my ammeter is wrong too, when I have kept it and barelly sense some power going throught because I balanced the charging system with a 78 amps alt, hooking every relay to the ammeter stud itself on alt side ( I have 6 relays attached to the ammeter, however max will be working will be 3 at the same time ), and will go with a 100 amps tuff stuff alt still keeping my ammeter to kill it faster
LOL
Come on! trust in somebody what already did it and is using it on a DAILY DRIVER... My ammeter NEVER gets heat. You can touch the studs on back and not even gets warm ( and I use A/C every day )
you can use a BIG BATT, as far you KNOW how to drive it
Not saying small batt is right or wrong, but saying you ned a bigger alternator than batt. You need to increase both sides proportionally, but if you upgrade just one side, better do it on a bigger alt first
A bigger alt doesn't mean 100 or more amps output. It means better quality at iddle as posible, but is logical a 100 amps alt will get you better juice at iddle. If you can get a 80 amps alt ( or even 60 amps but that's ask too much ) able to feed 45/55 amps at iddle if car demands for it you will be able to never use the batt to feed the car ( just cranking ), and ammeter WON'T MOVE EVER ( or barelly ) what will mean, power is not going through, so never will get heat.
The right selection of the alt is VERY IMPORTANT. has been prooved Delta kind windings are better charge quality that Y windings alt. I don't have the real numbers but is true that a 80 Delta kind alt will get you better power at iddle than a 100 amps Y winding kind. Just that I love stockish look and there is not exist a Delta kind alt on stock housing, If it was the chance to get an internal upgrade on stator coil to Delta windings, I would change just the stator on my alt.
BUT allways will need to work on the weakness of the bulkhead, and thats allways true. No need to get rid off the original terminals and wires, but just get parallel system to handle the extra load safer.
MaMopar did it on bigger than 60 amps cars. They never went through bulkhead, but through firewall.
However...
Still keeping bulkhead terminals FIX THE IDDLE CHARGE OUTPUT and you will be allmost done, EVEN BULKHEAD terminals on your stock system WILL LAST LONG! IT IS NOTICEABLE.
PEAKS FOR LONG TIME due the low alt capacity at iddle is what killed our systems.
KEEP SAFE THE AMMETER STUDS HEALTH... tight and clean.
try it! Trust me. Don't be irracional, Don't be a robot what makes whatever it reads because everybody says that without an analisys of whay it does happens, just an automatical procedure.
Of course bypass the ammeter and run a wire directly to Starter relay will get everything better too, BUT I got an ammeter on my car from factory and I love to kept working. Is part of a resto job doesn't ? keep everything working like factory did. I don't want an ornament on my cluster. If I can keep it like came from factory, and safe will keep it working!!!
Nothing like show to the ppl the stock system works like a champ.
Beside that I trust more on an ammeter than a voltimeter. On an alt fail I got around 7 years ago, got 18 volts but discharge... Rotor was shorting. If I was trust on voltimeter, I was though I was overcharging and kept driving... untill my battery death due no more juice to get from it
Posted By: NachoRT74
Re: Alternator..how many amps can I run - 01/25/11 09:32 PM
LOL... not a brick wall buddy, just exposing my experience LOL...
have you checked this ?
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,33574.0.htmlis one of the links exposed on the first link I posted
check it and tell me what you think...
Quote:
FURTHERMORE if you are going to hook heavy loads up as you say, THEY STILL MUST RUN THROUGH THE AMMETER (and the bulkhead) if the vehicle is off, or running slow.
true if is off and everything is hooked on alt side, so power coming from batt through ammeter. On this case, not the electric fans or whatever device, beside an stereo or power windows, and on any case, just temporally ( but the stereo if you are hearing music with engine off )
true if alt is not able too feed enough at low rpms, so the power alt is not able to give, will be provided by the batt, through ammeter.
so thats the reason a powerfull alt, specially at low RPMs is a demand for the vehicle requirements, to save everthing of the system
and of course the weak spots at bulhead SPECIALLY the black wire... both wires ( red and black ) but SPECIALLY that one
nobody said everything is false, just that if everything is rightly made, ammeter bypass is not a demanded requirement
( and of course on a fully discharged batt, NOT TO CHARGE IT on car giving gas )
Posted By: 540challenger
Re: Alternator..how many amps can I run - 01/25/11 09:50 PM
Two questions
1. When you run the wire from the back of the alternator to the battery do you Unhook the factory wiring from the alternator or leave it alone??????
2. instead of using a fusiable link can i instale an inline fuse????
Posted By: Sinitro
Re: Alternator..how many amps can I run - 01/25/11 10:39 PM
As you increase the alternators amperage, the wiring system and respective connections need upgrading. The primary weakness is the 12 guage wire, tab terminals (bulkhead) and the amp guage. If you are planning to raise the system's current pull by adding fans, fuel pump, amplifiers, lights..
I would suggest that the entire wire harness and charging system be upgraded as well..
Just my $0.02..