explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber..

Posted By: nutso suave

explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber.. - 08/29/08 05:34 PM

i am wondering what the deal is with 4bbl 'coyote duster' air cleaners for a 440 with an air grabber hood. does anyone have a picture of one? i want to install an air grabber on my hood (which has the vents) but i haven't been able to find the 4bbl air cleaner for this setup...i have seen them for the 383 (tony's sells one i think) but not for the 440. i know that the B/RB height difference won't allow you to use a 383 cleaner. is the baseplate the only difference? any photos of these? has anyone actually seen one? they seem more rare than the 6bbl these days!

i know the 440 4bbl wasn't offered in 69, but i don't have the money or the tuning ability for a six pack setup and i have a brand new 750 holley. if i use an aftermarket intake will the air cleaner be too tall? are there any aluminum intakes that have the same clearance? thanks...

Posted By: 70gtx440dana

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber.. - 08/29/08 05:54 PM

The 440 air cleaner base is a bit shorter to allow for proper hood clearance. The 440 model is available as it was used on the GTX and Coronet R/T with fresh air option. These are the most difficult B body fresh air bases to find vs. 383 and the 6 pak model.

Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber - 08/29/08 06:09 PM

I think my 70 road runner came with a 440 4 bbl oval air cleaner & base. car is originally a 383 car, but I believe the airgrabber setup was added from a 440 4 bbl car, as the emblem at the rear of the hood says 440.

currently the car has a 400 2 bbl in it, but I have a built 383 waiting to go in that I would like to use the airgrabber with.

Does anyone have measurements, or some way to identify if I have a 440 4 bbl air cleaner setup, or the 383 4 bbl setup that I need?

Tav

Posted By: RobX4406

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber - 08/29/08 06:12 PM

Put the base on a level surface, If the front lip has an air gap, it's a 383. The lip on 440's will rest on the surface.

The difference in height is about 3/8"

Posted By: nutso suave

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber - 08/29/08 06:54 PM

cataclysm80-

keep me posted if it is the right one...i might have ulterior motives.

here is a link showing how to tell them apart (at the bottom of the page).

http://www.nicksgarage.com/aircleaner.htm#compare

can you post a pic? i think the 383 looks like this:

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Posted By: TONY_DAGOSTINO

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber.. - 08/29/08 08:51 PM

AIR GRABBER BASEPLATE
HEIGHTS FROM BOTTOM OF BASE TO TOP OF CROSSBAR

1969 383 3-1/2�
1969 440 3�

70-2 383-400 2-1/2�
70-2 340-440 2�

Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber.. - 08/29/08 09:59 PM

I'll try and check mine out/maybe snap some pics this weekend.

Tav

Posted By: JohnRR

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber - 08/30/08 02:12 PM

FYI 69 is the only year the single 4 bbls used the oval air filter elemnet , 70 up used the same round air filter element as the 68-69 unsilenced assembly and a modified version of the 68-69 top on an oval base that had drain tubes ahead of the element ...

edit to remove confusion

Posted By: nutso suave

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber - 08/30/08 05:54 PM

69 gtx then?

Posted By: JohnRR

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber.. - 08/30/08 10:03 PM

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i am wondering what the deal is with 4bbl 'coyote duster' air cleaners for a 440 with an air grabber hood. does anyone have a picture of one? i want to install an air grabber on my hood (which has the vents) but i haven't been able to find the 4bbl air cleaner for this setup...i have seen them for the 383 (tony's sells one i think) but not for the 440. i know that the B/RB height difference won't allow you to use a 383 cleaner. is the baseplate the only difference? any photos of these? has anyone actually seen one? they seem more rare than the 6bbl these days!

i know the 440 4bbl wasn't offered in 69, but i don't have the money or the tuning ability for a six pack setup and i have a brand new 750 holley. if i use an aftermarket intake will the air cleaner be too tall? are there any aluminum intakes that have the same clearance? thanks...

OK now that I have read the whole thing you ask about 70 air cleaner for your 1969 then confuse the issue more by adding a picture of a 69 style base .

To answer your last question , if you use ANYTHING other than a stock intake under a 69 hood with a stock height for the engine used filter assembly you run the risk of the air cleaner coming in contact and dimpling the hood .

You can use the holley but you have to use either a 70 style stock intake , lower thermo choke casting or modify the stock 68/69 choke thermo casting to clear the linakge on the holley .

Some will say that a CH4B will clear but I made that recommedation to NASBackyard and he dimpled his hood .

If you want to use anything but a stock height air cleaner and or a carb spacer you MUST MODIFY the the oval base by shortening the carb horn the appropriate amount. How much that is can only be determined with YOUR engine combo MOUNTED in YOUR CAR , I wouldn't trust ANY recommendation , MEASURE WHAT YOU HAVE .

YMMV

Posted By: nutso suave

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber - 08/30/08 10:20 PM

i didn't realize there was a difference between the 69 and 70 air cleaners. i can appreciate the clearance issue, and measuring it yourself. i guess my best bet would be to leave the original intake and buy a 69 GTX oval air cleaner, modify my carb to fit, and go with that. i posted the picture of the 69 383 so people would have an idea of what i was talking about. maybe i'll forgo that idea and just make my own frankensteined airgrabber setup.

what is YMMV?

Posted By: 1_WILD_RT

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber - 08/30/08 10:29 PM

First YMMV is Your Mileage May Vary..

Second why not contact member Torred4speed as he makes fiberglass airgrabber bases for modified applications...Once it's painted it will look good to all but the most anal viewers & it will work fine..

Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber - 08/30/08 10:30 PM

make a prototype then go into production. If it fits good, works good, and looks good, I'll buy one. Provided you price it as if manufactured by chinese laborers earning $2.00/day.

Hey, I promise!

Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber.. - 09/01/08 12:10 AM

The nicksgarage link indicates it's a 383. ???

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Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber.. - 09/01/08 12:11 AM

The nicksgarage link indicates it's a 383. ????

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Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber.. - 09/01/08 12:17 AM

I've heard this lid decal is for 69 cars. ?????

Tav

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Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber.. - 09/01/08 12:24 AM

here's a pic of the hood. You can see the 440 emblem at the bottom right of the pic.

car is a 70 roadrunner 383 4 speed plum crazy without N96 on the fender tag.

hood was on the car when I got it and is copper colored on the bottom. this is a 70 only hood right?

The pictured air cleaner was in the trunk.

the engine in the car was a 400 2 bbl

So, what do I have here?

Tav

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Posted By: 1_WILD_RT

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber.. - 09/01/08 12:52 AM

As stated previously just set the base on a flat surface & if it stands with only the carb throat area touching it's a 383 unit, if the front lip of the baseplate touches it's for a 440...Your lid is definately for a 69...

Posted By: nutso suave

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber - 09/01/08 12:56 AM

now i'm confused - that looks like a 383 69 air cleaner...

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Posted By: justinp61

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber - 09/01/08 01:24 AM

What are the 69 440 cleaners going for now? There is one for a 383 on the bag now at $255.

Posted By: RobX4406

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber - 09/01/08 01:46 AM

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As stated previously just set the base on a flat surface & if it stands with only the carb throat area touching it's a 383 unit, if the front lip of the baseplate touches it's for a 440...Your lid is definately for a 69...

Sometimes the simple approach just isn't good enough.

Posted By: SleeperBee

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber.. - 09/01/08 01:55 AM

I would be surprised if you find one under $500. It seems like everyone who has one knows how rare it is. . . . but the scavenger hunt is part of the fun! I have seen a few in MGC and some of the swap meets. They are out there!

Posted By: JohnRR

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber.. - 09/01/08 02:30 AM

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I would be surprised if you find one under $500. It seems like everyone who has one knows how rare it is. . . . but the scavenger hunt is part of the fun! I have seen a few in MGC and some of the swap meets. They are out there!

Ben Snobar sells a repop for both the 383 and the 440 air cleaner for a 69. With that in mind I wouldn't pay much more for one unless it was basicly NOS in condition than what the repop sells for .

Posted By: JohnRR

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber.. - 09/01/08 02:31 AM

Quote:

I've heard this lid decal is for 69 cars. ?????

Tav

Tav , thats an UGLY looking 69 air cleaner assembly .

Posted By: JohnRR

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber.. - 09/01/08 02:33 AM

Quote:

here's a pic of the hood. You can see the 440 emblem at the bottom right of the pic.

car is a 70 roadrunner 383 4 speed plum crazy without N96 on the fender tag.

hood was on the car when I got it and is copper colored on the bottom. this is a 70 only hood right?

The pictured air cleaner was in the trunk.

the engine in the car was a 400 2 bbl

So, what do I have here?

Tav

Yes thats a 70 ONLY air grabber hood , you have the wrong air cleaner considering what Tony posted about the height difference.

Posted By: basketcase

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber.. - 09/01/08 02:37 AM

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I would be surprised if you find one under $500. It seems like everyone who has one knows how rare it is. . . . but the scavenger hunt is part of the fun! I have seen a few in MGC and some of the swap meets. They are out there!

I saw plenty at The Nats for $400 and UP. any where from ready to slap on or needind striped and redone.
I want one, just can't justify it when I have new 1/4s laying in the garage.

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Posted By: justinp61

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber.. - 09/01/08 03:24 AM

Here's mine, someone cut the front to clear a a/c unit

Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber - 09/01/08 11:38 AM

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Yes thats a 70 ONLY air grabber hood , you have the wrong air cleaner considering what Tony posted about the height difference.

I see what your saying. My 69 383 air cleaner is a full inch taller than the 70 model I need. Can my 69 baseplate be trimmed/made to fit or should I be looking for the correct piece?

If I use the correct decal, is my air cleaner lid correct for a 70?

Tav

Posted By: JohnRR

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber - 09/01/08 12:17 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Yes thats a 70 ONLY air grabber hood , you have the wrong air cleaner considering what Tony posted about the height difference.

I see what your saying. My 69 383 air cleaner is a full inch taller than the 70 model I need. Can my 69 baseplate be trimmed/made to fit or should I be looking for the correct piece?

If I use the correct decal, is my air cleaner lid correct for a 70?

Tav

I would find the correct base as the lid you have is INCORRECT for 1970 , 1970 used a ROUND filter with a round lid on an OVAL base , the base has water drains ahead of the filter.

here is what you are looking for , thanks Nick .

Posted By: quick77rt

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber - 09/01/08 01:40 PM

Ive one from my old 71 440 R/T charger with AG hood...are these the same or diff from the 70 440 setup?

Posted By: meepmeep70

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber - 09/01/08 02:07 PM

hard to find! also looking for the correct 70 air grabber air cleaner set-up,haven't found one yet

good luck

Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber - 09/01/08 04:22 PM

Thanks for the pic, that helps a lot!

Tav

Posted By: JohnRR

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber - 09/01/08 07:37 PM

Quote:

Ive one from my old 71 440 R/T charger with AG hood...are these the same or diff from the 70 440 setup?

yes , it's the same

Posted By: JohnRR

Re: explain 70 440 4bbl oval air cleaners w/air grabber - 09/01/08 07:40 PM

Quote:

hard to find! also looking for the correct 70 air grabber air cleaner set-up,haven't found one yet good luck

looks like the 70 up base is NOT repopped, just the lid is .

Posted By: 70stroker

70 440 4bbl oval baseplate with round lid - 11/03/08 03:20 AM

Here are pics of the baseplate I have. It is for the 1970-72 air grabber setup. Pics show the measurements. None of the measurements match anything posted for the front or rear lips or the carb horn to crossbar.
It appears Tony's measurements would be close and make this a 383 piece. If you have any pics of the 440 baseplate for a `70-`72, please post them for comparison.

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Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 70 440 4bbl oval baseplate with round lid - 11/03/08 01:05 PM

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Here are pics of the baseplate I have. It is for the 1970-72 air grabber setup. Pics show the measurements. None of the measurements match anything posted for the front or rear lips or the carb horn to crossbar.
It appears Tony's measurements would be close and make this a 383 piece. If you have any pics of the 440 baseplate for a `70-`72, please post them for comparison.

Lets see a pic of the carb mount surface , maybe it's been modified ?

Posted By: 1fastrunner

Re: 70 440 4bbl oval baseplate with round lid - 11/03/08 02:55 PM

Here's a picture of a 440 base with measurement. Note, when placed on a flat surface without the drain hose, the round part that would sit on the carb is suspended slightly above the surface.

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Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 70 440 4bbl oval baseplate with round lid - 11/03/08 04:00 PM

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Here's a picture of a 440 base with measurement. Note, when placed on a flat surface without the drain hose, the round part that would sit on the carb is suspended slightly above the surface.

That's a small picture

Posted By: Jim_Lusk

Re: 70 440 4bbl oval baseplate with round lid - 11/03/08 04:16 PM

Here's a modified 69 base to fit under the hood of my son's 67 Dart with a 440. The air cleaner was originally for a 383. I borrowed a 440 base back when I was working on how it would fit in my old 67 Dart. The 440 base was still slightly too tall so the time and effort AND expense to find one made no sense. I have another 383 air cleaner that I will modify the same way when I put my 440 into my 67 Barracuda convertible.

Posted By: 1fastrunner

Re: 70 440 4bbl oval baseplate with round lid - 11/03/08 04:20 PM

How's this?

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Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 70 440 4bbl oval baseplate with round lid - 11/03/08 04:51 PM

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How's this?

much better

Posted By: jt4406

Re: 70 440 4bbl oval baseplate with round lid - 11/08/08 05:01 PM

Posted By: jt4406

Re: 70 440 4bbl oval baseplate with round lid - 11/08/08 05:08 PM

Posted By: jt4406

Re: 70 440 4bbl oval baseplate with round lid - 11/08/08 05:09 PM

Posted By: jt4406

Re: 70 440 4bbl oval baseplate with round lid - 11/08/08 05:17 PM

Had to make this one a little smaller, wouldn't post.

Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: 70 440 4bbl oval baseplate with round lid - 11/10/08 03:53 AM

Jess T. I think the first pic I sent filled up your e-mail inbox. Let me know when you've cleared some space in your inbox and what size to make the pictures and I'll send you the other 7 pics.

Thanks
Tav

*pictured above is a 1970 383 air grabber air cleaner*
*pictured below is a 1969 383 air grabber air cleaner*

Posted By: cataclysm80