spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right?

Posted By: aarcuda

spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? - 03/22/10 04:00 PM

I was looking at getting a new set of spindles as mine might be worn (if I can get the servvice limits for the spindle, i'll know for sure.

Lots of people are selling spindles that they say are based on a 73 and up but will fit all A B and E bodies. Whats the deal with these? They say the spindle uses a larger inner bearing but that the original disk will work??? or am i missing something- the bearing sits in the hub of the disk...

but im leery cause I thought thought the spindles were different.

Anyone know if these spindles are the same for all three or is the spindle for sale a mutant that they made to fit all three (but isnt really correct)

has anyone tried these and found them to work on an ebody? I suppose the caliper bracket is needed because of the design change on the spindle???

Posted By: RobX4406

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? - 03/22/10 05:20 PM

The early E spindles have a 1.25 bearing seat and laters are 1.375 IIRC.

I have a couple sets of spindles from FMJ and A body cars. Let me know what you are looking for and can probably get you covered.

Posted By: aarcuda

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? - 03/22/10 05:32 PM

my problem is that a lot of them seem to claim these are an exact fit- except a few do say they use a slider caliper.

if you look at http://www.mbmbrakeboosters.com/vmchk/Spindles/Mopar-B-E-Body-Spindles-with-Caliper-Brackets.html

it shows a slider caliper bracket (at least it looks like one to me).

verses the ebody bracket that uses a Pin and rubber busings (I dont have a picture of the bracket on my car but the calipers look like

those calipers dont look like they fit the brackets in the above picture

Attached picture 5880599-Caliper.JPG

Posted By: RobX4406

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? - 03/22/10 05:35 PM

Nice huge pic there Nuke!

The calipers pictured look like pin style and they don't fit the brackets you have pictured.

You'll bascially change out everything, spindle, calipers/brackets, disc/hub... to the slider set up.

I believe your car should currently have the pin style caliper on it.

Posted By: aarcuda

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? - 03/22/10 05:48 PM

thats what im saying. i called the manufacturing of these new spindles and asked "um, they dont look like pin style brackets. Are you SURE they are exact as original?" and the answers was "Um, yup"

but i still dont believe. I dont want to change it all up with new calipers. heck, I dont even know if i need new spindles. I am just trying to get rid of some freeplay I am seeing. Maybe the new bearings will cure that. we'll see

Posted By: 1_WILD_RT

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? - 03/22/10 06:01 PM

Pin style brackets & slider style brackets will both fit the spindle... So you use the adapter bracket for your style caliper & the rotor size you are using...

Posted By: aarcuda

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? - 03/22/10 07:35 PM

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Pin style brackets & slider style brackets will both fit the spindle... So you use the adapter bracket for your style caliper & the rotor size you are using...

ya but i swear the same spindle has to be different from one application to another. i dont want to find out that my application is the one that makes these spindles bind up or throw the geometry off or require ment to buy different ball joints or something

Posted By: RobX4406

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? - 03/22/10 07:41 PM

Just sell that E body bucket o'bolts and buy a real car... an A body!

Those spindles they sell are likely the taller late B - FMJ's. The taller spindle isn't going to hurt anything, been doing those conversions for a long time and never had an "overangled" ball joint yet. A buddy did the math on the angle change and it was minimal, like 3* or less.

They should use the same balljoints you currently have on the car.

Posted By: aarcuda

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? - 03/22/10 08:03 PM

well dang it, I need spindles so i can go out and do some more of this:

Posted By: 71mopardude

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? - 03/22/10 08:10 PM

Well Ive always heard that the spindles will not interchange for b,e body to the a body but i have 70 e body discs on my 71 scamp ... had it on there for 4 years now never a problem still have the same tires too with no unusual wear and my car tracks and steers great... so maybe there is a geometry snaff foo but it hasnt bothered my car...

now for putting 73 up a body discs on the older e,b's ive seen it done and no problems

Posted By: AndyF

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? - 03/22/10 08:28 PM

Knuckles will interchange between any A/B/E and FMJ body car as long as you understand a couple of issues:

1972 and earlier A body cars need to be upgraded to the larger upper ball joint in order to use the big bearing knuckles.

1973 and newer B body cars and all FMJ cars use a taller version of the big bearing knuckle.

As for your brake issue: Slider and pin type brackets will interchange on the same knuckle. Small bearing and big bearing hubs do not interchange.

Posted By: aarcuda

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? - 03/22/10 08:44 PM

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Knuckles will interchange between any A/B/E and FMJ body car as long as you understand a couple of issues:

1972 and earlier A body cars need to be upgraded to the larger upper ball joint in order to use the big bearing knuckles.

1973 and newer B body cars and all FMJ cars use a taller version of the big bearing knuckle.

As for your brake issue: Slider and pin type brackets will interchange on the same knuckle. Small bearing and big bearing hubs do not interchange.

I went and tried to buy some rotors this past weekend after the parts guy tells me mine are worn below service limits (like I didnt expect that to happen...)

oreillys wants $175 per rotor
Advance Auto wants $225 per
Autozone wants $77 per........ So I order them. how much you wanna bet the are not the right ones.

so, with the newer spindles, all's i need is the new hub/rotor (probably the one from autozone for $77) and a different inner bearing. all other stuff like ball joints caliper brackets and so forth will transfer

Posted By: 71mopardude

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? - 03/22/10 09:26 PM

your right their probably the wrong rotors and if they are the later ones you can use them with different inner bearings and seals ( in my case 70 e body spindles with later one piece rotors, that i had turned down due to thickness) i used an A-6 bearing and seal number 41461s both national numbers and both have been on my car for 4 years ... hope it helps some lol

Posted By: aarcuda

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? - 03/23/10 01:50 AM

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your right their probably the wrong rotors and if they are the later ones you can use them with different inner bearings and seals ( in my case 70 e body spindles with later one piece rotors, that i had turned down due to thickness) i used an A-6 bearing and seal number 41461s both national numbers and both have been on my car for 4 years ... hope it helps some lol

we'll see what they look like tomorrow

Posted By: DoctorDiff

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? - 03/23/10 06:01 AM

Unfortunately, A-6 and A-17 bearings should not be mixed in order to install late rotors on early knuckles. The rollers look close, but they have a slightly different pitch.

BTW, I sell spindle sleeves and conversion hub seals to adapt a late rotor and A-17 bearing to the early knuckle.

Posted By: MonGoo$e

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? - 03/23/10 06:10 AM

from my experience the B and E's used that pin style caliper and the A-body used the slider with the clips. I guess they interchange on the spindle?

Posted By: Gavin

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? - 03/23/10 12:01 PM

It's pretty straightforward and there is a lot of info out there on the web (check out Eberg MA article). The "73-76" A Body spindles are the exact same as the 73-74 Ebody. If the vendor says they are based on 73-up spindles I'd be surprised if this is not what they are offering. These in turn are the same as the 70-72 E Body spindles in all respects except with the larger inner bearing...which you want if for no other reason than to avoid the expensive and less reliable two piece early rotors.
There are two caliper brackets, slider and pin, each with merits, that will fit the same spindle and work fine with their respective calipers.

also available are the later F/M/J spindles that have been mentioned. They are a little taller but otherwise fit the same. Debate has raged for 20 years on these...IMHO they are fine to use.

Posted By: aarcuda

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? - 03/23/10 01:59 PM

I spoke to a guy that sells reproduction spindles. he says these are exactly like the originals and take the original style disk with the original sized bearing and seal.

I guess i will try them out....

this is the guy: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...010431005986420

Posted By: AndyF

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? - 03/23/10 03:07 PM

That is a really good deal for a new pair of spindles. The ebay ad is a little misleading probably because the guy doesn't know much about Mopars. Those are 73-74 A/E body spindles. They'll fit any ABE car from '62-'72 and can be used for disc brake conversions. He probably just doesn't know that or didn't want to type it all in. In any case, that is a killer price. He must be buying them wholesale and selling them for just a small markup. Most people charge about twice as much for the same knuckles.

Posted By: DoctorDiff

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? - 03/23/10 03:49 PM

I sell the same thing for $200 pair.

Posted By: AndyF

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? - 03/23/10 05:46 PM

Wow, I didn't know that. Last time I looked around for those spindles they were $400 a pair.

Posted By: aarcuda

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? - 03/23/10 05:58 PM

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That is a really good deal for a new pair of spindles. The ebay ad is a little misleading probably because the guy doesn't know much about Mopars. Those are 73-74 A/E body spindles. They'll fit any ABE car from '62-'72 and can be used for disc brake conversions. He probably just doesn't know that or didn't want to type it all in. In any case, that is a killer price. He must be buying them wholesale and selling them for just a small markup. Most people charge about twice as much for the same knuckles.

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I sell the same thing for $200 pair.

well dang it, the guy says they have the same bearing sizes as the original 1970 E body spindles. He said that these AREN'T the later 73 and up bigger wheel bearing spindles.

was he correct? will my original disks with original bearings fit?

Posted By: AndyF

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? - 03/23/10 07:11 PM

My guess is that the seller is wrong. As far as I know, nobody is reproducing the small bearing knuckle. I could be wrong of course. Maybe the seller actually knows more about his parts than I do!

Posted By: Fury Fan

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? - 03/23/10 07:54 PM

I doubt the seller knows more. He lists those as fitting a Toad runner.

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Spindles fit B & E Body Style Chrysler, dodge, plymouth(Cordoba, Dart Polara, charger magnum, Savoy, Belvedere, Satellite, GTX, Toad runner, Regent Sebring, Sport Fury, Suburban.

Posted By: aarcuda

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? - 03/24/10 01:23 AM

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My guess is that the seller is wrong. As far as I know, nobody is reproducing the small bearing knuckle. I could be wrong of course. Maybe the seller actually knows more about his parts than I do!

Well I should know in a few days..... i bet you are all right but I hope youre all wrong.

I will post the findings.

On a good not, I went to buy new rotors for the cuda. O'reillys had them for $177 each

Advance auto had them for $225 each

Autozone had them for $77 each

So I bought them expecting them to be the wrong ones. BUT i picked them up today and while they are a one piece rotor/hub, they are the small bearing rotor and look like they will work. i'll take a better look at them tomorrow.

The oreilly and advance rotors were Wagners while the autozone was a duralast (but it looks to be the same thickness as my originals...)

Posted By: Scotts72Rallye

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? - 03/24/10 01:59 AM

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Autozone had them for $77 each So I bought them expecting them to be the wrong ones. BUT i picked them up today and while they are a one piece rotor/hub, they are the small bearing rotor and look like they will work. i'll take a better look at them tomorrow.

The oreilly and advance rotors were Wagners while the autozone was a duralast (but it looks to be the same thickness as my originals...)

I have a post in the restoration section trying to id some brakes and was wondering also if the Duralast will work.

I'll definitely be awaiting the verdict.

Scott

Posted By: aarcuda

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? - 03/26/10 07:38 PM

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My guess is that the seller is wrong. As far as I know, nobody is reproducing the small bearing knuckle. I could be wrong of course. Maybe the seller actually knows more about his parts than I do!

Well I should know in a few days..... i bet you are all right but I hope youre all wrong.

I will post the findings.

On a good not, I went to buy new rotors for the cuda. O'reillys had them for $177 each

Advance auto had them for $225 each

Autozone had them for $77 each So I bought them expecting them to be the wrong ones. BUT i picked them up today and while they are a one piece rotor/hub, they are the small bearing rotor and look like they will work. i'll take a better look at them tomorrow.

The oreilly and advance rotors were Wagners while the autozone was a duralast (but it looks to be the same thickness as my originals...)

Well the rotors showed up today and guess what, THEY ARE THE FREAKING LARGER BEARING SPINDLES

man, nothing ticks me off more than ASKING A STRAIGHT FORWARD question and getting a wrong answer- especially since I could have bought some others from Steves Musclecar parts at the beginning of the week and had them here by now to go on the car tomorrow.

but no, i took a chance and got the shaft. now the car sits until next week.

dagnabbit

Posted By: HemiDave

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? - 03/26/10 09:41 PM

Get your parts from Dr. Diff and END the frustration!

Dave

Posted By: AndyF

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? - 03/26/10 09:57 PM

Well if you buy those spindles then you'll be fine because they'll have the larger bearings also.