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What kind of Keystone mag is this?

Posted By: magnumcharger

What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 02/14/10 02:20 AM

I saw these pictures in the latest edition of Hemmings Muscle Machines.
If I knew what these wheels were called, I could actually start looking for a set...
Any ideas?

To me they look exactly like a wheel off of a 1960's vintage HotWheels!
(And that's exactly why I want them!)

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Posted By: magnumcharger

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 02/14/10 02:21 AM

Another picture...

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Posted By: Anonymous

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 02/14/10 03:26 AM

Can't help with those but Fenton Sharks really trip my trigger!

I think they look kinda like the Hotwheels wheels as well.

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Posted By: Anonymous

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 02/14/10 03:29 AM

Another funky Keystone that I've never seen before:

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Posted By: Slap Shot

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 02/14/10 10:56 AM

i have these 15x4 Keystone magnesium wheels 4.5 bolt pattern and 2' back space i have been trying to find info on with no luck.

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Posted By: magnumcharger

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/20/11 03:55 PM

I finally found out what these wheels are!
They are a Radir wheel, offered for sale at select performance dealerships such as Motion. The ones I've found online have a GM bolt pattern only, which is no good for my Mopar.
Posted By: In_The_Pink

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/20/11 04:42 PM

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i have these 15x4 Keystone magnesium wheels 4.5 bolt pattern and 2' back space i have been trying to find info on with no luck.



This is a cropped pic taken from a Hot Rod photospread where they lay out all the new speed equipment at a dragstrip and take pics. I will see if I can find it, but I don't recall much info about the wheels being mentioned.

Posted By: OzHemi

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/20/11 04:57 PM

Quote:

I finally found out what these wheels are!
They are a Rader wheel, offered for sale at select performance dealerships such as Motion. The ones I've found online have a GM bolt pattern only, which is no good for my Mopar.



If you really want to run the wheels, why not just redrill the axles/hub on the car? (assuming you did not want to redrill/insert the wheels for what ever reason)
Posted By: Daty Rogers

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/20/11 11:22 PM

Quote:

I finally found out what these wheels are!
They are a Rader wheel, offered for sale at select performance dealerships such as Motion. The ones I've found online have a GM bolt pattern only, which is no good for my Mopar.



You can get them from www.radirwheels.com

-Daty
Posted By: jrwoodjoe

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/20/11 11:29 PM

There was a "KIT" offered one year in the mid 60s for the Barracuda. It included a lot of body bolt on pieces and IIRC it included those Radir wheels. I have an article around somewhere about it. Always thought they were pretty neat looking wheel. Def. different.
Posted By: B5 Bee

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/21/11 12:50 AM

I don't see where the wheels in the first two pics look anything like Radar or Radir Wheels. They look more like the Keystones in RO51's and Pink's posts.
A friend on mine's older brother had a set of these Keystones on his 327/350, 4spd, '66 Chevy Deuce SS. I never had seen another set till this thread. The set I saw didn't have a dome cap, they had a flat cap the made the wheel look like it didn't have a center hole, the green Chevelle in the second pic appears to have the same type cap.
Posted By: pishta

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/21/11 12:58 AM

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I finally found out what these wheels are!
They are a Rader wheel, offered for sale at select performance dealerships such as Motion. The ones I've found online have a GM bolt pattern only, which is no good for my Mopar.



You can get them from www.radirwheels.com

-Daty



Every car in that site is Kewl! Golden Age of hot rods! Fireball was a 66 Barracuda with a 426 in it.
Posted By: magnumcharger

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/21/11 12:47 PM

This is the wheel in the first picture, yes a Radir (not Rader). These wheels are no longer in production.
I could get a set of adapters, yes, but so far I haven't found a set of these wheels for sale anywhere!!!

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Posted By: Daty Rogers

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/21/11 11:26 PM

Quote:

There was a "KIT" offered one year in the mid 60s for the Barracuda. It included a lot of body bolt on pieces and IIRC it included those Radir wheels. I have an article around somewhere about it. Always thought they were pretty neat looking wheel. Def. different.



That's the Barris car, there's still a couple/few still out there. I'll post on the BOG and seeif anyone has the article talking about them. Barris used Radir's on a lot of his cars including the Batmobile.

-Daty
Posted By: In_The_Pink

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/23/11 04:33 PM

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This is the wheel in the first picture, yes a Radir (not Rader). These wheels are no longer in production.
I could get a set of adapters, yes, but so far I haven't found a set of these wheels for sale anywhere!!!



Any idea what the model name of this wheel is?
Posted By: dogdays

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/23/11 05:19 PM

The OP's wheel is not a Radir. First of all, Radirs weren't being made when that picture was taken. They are a relatively new company.
Secondly,look at the rim between the spokes. Definitely different.

The 15 x 4s were for skinny front tires for drag racing but you already knew that.

If I looked through all my old magazines I would probably find them but I choose not to do that.

R.
Posted By: In_The_Pink

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/23/11 06:26 PM

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The OP's wheel is not a Radir. First of all, Radirs weren't being made when that picture was taken. They are a relatively new company.
Secondly,look at the rim between the spokes. Definitely different.

The 15 x 4s were for skinny front tires for drag racing but you already knew that.

If I looked through all my old magazines I would probably find them but I choose not to do that.

R.



I had always thought "Radir" was the correct and original wheel company name, and "Rader" was an incorrect spelling, but the original Batmobile ran Rader wheels and I just Googled this interview with the founder of Rader Wheels, Richard Rader:

http://www.1966batmobile.com/rader.htm

From the article:

"Rader only made two one piece cast aluminum wheels. One was a cast Magnesium dragster wheel 16X13 (Superlite Rader) and a one piece cast aluminum car wheel 14X6."

Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/23/11 06:54 PM

RADER "old school" originals from the '60s (ad from '65 - Motor Wheel Corp of America) located in CA.

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Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/23/11 06:59 PM

RADIR new company in NJ that makes "reproductions" of RADER type wheels & accessories.

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Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/23/11 07:04 PM

treed .... I also found & was going to post the Von Rader interview.

Here's a vintage RADER ad with a wheel (one piece) similar to the Keystone looking "front runner" wheel above.

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Posted By: In_The_Pink

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/23/11 07:09 PM

Thanks for posting that.

Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/23/11 07:27 PM

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i have these 15x4 Keystone magnesium wheels 4.5 bolt pattern and 2' back space i have been trying to find info on with no luck.



This is a cropped pic taken from a Hot Rod photospread where they lay out all the new speed equipment at a dragstrip and take pics. I will see if I can find it, but I don't recall much info about the wheels being mentioned.





What vintage is that "photospread" (mag/month/year)? Can you post pics of a "Sno Mag"? Same vintage?
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/23/11 07:33 PM

The "Berger" wheel looks like this wheel.

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Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/23/11 07:35 PM

Credited as an "EMPI exclusive" from the '60s - "RADER MAG-TYPE WHEEL" Wheel Corp of America

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Posted By: In_The_Pink

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/23/11 10:46 PM

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What vintage is that "photospread" (mag/month/year)? Can you post pics of a "Sno Mag"? Same vintage?



Early to mid '70s...'72-'74 if I had to guess. I will dig through my back issues and find it.

Posted By: In_The_Pink

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/23/11 10:50 PM

SnoMag:










Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/24/11 05:13 AM

Quote:

i have these 15x4 Keystone magnesium wheels 4.5 bolt pattern and 2' back space i have been trying to find info on with no luck.



Are you sure they are magnesium? They sure look like "bare" Sno-Mags, is there a K cast on the backside? I know they made chrome plated versions of the one-piece Sno-Mag.
Posted By: magnumcharger

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/24/11 03:59 PM

Okay, here is the webpage I found the information about these wheels:
http://akhwheels.com/pages/inventory.php?cat=3
Apparently, they are "Nickey" wheels, not "Berger" as I previously stated.

I need a set of four for my Deora replica project. I emailed the advertiser on these ones...I've been told they are out of stock. No big surprise, as they were rare to begin with.

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Posted By: bboogieart

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/24/11 04:14 PM

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Barris used Radir's on a lot of his cars including the Batmobile.



I just read an article (Mopar Action Oct 2011) about the 68 Dart that
was used in the t.v. series "Manix" built by Barris.
They had to replace these wheels for Crager S/S because they warped and cracked. maybe this is why you don't see much of them.

Leave it to Casey to come up with the vintage ad's. Nice Job Pink. I love the scale Dandy Dick Landy Avatvr.
On a personal note;
I always liked the Keystone Classics as seen on Sox and Martin cars. Especially on 66&67 a&b-bodies and 66 to 68 c-bodies. They compliment the crisp body lines. Crager S/S for fuselage bodies.

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Posted By: magnumcharger

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/24/11 05:05 PM

Right then.
After wasting countless hours searching the 'web here at work (my job is very lame!), I've finally found the definitive information I was searching for!!

Now the hard part: finding and purchasing an actual set of these wheels!

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Posted By: Slap Shot

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/24/11 08:28 PM

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i have these 15x4 Keystone magnesium wheels 4.5 bolt pattern and 2' back space i have been trying to find info on with no luck.



Are you sure they are magnesium? They sure look like "bare" Sno-Mags, is there a K cast on the backside? I know they made chrome plated versions of the one-piece Sno-Mag.



yes 100% they are magnesium just like my 1965 and 1968 Hemi cross ram intakes in fact i sold them to a board member last year who picked them up in person.
Posted By: In_The_Pink

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/24/11 10:17 PM

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Now the hard part: finding and purchasing an actual set of these wheels!



I wonder who actually made the wheels for Nickey, and if they were only available in the 5-on-4.75" bolt pattern.

They're pretty sweet wheels.
Posted By: magnumcharger

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/28/11 06:39 PM

Here's an email I got the other day...with regards to the picture of the Nickey wheel...
"Hi Robin,
We sold this set. The new owner has changed directions and wants to sell them. As I recall 3 were GM 4 3/4" pattern in 14" and one new old stock was 15 x 6 in GM. Also one was a 4 1/2" pattern wheel. Total of five wheels. I think $2500 is what he wanted for these wheels. I can check and see with a request.
Terry Rowe
AKHWheels.com"

So, they came in two sizes, and at least two different bolt patterns.
Posted By: In_The_Pink

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/28/11 11:56 PM

Here is the page from Hot Rod I was thinking of, but it's loose, so I didn't get an issue number nor the opposite page from the article.

Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: What kind of Keystone mag is this? - 06/29/11 12:25 AM

HOT ROD December 1972 page 92

'73 Performance Part Preview ..... new products from the high-performance industry

item #11) - "Lightweight magnesium street/strip wheel in assorted sizes from Keystone Processing and Engineering Company, Ontario, Calif.

no other specifics, but many other pictured items have ads in the January '73 issue of HOT ROD
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