Are these options real or made up ?

Posted By: Texican

Are these options real or made up ? - 11/19/09 02:18 AM

Please confirm if these (hand written options) are even possible. There is no fender tag, only a promise that one exists somewhere in his house....so I'm buying it without a fender tag, but the options below look a little strange to me.

VIN: JS23V0B199xxx

I'm in the process of starting another project, this one is pretty rough, but well worth the effort and much more interesting than my 383 2bbl Challenger I just sold (after fully restoring it).
The wife can't believe I sold such a nice car and turn right around and buy a piece of Junk

Anyway, I know I have a a special car... but have not been able to find the production figures for special option packages such as track pack, elasometric bumpers, shaker hood, etc...

Is any of this information available for those willing to do the homework or is Galen the only one with this information (does he have it) ?

My main question is with the elastometric bumper - shaker - track pack, etc... is this car more rare than I initially thought or did most of the

6-pack 4-speed cars receive these options ?

Thought i was just buying a 6-pack 4-speed car.

Here are my codes:

JS23 V0B 199XXX
D21 4-SPEED A833
E87 440 3-2BBL 390 HP
0228XX ORDER NUM
B20 PROD DATE 11/20/69
000 FULL DOOR PANEL
H6E4 RED INTERIOR
FE5 PAINT BRIGHT RED
C55 BUCKET SEATS
C16 WOOD GRAIN CONSOLE
A62 RALLEY CLUSTER 150 SPEEDO
A34 SUPER TRACK PACK 4.10 DISC BRAKES HEMI SUSP
A21 ELASTOMETRIC BUMPER - FRONT ONLY RACE MIRROR
FE5 RED PAINT
N85 TACHOMETER
N42 BRIGHT EXHAUST TIPS
N41 DUAL EXHAUST SYSTEM
M21 DRIP RAIL MOULDINGS
J81 REAR SPOILER - WING TYPE
G11 TINTED GLASS - ALL WINDOWS
26 26" RADIATOR
Y05 BUILT TO SPECS - USA ORDER
V8W TRANSVERSE TAPE STRIPES - WHITE
R11 AM RADIO - MUSIC MASTER
N96 CARBURETOR FRESH AIR - SHAKER HOOD
EN2

Any feedback is appreciated.
Mike

Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 11/19/09 02:36 AM

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VIN: JS23V0B199xxx

I'm in the process of starting another project, this one is pretty rough, but well worth the effort and much more interesting than my 383 2bbl Challenger I just sold (after fully restoring it).
The wife can't believe I sold such a nice car and turn right around and buy a piece of Junk

Anyway, I know I have a a special car... but have not been able to find the production figures for special option packages such as track pack, elasometric bumpers, shaker hood, etc...

Is any of this information available for those willing to do the homework or is Galen the only one with this information (does he have it) ?

My main question is with the elastometric bumper - shaker - track pack, etc... is this car more rare than I initially thought or did most of the

6-pack 4-speed cars receive these options ?

Thought i was just buying a 6-pack 4-speed car.

Here are my codes:

JS23 V0B 199XXX
D21 4-SPEED A833
E87 440 3-2BBL 390 HP
0228XX ORDER NUM
B20 PROD DATE 11/20/69
000 FULL DOOR PANEL
H6E4 RED INTERIOR
FE5 PAINT BRIGHT RED
C55 BUCKET SEATS
C16 WOOD GRAIN CONSOLE
A62 RALLEY CLUSTER 150 SPEEDO
A34 SUPER TRACK PACK 4.10 DISC BRAKES HEMI SUSP
A21 ELASTOMETRIC BUMPER - FRONT ONLY RACE MIRROR
FE5 RED PAINT
N85 TACHOMETER
N42 BRIGHT EXHAUST TIPS
N41 DUAL EXHAUST SYSTEM
M21 DRIP RAIL MOULDINGS
J81 REAR SPOILER - WING TYPE
G11 TINTED GLASS - ALL WINDOWS
26 26" RADIATOR
Y05 BUILT TO SPECS - USA ORDER
V8W TRANSVERSE TAPE STRIPES - WHITE
R11 AM RADIO - MUSIC MASTER
N96 CARBURETOR FRESH AIR - SHAKER HOOD
EN2

Any feedback is appreciated.
Mike

100% bogus tag.

Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 11/19/09 02:40 AM

From your other post, I assume it is the same car?

Quote:

71ChallengeMe
member

Reged: May 03 2005
Loc: Denison, Texas Re: Broadcast Sheets - L&F E Body [Re: moparts]
#5613183 - Wed Nov 18 2009 04:41 PM Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply

Looking for broadcast sheet for:
JS23V0B199883

Thanks for any info-
Contact mike@Logic2.com

Posted By: Texican

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 11/19/09 02:44 AM

Thanks for the reply -
There is no fender tag...only the codes above that the previous owner was quoting over the phone and wrote down for me by hand - He said he think this is right, but for sure until he finds it.
He said when he finds the tag, he will call me and he doesn't appear to be a crook.
He's had the car for over 20 years in his yard and it didn't suddenly pop up over night.

Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 11/19/09 02:46 AM

That combination of codes is simply not possible.

If you got it with the car when you bought it, you should demand your money back from the seller.

Posted By: Texican

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 11/19/09 03:08 AM

He removed it years ago for safe keeping and is going off of his memory...What you say makes sense and now I'm sure what he said is not correct.
The car is a real V-Code Chalenger with a 20 year old title in his name and has all the right (appears to be original and untouched ) parts such as Hemi K-Frame, Sway Bar, Radiator Support, Cowl, Ate up Factory Interior, etc...
Too much rust and original patina to be a restore.

I bought it for what it is (without a fender tag) and I'm going to put it back on the road with or without a fender tag.

Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 11/19/09 03:16 AM

The problem is the tag is 100% bogus like I said.

One BIG clue is the A21 - Not available at all on 1970 Challengers.

Get your money back.

You mentioned Oklahoma, fake tags are illegal there, here is a link to the statute;

http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/deliverdocument.asp?id=450125

Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 11/19/09 03:19 AM

Did you buy the car from Craigslist? If so, were the last digits of the seller's phone number ?

Posted By: Texican

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 11/19/09 03:29 AM

No, I didn't buy it from Craigslist and this car was (NEVER) advertised for sale, I bought it locally from a gentleman that I know and who is reputable, and that's not his phone number. I've been trying to buy it from him since I got back from Korea in the late 80's (Army). He finally sold it to me.

I'm 100% positive that this V-Code car is real and has been on his property (rusting) for more than 20 years, but as for the hand written fender tag... I'll assume it is wrong and there is no tag.

I really appreciate your feedback.
Thank You Very Much

Posted By: Texican

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 11/19/09 03:50 AM

I brought the car home and she's real...just looking for her fender plate and BCAST Sheet.

Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 11/19/09 04:04 AM

A01 is light group.

Posted By: Texican

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 11/19/09 04:08 AM

While I was there I also bought a 1967 Coronet R/T in pretty good shape and 100% complete (minus engine/tranny). He produced the title, fender tag and broadcast sheet.

Posted By: Texican

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 11/19/09 04:14 AM

Well, I guess that answers my question about rare options (elastometric bumpers were non existent)... A01 is more like it.
Thanks Alaskan

Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 11/19/09 04:17 AM

Hopefully he just wrote a few things down wrong.

Posted By: KillerBee

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 11/19/09 04:20 AM

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Hopefully he just wrote a FEW things down wrong.

I was thinking there are MORE issues with the fender tag than just the A21

Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 11/19/09 04:54 AM

lots wrong with that tag

Posted By: b54406barrel

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 11/19/09 06:09 AM

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lots wrong with that tag

Uhhh, what tag?? I don't see a tag.

Posted By: JohnRR

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 11/19/09 11:54 PM

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lots wrong with that tag

Uhhh, what tag?? I don't see a tag.

Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 11/20/09 01:23 AM

a PHOTO of said tag would solve allot of questions right about now......

Posted By: BigMoneyLewis

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 11/20/09 06:30 AM

I'm pretty sure you could not get a November built Challenger with a shaker (?) .
I think the shaker was available in August , then unavailable until sometime around June(?)just before end of production year. That's why their are so few real '70 Challenger N96 cars.

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Posted By: moparpollack

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 11/28/09 04:08 AM

Was his name Scott by chance?

Posted By: 474218

Re: Are these options real or made up ? - 12/12/09 10:03 PM

Why would N-41 Dual Exhaust System be on the options tag? Shouldn't they have been standard equipment on 440 6-packs?

Posted By: Snoopy

Re: Are these options real or made up ? - 12/12/09 10:21 PM

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Why would N-41 Dual Exhaust System be on the options tag? Shouldn't they have been standard equipment on 440 6-packs?

Not if it was a N97 California car.

Posted By: Snoopy

Re: Are these options real or made up ? - 12/12/09 10:36 PM

Have you checked for a broadcast sheet?

Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 12/12/09 10:44 PM

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The problem is the tag is 100% bogus like I said.

One BIG clue is the A21 - Not available at all on 1970 Challengers.

Get your money back.

You mentioned Oklahoma, fake tags are illegal there, here is a link to the statute;

http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/deliverdocument.asp?id=450125

I'm curious--how can it be known that an elastomeric front bumper was never factory installed on a 70 challenger?

Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 12/12/09 11:02 PM

I'm curious--how can it be known that an elastomeric front bumper was never factory installed on a 70 challenger?

A long time rumor.......although not "impossible", has never surfaced, about the only "Factory" 70 with elastromeric bumpers from back in the day was the Yellow Jacket, long before it was converted into the Diamante,....as to the origins of the bumpers? factory installed?

who knows unless you were there?, factory supplied?...I would think most definately

As to a production 70 Challenger leaving the dealers lot so equipped,...possible

As to a RPO,.......not until 71

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Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 12/13/09 12:49 AM

The factory invoice for the Yellow Jacket does not show rubber bumpers.

Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 12/13/09 01:06 AM

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The factory invoice for the Yellow Jacket does not show rubber bumpers.

Well that doesn't mean they were not on or with the car as it was sent off to the customizers?.......You have a "copy" of that?

Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 12/13/09 01:20 AM

It was built as a regular, plain old Hemi convertible R/T (if there is such a thing) & it was shipped that way to it's first destination. It did not go very far.

Yes, I do have a copy.

Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 12/13/09 01:48 AM

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It was built as a regular, plain old Hemi convertible R/T (if there is such a thing) & it was shipped that way to it's first destination. It did not go very far.

Yes, I do have a copy.

A "BLACK"......plain old Hemi vert

Posted By: mccannix

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 12/13/09 02:58 AM

A "BLACK"......plain old Hemi vert

...and the only Hemi Challenger convertible built with a shaker hood

Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 12/13/09 03:01 AM

No shaker on the invoice either.

Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 12/13/09 04:57 AM

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No shaker on the invoice either.

Looks like that "invoice" is shy a few items?

Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 12/13/09 05:15 AM

Hard to put custom touches on a factory invoice.

Posted By: Texican

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 12/13/09 04:28 PM

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Was his name Scott by chance?

You're the second person who has asked if I bought it from a guy named Scott, and the answer is (NO), I bought it from a guy named Robert (Last name starts with S) and his name is on the (20 year old title)
Where is this Scott guy from ? The car and title came form Oklahoma.
I don't know anyone in the Mopar hobby named Scott (or anyone named Scott for that matter).

Is he someone to stay away from ?
Que Pasa ?

------
I also bought a 67 Coronet R/T (440) from the ame guy (also 3 weeks ago), and he did give me the fender tag and Broadcast sheet for the car.

I just dropped a (motor home) 440/727 into it and working on the brakes this weekend. It should be running in a few.

BTW, after close inspection of the Challenger now in my possession, it does not have plastic bumpers, it does not have a hole in the firewall for a shaker hood, and it does not look like it ever had a wing installed on the deck lid...
I can tell that it is a factory 4-speed, factory console, has a 26" rad opening, Has skid plate on k-frame, Has a Dana 60 axle (cant read number on botton yet...need to get it up on my lift and clean it) and count the ratio. Paint under dash, on the inner firewall, and inside the rear quarters is black...not red.

But until the owner finds the tag, there's not much I can do.

Thanks
Mike

Posted By: Jwilli500

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 12/13/09 05:35 PM

Did you buy it in Oklahoma?

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Was his name Scott by chance?

Posted By: BDW

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 12/13/09 05:56 PM

Suspense is killing me, who is Scott and what's the deal?

I'm guessing he has tried to unload a similar bogus car in the past?

Posted By: Jwilli500

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 12/13/09 06:01 PM

He is a local individual who wheels and deals in Mopars.

Posted By: Texican

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 12/13/09 08:16 PM

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Did you buy it in Oklahoma?

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Was his name Scott by chance?

It was purchased, and picked up just outside of Yuba, Oklahoma less than 20 miles from my house.

I know it has been there for a very long time, because I've seen it on the way to one of my favorite arrowhead hunting places since the late 80's when I came back from Korea (Army).

What's up with all the mystery and secrecy?

If you know something about my car, then I would be delighted if you would fill me in.

I appreciate Q&A conversation as much as the next guy, but if you know something about it that I do not, then I see no reason why you would keep that information to yourself....

I'm tired, please contribute.

Posted By: 2fast4yourBrain

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 12/13/09 09:15 PM

V8W?

Never seen that on an R/T.

Also...

Could one get G11 on a non-AC car? I suppose:

I'm sure this type of car would have come w/power brakes?

Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 12/13/09 09:44 PM

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Could one get G11 on a non-AC car?

Yes, it's recommended on AC cars, and optional on the others, but would not show up on the fender tag in 1970.

Tav

Posted By: Jwilli500

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 12/13/09 10:56 PM

Texican you have PM

Posted By: 71 Charger R/T

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 12/14/09 09:32 PM

I am curious also.... I own a car that was once owned by a Scott L. out of Oklahoma that kind of brokers in old Mopars from what I understand. It sounds like the guy you are talking about.... Is there something I should know?

Posted By: Texican

Re: How unique are these options ? (70 Six Pack Chally) - 12/15/09 01:53 AM

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I am curious also.... I own a car that was once owned by a Scott L. out of Oklahoma that kind of brokers in old Mopars from what I understand. It sounds like the guy you are talking about.... Is there something I should know?

I don't know... My car was not owned by anyone named Scott, but several people asked since it was an oklahoma car at one time. I've never heard of (Scott) until recently on this board. Sounds like a guy to stay away from. Maybe someone can chime in here

The old man I bought my last (2 cars) from is as good as gold and does not wheel and deal in cars, he' a farmer and pretty good mechanic. My only complaint is that he (promised) me he had the fender tag...and so far (3 weeks later) he hasn't found it - but that's ok, I'm happy with my purchase without it...if it turns up, then it turns up. The other car he sold me (67 Coronet R/T) did come with the fender tag and the broadcast sheet was under tht back seat.... so maybe he will remember where he put it.