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Where did this 426 Hemi come from?
Posted By: berrost
Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/11/09 05:03 AM
I am about to put a non-numbers matching 426 Hemi into my 1966 Belvedere II Hemi car but would like to know where this donor came from, i cant decode the engine number - help!
Date: 5-19-69
Eng ID: 7C219753
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/11/09 05:06 AM
Got a photo of the partial VIN?
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/11/09 05:12 AM
Posted By: autoxcuda
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/11/09 05:37 AM
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I am about to put a non-numbers matching 426 Hemi into my 1966 Belvedere II Hemi car but would like to know where this donor came from, i cant decode the engine number - help!
Date: 5-19-69
Eng ID: 7C219753
On a 66 there are no stamped vin numbers on the block. All cars 1967 and down actually. So if you found a 66/65 casted block it would be "numbers matching" in the 66 sense.
Usually 66/65 blocks go for less than 69's. It should not be very hard to trade across a 66 for 69 block in equal condition.
You can ask here what casting dates are typical found/accepted for Hemi cars near your SPD date.
Posted By: berrost
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/11/09 05:40 AM
Thanks and I agree, still want to know where this block came from
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/11/09 05:58 AM
The first "7" in the vin must be a typo. The second digit is a G, so it is out of a B-body from the St. Louis plant for sure.
Any other stampings on it? That would narrow it down some more.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/11/09 06:11 AM
64-67 Hemis lacked VIN#'s.
Speaking on 66/67 Street Hemis you would see the year code, cubic inches, assembly date, build sequence, and any other symbols denoting special opperations (OS bores, etc.) on the machined pad opposite of the distributor.
For instance a 66 Hemi engine pad might look like this:
BH 426 HP
10 14 07
Breaks down as:
B = 1966 model year install
H = Hemi Engine
426 = Cubic inches
HP = High Performance
10 = October (1965)
14 = 14th day
07 = 7th engine assembled that shift
*A 65 or 66 casting date block from a different car COULD be considered technically correct for your 66 car, but only if the block is stamped BH 426, and only if the assembly date is close to your cars Scheduled Production Date (a week or so before, or in some less common cases a few days after the date are the norm) so finding a "correct" engine with the right date and stampings is more difficult than most people think.
If you'd like to know more about your engine you'll need to post more info. The partial VIN stamping will not tell you what exact model it came from (only the body style as Barry pointed out) only where and when it was build, and what model year it may have been installed in. Most blocks cast in mid 1969 ended up in 1970 or 1971 model year cars. Look for more stampings on the oil pan rail extension and the upper pad opposite the distributor, post pics of what you find for more clues as to what you have.
Posted By: berrost
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/11/09 03:03 PM
Thanks for all the 66 block info, thee is a very high priced 66 Hemi block on ebay item # 150387073983. If I read the pad as you have decribed I believe it is a BH 426 with a 4-7-27 date.
My cars SPD is 4-29-66 so this block would be correct for my car?
please look at the ebay listing and give me your thoughts.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/11/09 03:22 PM
I looked at the block, it's within an acceptable range for your car, in general a bit early but acceptable. The price however, is rediculous IMO, good bare pre 69 blocks don't normally bring over 3-4K
Posted By: berrost
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/11/09 04:02 PM
Agree on the price its been on ebay before and never sold - who'd of guessed.
I just finished looking at every section of the 426 for additional numbers but all I have is the stamping and then 2-B's and a WT on the upper pad ny the intake.
thanks
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/11/09 04:03 PM
Did you look on the underside surface of the oil pan rail extension (passenger side faces the ground when installed in a car)?
Posted By: berrost
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/11/09 04:11 PM
No - engine has been final assembled and as I would really like to know where it came from I also dont want to tear it down.
from the picutre you sent is there usually more than just a date in that location?
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/11/09 04:26 PM
That area would be exposed after final assembly. Yes, there can be more info than the example I posted, just showing you where to look. As far as wanting to know where it came from, see my post above. If you send the Vin sequence number to Galen Govier he MIGHT have the matching cars VIN# on record if it still exists, otherwise that's as far as the trail will take you on that block.
Posted By: berrost
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/11/09 04:48 PM
nothing on the passenger side but the drivers side I found the following well stamped ID
NM4263570121442
The plot thickens
Posted By: 70gtx440dana
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/11/09 04:53 PM
With a 5 19 69 cast date the motor likely came out of a 70 or 71 model car.....the confusing part is the 7 in front of the GXXXXXX. That would have to be a typo.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/11/09 04:55 PM
NM4263570121442
Per Galens White Book Break Down:
NM = (should be MN?) Marrysville assembly plant
426 = Cubic inches
3570 = 10,000 day assembly date = May 07, 1971
1214 = 1,214th engine assembled
42 = unknown
Can you post a pic?
*BTW, I would assume the "7" in the VIN sequence was a mistake and was probably confused with a "1" when the stamper grabbed it as they look pretty similar at a glance.
Posted By: ph23vo
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/11/09 05:06 PM
well there,s not too many 71 hemi cars so it may be a known car...could be worth big $$$ if the car is around dan
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/11/09 05:08 PM
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could be worth big $$$ if the car is around
IF the car is still around
Posted By: berrost
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/11/09 05:14 PM
I am new to this posting stuff - I added the picture above in a previous thread
Posted By: autoxcuda
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/11/09 05:20 PM
Quote:
NM4263570121442
Per Galens White Book Break Down:
NM = (should be MN?) Marrysville assembly plant
426 = Cubic inches
3570 = 10,000 day assembly date = May 07, 1971
1214 = 1,214th engine assembled
42 = unknown
Can you post a pic?
*BTW, I would assume the "7" in the VIN sequence was a mistake and was probably confused with a "1" when the stamper grabbed it as they look pretty similar at a glance.
Wouldn't a May 7, 1971 be for a really, really late 71 built car. Like what is the latest SPD 71 hemi car known?
Just a W.A.G., but could this be a waranty block with a dealer hand stamped vin??
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/11/09 05:34 PM
Yes it would have been a late 71 car for sure, but May is a several months shy of the end of 71 production. I HIGHLY doubt if it's a dealer stamped warranty block but if it were you'd more than likely find a tag, the special rivot that held it on, or at least the hole it made.
Posted By: 70440+6bbl
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/11/09 05:41 PM
Just for reference, here is a pic of another St.Louis block (G440HP).
Posted By: flathood
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/11/09 06:52 PM
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I looked at the block, it's within an acceptable range for your car, in general a bit early but acceptable. The price however, is rediculous IMO, good bare pre 69 blocks don't normally bring over 3-4K
I have noticed several '66 cast blocks go for between $4800 & $5100 on e/bag.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/11/09 07:14 PM
That's why it's called an "estimate", your results may vary. Bottom line these days 10K is foolish money for a 66 block.
Posted By: 69CoronetRT
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/11/09 08:49 PM
FWIW...I agree that is most likely out of a 71.
Matching the VIN to the engine assembly date may help.
for 69, VIN 219*** would have an SPD of 212 - this would be before your engine assembly
for 70, VIN 219*** = 410, again before your engine assembly.
For 71 VIN 215*** = 512 and 225*** = 602. So the VIN range and your engine assembly date fit best with a 71 model.
This leaves GTX's, Road Runners, Super Bees and Charger R/Ts as possible donors.
Posted By: berrost
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/11/09 11:53 PM
Update - I actually think I found the car and owner talked to him for an hour. He pulled the motor in 82 and put it in the Belvedere. He still has the 71 Roadrunner it came out of. We are discussing options. Thanks for all the help
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/12/09 12:21 AM
That's cool. How did you manage to find him?
Posted By: gomangoRTSE
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/12/09 12:54 AM
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That's cool. How did you manage to find him?
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Yea inquiring minds want to know........how in the wild wonderful world did you locate him?
Posted By: berrost
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/12/09 01:39 AM
When I bought the Belvedere 3 years ago I spent 6 months chasing the cars history, this guy was the second owner and has the original trans which I wrote some notes down about. Today I called him to work out getting the trans and asked him if he ever did an engine swap and he said he put a 68 hemi in the Belvedere. When Imentioned the 71 he said he thought this engine went into a Cuda he had at the time and was lost forever.
Now comes the decission - does the engine go to the car or will the car come to the engine. He is chewing on it now. one way or another the package will reunite.
Thanks to all of you for the help - guess I really need to find that 66 block now, and BTW he thinks he knows where that is also.
its been a good day.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/12/09 02:18 AM
Cool beans, hope it works out for both of you. FWIW, it will be pretty tough to find a date correct 66 block, that ebay example was a pretty lucky find so soon in your search being as close as it was, too bad it's priced on the moon.
Posted By: berrost
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/12/09 02:23 AM
Thanks, I have actually been searching for the correct 66 block for over 2 years, found many from May-Oct but none that support my SPD of 4-29-66
Posted By: hemicar1971
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/12/09 02:54 AM
1966 motors are very common, you should be able to come up with what you want. 1971 cars usually have Jan, 1970 cast blocks or 1969 cast blocks there are some other dates that were put into 1971s also. The 1970 blocks were put into the most of the a cars and the very late cars got the 1969 blocks. There are exceptions but this is a generally what happened in the 1971 Hemi Build.
Posted By: 6PakBee
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/12/09 11:24 AM
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Thanks, I have actually been searching for the correct 66 block for over 2 years, found many from May-Oct but none that support my SPD of 4-29-66
I'm in the same boat. I've been looking for over five years for a block for my '67 GTX with a 1-12-67 SPD. I did pick up a 0.020 over BH block with a 4-12-18 final assembly date that I'll probably use once I give up trying to find the correct one.
Posted By: berrost
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/15/09 02:58 AM
Attention all: talk about a small world, Roger here (last reply) is the gentleman that has the actual block for my 1966 Belvedere II Hemi car (bought it off the second owner of the car). I finally chased him down today after many hours of internet searching to find he was the last posting on this trail.
What a wonderful Mopar world we live in - you would never find Chevy people doing this!!!!!
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/15/09 03:28 AM
Very cool! 2 Hemi cars will be reunited with thier original engines? Doesn't get much better than that! Looks like your original engine falls right inline with what it should, a week or so before the cars SPD (the car probably got built a bit sooner than the scheduled date, Hemi engines didn't sit around long at all once built).
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/15/09 03:45 AM
BTW, your Hemi Belvedere wouldn't happen to be black would it? I knew of one a guy in Concord owned, it was a project car, maybe the same car?
Posted By: autoxcuda
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/15/09 04:21 AM
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Attention all: talk about a small world, Roger here (last reply) is the gentleman that has the actual block for my 1966 Belvedere II Hemi car (bought it off the second owner of the car). I finally chased him down today after many hours of internet searching to find he was the last posting on this trail.
What a wonderful Mopar world we live in - you would never find Chevy people doing this!!!!!
It sounded like he had no idea there was any connection to your car when he made that post?? Talk about finding something right in front of you. Unbelievable. And berrost has a whopping TWELVE posts and runs into this!!
Did the block go from California to North Dakota? No hopefully back to California?
Congratulations.
Posted By: hemi-itis
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/15/09 05:35 AM
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Very cool! 2 Hemi cars will be reunited with thier original engines? Doesn't get much better than that! Looks like your original engine falls right inline with what it should, a week or so before the cars SPD (the car probably got built a bit sooner than the scheduled date, Hemi engines didn't sit around long at all once built).
Would love to reunite my block with the original car,I'll stick with the aftermarket blocks for what I do 
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/15/09 05:43 AM
From what I can read it appears yours is a halloween built 1968 production model year engine. Is there a VIN sequence number up on top of the rear bell housing mounting flange?
Posted By: srt
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/15/09 05:47 AM
Scott what is the SPD of the st louis car your pic shows?
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/15/09 06:06 AM
I don't have that info on that particular block#
Posted By: 6PakBee
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/15/09 02:56 PM
Quote:
Quote:
Attention all: talk about a small world, Roger here (last reply) is the gentleman that has the actual block for my 1966 Belvedere II Hemi car (bought it off the second owner of the car). I finally chased him down today after many hours of internet searching to find he was the last posting on this trail.
What a wonderful Mopar world we live in - you would never find Chevy people doing this!!!!!
It sounded like he had no idea there was any connection to your car when he made that post?? Talk about finding something right in front of you. Unbelievable. And berrost has a whopping TWELVE posts and runs into this!!
Did the block go from California to North Dakota? No hopefully back to California?
Congratulations.
Autoxcuda is spot on. I just threw the post out as a 'by the way...' comment. I was more than just a little shocked when berrost called last night and asked about the block. I bought it over 20 years ago from a guy in Billings, MT who now appears to be the second owner of the car berrost has. Unreal. It truly is a small world.
Posted By: hemi-itis
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/15/09 02:57 PM
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From what I can read it appears yours is a halloween built 1968 production model year engine. Is there a VIN sequence number up on top of the rear bell housing mounting flange?
Yes,but nothing on the "pad"Vin shows as "8g190100.THANKS
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/15/09 03:36 PM
The stamping on the upper bell housing is where the VIN Sequence is located on most 1968 Hemi's, not on the lower pad on the side of the block, and usually not much on the pad opposite the distributor either. So that
IS the VIN sequence# you found.
Posted By: hemi-itis
Re: Where did this 426 Hemi come from? - 11/15/09 03:55 PM
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The stamping on the upper bell housing is where the VIN Sequence is located on most 1968 Hemi's, not on the lower pad on the side of the block, and usually not much on the pad opposite the distributor either. So that IS the VIN sequence# you found.
It would be very cool if this standard bore block could find it's body
