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Hologen headlamp conversion

Posted By: Dougsmopars

Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/16/09 08:46 PM

Does anyone make a good conversion buld set up? Most of the ones i've seen all look like motorcycle headlamps. I'd like to try and stay stock looking. Any compianes make the lens houseings that look like stock sealed beams?
Posted By: HealthServices

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/16/09 08:52 PM

Best thing to do to start is go with a relay set up so you will at least get battery voltage at the headlight.

80% of the headlights sold now are at least halogen over the counter. If you want to step up from that you can go to a Hella headlamp setup.
Posted By: Dougsmopars

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/16/09 08:58 PM

I have the relay kit. I'm looking for something like Hella. But i want to keep them looking stock. All the ones i've seen so far are clear flat glass like a motorcycle. I'd like to find some that look like stock sealed beams
Posted By: HealthServices

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/16/09 09:11 PM

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/classicgarage_2058_83345840

What's wrong with these?
Posted By: HealthServices

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/16/09 09:13 PM

http://www.myhellalights.com/halogen_lamps/5.75_inch_Round_Conversion_Headlamp.html#
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/16/09 09:17 PM

If you want "stock looking" what's wrong with halogen sealed beams?
Posted By: HealthServices

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/16/09 09:19 PM

Basically you are looking for a h5006 bulb (low beam) but in a seal beam though right?

Posted By: Dougsmopars

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/16/09 11:07 PM

Those would work. Do they take the H4 bulbs?
Posted By: Dougsmopars

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/16/09 11:09 PM

Hologen sealed beams are not as bright as the newer hologen lights.
Posted By: stumpy

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/16/09 11:11 PM

But are they very much brighter than standard bulbs?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/17/09 01:04 AM

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Hologen sealed beams are not as bright as the newer hologen lights.




I think a lot of the difference is in your minds

It depends on the wattage of whatever "hologen lights" you are talking about, but the REALLY big thing is that these old girls never had decent SIZED wiring to begin with. Putting lamp relays out under the hood with larger wire feeds helps immensely
Posted By: HealthServices

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/17/09 01:21 AM

When you click the link for the picture it says H4 in the center of the bulb. So I would say yes.

http://www.myhellalights.com/halogen_lamps/5.75_inch_Round_Conversion_Headlamp.html#
Posted By: Dougsmopars

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/17/09 01:34 AM

Just ordered a set from summit
Posted By: plazomat

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/17/09 01:42 AM

Keep us in the loop, I am looking into this for next year after the 120A alternator upgrade...

Plaz
Posted By: In_The_Pink

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/17/09 04:16 AM

Sealed beam headlamps and headlamp housings which take a replaceable bulb (such as an H4) are totally different.

Do you want more light, more brightness, or a better light pattern?

I suggest you check out the info at www.rallylights.com regarding light patterns and the differences in U.S. and European code conversion headlamps.
Posted By: Dougsmopars

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/18/09 12:04 AM

I checked out that link. Didn't find any info on light patterns. I'm looking for a brighter , whiter light. And yes i know there different. Orignal question was who makes a good conversion headlamp.
Posted By: In_The_Pink

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/18/09 02:35 AM

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I checked out that link. Didn't find any info on light patterns. I'm looking for a brighter, whiter light. And yes i know there different.




Look here: http://www.rallylights.com/hella/Beams.aspx

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Orignal question was who makes a good conversion headlamp.




Hella makes an excellent conversion headlamp. I've used Hella E-code conversion lamps on three of my vehicles which previously used sealed beam halogen bulbs and highly recommend them to everyone.
Posted By: 72roadrunnergtx

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/18/09 03:22 AM

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Hella makes an excellent conversion headlamp. I've used Hella E-code conversion lamps on three of my vehicles which previously used sealed beam halogen bulbs and highly recommend them to everyone.




I will second that.



Posted By: plazomat

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/18/09 03:31 AM

Anyone ever use these Autopal from Ebay...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/5-3%2F4"-...261810004r35980

How do they work?

Thanks
Plaz
Posted By: Dougsmopars

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/18/09 08:44 PM

If those are the ones from Pro Street Lighting stay very far away. There junk. I bought a set. The reflectors were falling off the bulbs didn't even fit the housings. Cheap China made crap. Sent them back for a refund but still lost 30 bucks on shipping. I just got my Hella's from Summit. They look great. H4 and H1 high beam set. Going to install maybe tomorrow with my relay kit.
Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/18/09 09:01 PM

Sounds nice. Where do you get the relay kit? Does Hella sell it also, or does it come with the lights?

Tav
Posted By: landon1

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/18/09 10:01 PM

i wired-up my own with relays and fuses from radio shack for about $15 (i have wire already) for use with the halogen sealed beams in my car...or you can spend about $100 for a harness already made
Posted By: In_The_Pink

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/19/09 01:40 AM

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Sounds nice. Where do you get the relay kit? Does Hella sell it also, or does it come with the lights?

Tav




I bought mine with my Hella conversion lamps from www.rallylights.com

Here's some info: http://www.rallylights.com/hella/HeadlampWiring.aspx
Posted By: Dougsmopars

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/19/09 02:32 AM

I got the conversion head light wire harness with relays from Painless. It's all plug and play.
Posted By: LimeliteAero

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/19/09 03:16 PM

for the guys who have done the conversion, How did you get your power to the relays? I want to maintain as close to factory look as I can. I want to conceal the conversion as much as possible.

the paionless site says to gain power from the battery. How is that done? right from the battery or not?

TIA!
Posted By: HealthServices

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/19/09 03:49 PM

Easy power tap would be the starter relay.
Posted By: cogen80

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/19/09 04:08 PM

Quote:

for the guys who have done the conversion, How did you get your power to the relays? I want to maintain as close to factory look as I can. I want to conceal the conversion as much as possible.

the paionless site says to gain power from the battery. How is that done? right from the battery or not?

TIA!





if ya want it to look stock as possible i would hide the relays under the battery tray and just get main power from the starter relay
Posted By: cogen80

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/19/09 04:16 PM

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I checked out that link. Didn't find any info on light patterns. I'm looking for a brighter, whiter light. And yes i know there different.




Look here: http://www.rallylights.com/hella/Beams.aspx

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Orignal question was who makes a good conversion headlamp.




Hella makes an excellent conversion headlamp. I've used Hella E-code conversion lamps on three of my vehicles which previously used sealed beam halogen bulbs and highly recommend them to everyone.






are these the lights your talking about?
http://www.autobahnpower.com/products.asp?recnumber=422
Posted By: 500Stroker

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/19/09 04:52 PM

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are these the lights your talking about?
http://www.autobahnpower.com/products.asp?recnumber=422




Looks like the same ones I just bought for my car. Did not install them yet.
Posted By: Pool Fixer

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/19/09 04:58 PM

I just got done with this but wasn't concerned with looking stock. just wanted good quality stuff that I wouldn't have to mess with. I did it in a way where I could uninstall it in about 15 minutes and simply plug my stock stuff back in.

btw, wire size is not an issue with the existing stock setup. 16g feeds the lights. the real issue is all that resistance because the factory didn't use relays and old wiring. look at newer cars...my 99 grand prix uses 16g for the lights.

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Posted By: Pool Fixer

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/19/09 04:59 PM

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Posted By: 72roadrunnergtx

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/19/09 07:11 PM

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for the guys who have done the conversion, How did you get your power to the relays? I want to maintain as close to factory look as I can. I want to conceal the conversion as much as possible.




Starter relay works just fine.



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are these the lights your talking about?
http://www.autobahnpower.com/products.asp?recnumber=422




Looks correct for the 7" (2 headlight) Hella E-code version in discussion here.


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btw, wire size is not an issue with the existing stock setup. 16g feeds the lights. the real issue is all that resistance because the factory didn't use relays and old wiring. look at newer cars...my 99 grand prix uses 16g for the lights.




Keep in mind wire has voltage drop, the higher the current the more voltage drop for a given wire diameter per foot. A four headlamp Hella system with standard sized bulbs(2 55/60 watt H4s and 2 60watt H1s), on high beam will pull about 17amps of total current, considerably less voltage drop on a 12ga wire than on a 16ga.
H4 and H1 bulbs are available in wattages that will simply melt 16 gauge wiring.
Posted By: In_The_Pink

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/19/09 07:52 PM

Quote:

Quote:

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I checked out that link. Didn't find any info on light patterns. I'm looking for a brighter, whiter light. And yes i know there different.




Look here: http://www.rallylights.com/hella/Beams.aspx

Quote:

Orignal question was who makes a good conversion headlamp.




Hella makes an excellent conversion headlamp. I've used Hella E-code conversion lamps on three of my vehicles which previously used sealed beam halogen bulbs and highly recommend them to everyone.






are these the lights your talking about?
http://www.autobahnpower.com/products.asp?recnumber=422




Yes they are.
Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/19/09 08:22 PM

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Keep in mind wire has voltage drop, the higher the current the more voltage drop for a given wire diameter per foot. A four headlamp Hella system with standard sized bulbs(2 55/60 watt H4s and 2 60watt H1s), on high beam will pull about 17amps of total current, considerably less voltage drop on a 12ga wire than on a 16ga.
H4 and H1 bulbs are available in wattages that will simply melt 16 gauge wiring.





Yikes!

What gauge wire would you recommend, or what wattage should we limit ourselves to if keeping the 16 gauge wire? Would keeping the 16 gauge wire defeat the purpose?

Tav
Posted By: 72roadrunnergtx

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/19/09 09:14 PM

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What gauge wire would you recommend, or what wattage should we limit ourselves to if keeping the 16 gauge wire? Would keeping the 16 gauge wire defeat the purpose?




IMO, 12ga. minimum on the secondary side of the relays.
Defeat the purpose? Even if you stick with the 16ga wiring the relays are a must for this conversion.

From a previous thread on this subject,
"The sealed beam headlamps used on these cars originally were at best 15-20watts. On a four headlamp car, that is about 3amps for the low beams and roughly 8 amps on all four high beams. All this current passes through the headlight switch, dimmer switch, and the bulkhead connector using 16ga. wiring. Upgrading to a four lamp system with 55/60 watt low beam H4s and 55 watt H1 high beams will bring that current draw to about 8amps on low beam and upwards of 17amps with all four high beams burning. The original 40-yearold switches, wiring and connectors will not last long at that rate. Do yourself a favor and install the relays and run at least 12ga. wires on the secondary side."
Posted By: In_The_Pink

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/19/09 09:49 PM

I use the 60/55W H4 bulbs and IMHO, they are plenty bright with great visibility. I don't do much driving with my high beams on, so that may be more of a factor for others.
Posted By: Dougsmopars

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/19/09 10:20 PM

No those are 7 inch. My 68 is 5 something inches. But they look like that
Posted By: Dougsmopars

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 07/19/09 10:25 PM

With the painless conversion wireharness you don't use your stock lamp wiring. You plug one of your stock lamp plugs into there harness. It will only act as the trigger for the relay. They supply the wiring for your 4 head lamps. Just unplug your stock harness and let it sit there.
Posted By: Kirby

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 08/25/09 05:17 PM

Stupid question. But on a 4 headlight system (71 Cuda')- do you have to have a relay for each light, or can you run 2 off of 1 relay? Thanks
Posted By: 72roadrunnergtx

Re: Hologen headlamp conversion - 08/25/09 05:36 PM

Two relays, one for the low beam circuit and one for the high beams (all four).
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