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15" Rallye Trim ring question

Posted By: jrwoodjoe

15" Rallye Trim ring question - 07/06/09 08:35 PM

I have a set of 15 x 6.5 rallye wheels and would like to know if the trim ring that is on it is considered 15 x 6.5 or 15 x 7. Thinking about going with a polished ring instead of brushed and not sure what I should be looking for as a replacement.

Thanks, Joe
Posted By: chagjr

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 07/06/09 10:23 PM

COKER TIRE
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 07/06/09 11:51 PM

I have 15X6.5 Ralleys on my 71 Challenger, and I used the polished factory 15X7 trim rings, no fit issuses, or oddball gaps

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Posted By: Snoopy

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 07/07/09 07:20 AM

Most of the factory 15" Rallye trim rings were actually for the 15x6.5" rim and were 1/2" thinner than the real 15x7" trim rings. The latest MP 15x7 trim rings are 3" deep instead of the 2 1/2" older ones. I don't think the new ones or the original 15x7" trim rings will fit a 15x6.5" Rallye wheel.

15x7" Left and 15x6.5" Right

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Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 07/07/09 09:40 AM

Quote:

Most of the factory 15" Rallye trim rings were actually for the 15x6.5" rim and were 1/2" thinner than the real 15x7" trim rings. The latest MP 15x7 trim rings are 3" deep instead of the 2 1/2" older ones. I don't think the new ones or the original 15x7" trim rings will fit a 15x6.5" Rallye wheel.

15x7" Left and 15x6.5" Right








That's interesting, I checked the measurement and you were right, I compared a set of "New" 15X7 repro trim rings to the ones I have on the (15X7 trimrings) Challenger (which I purchased in the early 80"s),,,,,there is a 1/2" difference........tonight I'll try fitting a "new" ring on?.....see if it fits?
Posted By: jrwoodjoe

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 07/07/09 11:51 AM

Snoopy...you never cease to amaze me with reference pics.

That is really helpful guys. Thank you!
Posted By: Snoopy

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 07/07/09 06:29 PM

Back in the early 70's, when Chrysler released their 15x6.5" Rallye wheels, they decided to make the trim rings fit the new 15x6.5" Rallye wheels. So they modified the dies that were used to make the 15x7" rings. For some reason, known only to Chrysler, they used the same part numbers that were used for the original 15x7" rings. This came back to bite them on the butt when they decided to reproduce the original 15x7" trim rings. After they made a batch of the new rings, they discovered that they had reproduced the 15x6.5" trim rings instead of the 15x7".

So if you bought a set of 3461043 or 3461222 after 1972 and before 2008, you probably got the 15x6.5" trim rings.

The latest trim rings from Chrysler are the correct 15x7" rings.
Posted By: Hoof Hearted

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 07/07/09 07:16 PM

Quote: "So if you bought a set of 3461043 or 3461222 after 1972 and before 2008, you probably got the 15x6.5" trim rings."


Ummmm, Not so. I have brand "new" set of 4 15x7 Polished Trim rings with P/N 3461043, made 8/29/06, still in the plastic bags. I temporarily mounted 2 on my 71 SE with 15x7 wheels and they fit perfectly, no gaps. The polished reflective area measures 3" from the inside, and has an overall depth of 3 1/4+". IF I measure the Back Side of the trim ring, it measures 3 3/4" edge to edge.

Again, P/N 3461043, build tag of 8/29/06. Mine are the same as the left ones in Snoopy's pic. I still have 3 6.5" ones in great shape I have no need for(Anyone wants them? )

These have never seen the road and I'd gladly trade them for the correct (for my '71)-Brushed style rings. Yes i'll be at carlilse this weekend and can bring them.
Posted By: Snoopy

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 07/07/09 07:52 PM

The trim rings you have are not P/N 3461043.

They are:

P3461043 Trim Ring, Chrome, 15" x 7" Rims

This is a parts tag on a box containing a 15x6.5" Rallye Trim Ring.


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Posted By: Snoopy

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 07/07/09 08:45 PM

Quote:

I have a set of 15 x 6.5 Rallye wheels and would like to know if the trim ring that is on it is considered 15 x 6.5 or 15 x 7. Thinking about going with a polished ring instead of brushed and not sure what I should be looking for as a replacement.

Thanks, Joe



Chrysler discontinued the 3461043 and 3461222 trim rings in 2005 or 6. There are still a few floating around. I bought a set a couple of months ago.
When they decided to reproduce the 15x7" and screwed up the first batch, they decided to put them in the system.

P5153310 Trim Ring, Deep Dish, Bright Finish, 15" X 6.5" Rallye
Wheel, Road Wheel and Steel Wheel Applications,
Posted By: Mancini Racing

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 07/07/09 09:31 PM

We stock the original Mopar 15 x 7 trim rings in both brushed and chrome.

The correct part numbers are:

P3461043 - Chrome
P3461222 - Brushed

These are the correct dimensions for the 15" Rallye or steel wheel applications and will not fit the 15 X 6.5 wheels

Thanks.

Mancini Racing
800-843-2821
www.manciniracing.com

Proud sponsor of Moparts!
Posted By: Hoof Hearted

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 07/07/09 09:35 PM

Quote: "The trim rings you have are not P/N 3461043. They are: P3461043 Trim Ring, Chrome, 15" x 7" Rims"



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Ok Snoop.

Here's pic one:

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Posted By: Hoof Hearted

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 07/07/09 09:36 PM

Here's pic Two:

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Posted By: Hoof Hearted

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 07/07/09 09:37 PM

Here's pic Three :

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Posted By: Hoof Hearted

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 07/07/09 09:39 PM

HEY Snoop, Here's Pic Four (Don't tell me what I know) Mounted on 15x7" Rallyes, NOT 15x6.5's:

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Posted By: Snoopy

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 07/07/09 11:14 PM

Hoof Hearted
Yours are not 3461043, they are P3461043. Different part numbers, different parts. I think you should reread my previous posts throughly before you comment.
Posted By: Hoof Hearted

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 07/07/09 11:48 PM

Hang on the Snoopy, Hang on. I have clearly shown in Exibit One (Above), that my Trim rings are labeled P/N 3461043 NOT P3461043.

Get your Eyes checked.

Anyone out there in Mopartsland smarter than a Visually impaired Guy from the west coast named after a cartoon Dog OR an equally thickheaded guy (with photographic evidence, mind you) from the east coast named after a race horse?

Care to chime in kids?
Posted By: BDW

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 07/08/09 12:40 AM

I think you stepped in "it" Hoof.

I clearly see a P in your pic.
Posted By: Snoopy

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 07/08/09 12:43 AM

Quote:

Hang on the Snoopy, Hang on. I have clearly shown in Exibit One (Above), that my Trim rings are labeled P/N 3461043 NOT P3461043.

Get your Eyes checked.

Anyone out there in Mopartsland smarter than a Visually impaired Guy from the west coast named after a cartoon Dog OR an equally thickheaded guy (with photographic evidence, mind you) from the east coast named after a race horse?

Care to chime in kids?



Hoof in mouth, it sure ain't you?

Take a look at your own picture.

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Posted By: Twisted

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 07/08/09 12:58 AM

Quote:

Quote: "The trim rings you have are not P/N 3461043. They are: P3461043 Trim Ring, Chrome, 15" x 7" Rims"



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Ok Snoop.

Here's pic one:


I am kind of in between the coasts and not named after anything but my car. No glasses nor any needed but I see P/N P 3461043. P for performance division reproduction not origonal.
Posted By: Hoof Hearted

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 07/08/09 03:00 AM

oooops. You're right dammit.

Eye guess Eye only Sea what Eye Wanted to see.

I was wrong.

HOWEVER, They do fit a 15x7 rim only, not a 15x6.5"...

Thanks Aaron, Appologies (with reservations) to Snoopy.
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 07/08/09 03:02 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote: "The trim rings you have are not P/N 3461043. They are: P3461043 Trim Ring, Chrome, 15" x 7" Rims"



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Ok Snoop.

Here's pic one:


I am kind of in between the coasts and not named after anything but my car. No glasses nor any needed but I see P/N P 3461043. P for performance division reproduction not origonal.











I'm on the "right" coast .....and I clearly see the differance in the "P/N#" and "P" numbers,........ Snoopy, the "Red Baron" didn't shoot you down!


OK I tried a NEW repro 15X7 Chrysler trim ring, it dosen't fit the 15X6.5 rim, leaves about just an 1/8 gap around the rim without seating properly.......Joe if you need some trimrings for your 6.5 ralleys, .....I looked thru my stash and have 3 nice original 2 1/2" depth Chrysler 15x6.5 Trimrings, you pay postage to your door you can have them,....they are the polished style,....PM me here




Mike
Posted By: jrwoodjoe

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 07/08/09 01:07 PM

Quote:

I looked thru my stash and have 3 nice original 2 1/2" depth Chrysler 15x6.5 Trimrings, you pay postage to your door you can have them



INCREDIBLY Generous Mike. Thanks for the offer. I'll PM you with what I have and would appreciate your input.

Joe
Posted By: TWS

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 08/28/09 09:53 AM

Quote:

Quote:

I have a set of 15 x 6.5 Rallye wheels and would like to know if the trim ring that is on it is considered 15 x 6.5 or 15 x 7. Thinking about going with a polished ring instead of brushed and not sure what I should be looking for as a replacement.

Thanks, Joe



Chrysler discontinued the 3461043 and 3461222 trim rings in 2005 or 6. There are still a few floating around. I bought a set a couple of months ago.
When they decided to reproduce the 15x7" and screwed up the first batch, they decided to put them in the system.

P5153310 Trim Ring, Deep Dish, Bright Finish, 15" X 6.5" Rallye
Wheel, Road Wheel and Steel Wheel Applications,



Snoopy...the first batch of P3461043 trim rings were screwed up? What was screwed up, the depth?When they decided to put them in the system...were they put in as P3461043 or 3461043? In other words, are there any P3461043 tagged trim rings out there that are the wrong depth?
Posted By: mccannix

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 08/28/09 11:12 AM

Here's the only label you should see on a true first run 15x7 brushed ring....

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Posted By: mccannix

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 08/28/09 11:16 AM

....or this one if you happened to buy in Canada from a dealer.
Both these were purchased in early 70's and are true 15x7's.
Both are from the same factory used Georgia vendor, just different labels applied for shipping to the US and Canadian depots.
What Snoopy states is correct.. there was a changeover point in the early 70's when the 15x6.5's replaced the 15x7's even though both shared the same pn.
Once after ordering and receiving a set of 3461043 15x7 rings in a Chrysler bag, I ordered a second set and got three 6.5's sent and one 7 inch.
Will post a pic of the 043 label later.
Although the currect 15x7 rings offered are quite nice they can be told from originals.

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Posted By: Snoopy

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 08/28/09 06:24 PM

Quote:

Snoopy...the first batch of P3461043 trim rings were screwed up? What was screwed up, the depth?When they decided to put them in the system...were they put in as P3461043 or 3461043? In other words, are there any P3461043 tagged trim rings out there that are the wrong depth?



They used the prints and reworked die for the 6.5" rings when they made the first batch of the latest 7" trim rings. They caught their mistake and, as far as I know, never released any of the new 6.5" batch with the P3461043 or P3461222 part numbers.

Here are a few pictures of 6.5" tags for comparison.

Oct 24, 1980

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Posted By: Snoopy

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 08/28/09 06:25 PM

Sept 24, 1990

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Posted By: Snoopy

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 08/28/09 06:39 PM

Here is the original post that started it all.
Original style 15x7 Trim Rings-Available Again????
Posted By: Hoof Hearted

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 08/28/09 11:01 PM

Hey Snoop and Dayclona,

I got glasses and see much better now.
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 08/29/09 12:28 AM

Quote:

Hey Snoop and Dayclona,

I got glasses and see much better now.









They look good!

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Posted By: TWS

Re: 15" Rallye Trim ring question - 08/29/09 01:33 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Snoopy...the first batch of P3461043 trim rings were screwed up? What was screwed up, the depth?When they decided to put them in the system...were they put in as P3461043 or 3461043? In other words, are there any P3461043 tagged trim rings out there that are the wrong depth?



They used the prints and reworked die for the 6.5" rings when they made the first batch of the latest 7" trim rings. They caught their mistake and, as far as I know, never released any of the new 6.5" batch with the P3461043 or P3461222 part numbers.

Here are a few pictures of 6.5" tags for comparison.

Oct 24, 1980



Thanks Snoopy! And Terry too! (man, do you have one of every part ever made? LOL)
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