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Hemi Valve lash adj on hyd. lifters

Posted By: Rat_Exterminator

Hemi Valve lash adj on hyd. lifters - 06/27/09 07:38 PM

Fresh 426 with noisy valve train I hope. Pulled valve cover and some pushrods are loose enough to rotate by hand pretty easy. tighten till they don't turn and then go 3/4 turn further is the advice I've been given(being sure that lifter is not on a lobe of course). Am I close any other suggestions? Engine has about 500 street miles on it. THanks Greg
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: Hemi Valve lash adj on hyd. lifters - 06/27/09 07:44 PM

Use a lash chart,......what type of Hyd lifters,......anti-pump ups?

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Posted By: Rat_Exterminator

Re: Hemi Valve lash adj on hyd. lifters - 06/27/09 08:00 PM

Comp cams 867-16 with Pro magnum hydraulics is what my invoice has on it from builder.
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: Hemi Valve lash adj on hyd. lifters - 06/27/09 08:14 PM

Depending on how much you push the RPM with your Hemi, they like a little room for wiggle,.....I myself would start off with 0 lash, meaning, lash the engine according to the chart, tighten the adjuster till the pushrod no longer spins freely in your finger,has just a remote feel of drag on it......if the engine still sounds "loose", 0 lash, then 1/2 turn, remember the Hemi, hyd or not, has it's own unique valvetrain clack
Posted By: Rat_Exterminator

Re: Hemi Valve lash adj on hyd. lifters - 06/27/09 09:43 PM

most adjusters only needed 1/2 to 1 turns, #8 cylinder which is where the noise seemed to be took about 5 or 6 turns, adjuster is now just below locknut, where others are 3/16 above. will this be ok? can I put plugs in and start without VC on for a minute or will this throw oil everywhere? makes me nervous why this one is so different. bad lifter, wiped cam? Not trying to be a pessimist, just sick of throwing money at this engine. Edit: threw it back together, everything sounds quiet, noise is gone. only concern now is that one adjuster that is so far down and why. Thanks Greg
Posted By: torkrules

Re: Hemi Valve lash adj on hyd. lifters - 06/28/09 02:42 AM

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most adjusters only needed 1/2 to 1 turns, #8 cylinder which is where the noise seemed to be took about 5 or 6 turns, adjuster is now just below locknut, where others are 3/16 above. will this be ok? can I put plugs in and start without VC on for a minute or will this throw oil everywhere? makes me nervous why this one is so different. bad lifter, wiped cam? Not trying to be a pessimist, just sick of throwing money at this engine. Edit: threw it back together, everything sounds quiet, noise is gone. only concern now is that one adjuster that is so far down and why. Thanks Greg




What is important is that only one or two threads are showing below the rocker. If this is not the case the ball of the adjuster/push rod cup will not get lubed properly. I'm running the same lifters with 1/2 turn pre-load and still hear the valve train tick slightly. Hemi rocker gear is noisy and the big sheet metal valve covers act like megaphones, amplifying the noise.
Posted By: Rat_Exterminator

Re: Hemi Valve lash adj on hyd. lifters - 06/29/09 11:08 PM

Talked to the builder today, he couldn't really help with diagnosis over the phone. He's going to send me another lifter to swap out. I'm hoping I can pull it out without pulling the intake, Any suggestions or advice? looks like a pair of long needlenose and I could grab it and pull it out thru the head openings. Hope to get new lifter in, run it a few minutes, adjust valve lash and put the valve cover back on. Yes, No, Maybe? Thanks Greg
Posted By: RUNCHARGER

Re: Hemi Valve lash adj on hyd. lifters - 06/29/09 11:11 PM

This doesn't sound good, are you able to have a look at that cam lobe? I'm nervous about this one.

Sheldon
Posted By: Rat_Exterminator

Re: Hemi Valve lash adj on hyd. lifters - 06/30/09 01:55 AM

IF I can get old lifter out I will be able to get a look at the lobe. Somewhere I've lost about 1/4 inch in length of lifter, pushrod and cam (off lobe), best I can hope for is lifter. This is the 2nd round of problems. 1st time @ 200 miles 3 pistons seized to bore of brand new block, Builder blamed dyno guy for engine too lean, Quoted $4500 to bore .030 and rebuild again, settled at $2200 after he read moparts post and opinions about it. Both times he did start up and break in at his shop. Called today and talked to his partner who's 1st comment was "we'd need to get paid to work on it at all. No warranty, if part fails after 3 minutes, mfg will do nothing" After he talked to builder he called me back and agreed to send me a lifter.
After spending 12K there, would've expected a little more courtesy and customer service.
Posted By: RUNCHARGER

Re: Hemi Valve lash adj on hyd. lifters - 06/30/09 02:04 AM

It's the modern world it seems. Honestly I think you should pull the intake manifold and look at the cam. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but I really think the cam is munched. Better off not cranking it again until you know what is going on.
The pushrod ball is still on the end of the adjuster right?

Sheldon
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: Hemi Valve lash adj on hyd. lifters - 06/30/09 02:12 AM

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I'm nervous about this one.


Me too, it needs to be dug into(right now)and on the lash I would move the pushrod up/down as opposed to spinning it to find absolute zero lash. EDIT after spending 12K I'd talk to a lawyer, no doubt about it.
Posted By: Rat_Exterminator

Re: Hemi Valve lash adj on hyd. lifters - 06/30/09 02:28 AM

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The pushrod ball is still on the end of the adjuster right?

Sheldon




yes it is. Rear main is leaking too, probably best to take it to a shop that can diagnose it and do whatever it takes to fix it. I've got a couple good referrals here in Michigan but looking for suggestions if anyone has any. I'll stick to what I do and write the check (again).

Posted By: MLR426

Re: Hemi Valve lash adj on hyd. lifters - 06/30/09 12:08 PM

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IF I can get old lifter out I will be able to get a look at the lobe. Somewhere I've lost about 1/4 inch in length of lifter, pushrod and cam (off lobe), best I can hope for is lifter. This is the 2nd round of problems. 1st time @ 200 miles 3 pistons seized to bore of brand new block, Builder blamed dyno guy for engine too lean, Quoted $4500 to bore .030 and rebuild again, settled at $2200 after he read moparts post and opinions about it. Both times he did start up and break in at his shop. Called today and talked to his partner who's 1st comment was "we'd need to get paid to work on it at all. No warranty, if part fails after 3 minutes, mfg will do nothing" After he talked to builder he called me back and agreed to send me a lifter.
After spending 12K there, would've expected a little more courtesy and customer service.




To many BS problems with your engine, sounds like the shop has no idea what they are doing. Don't allow yourself to be finacially drained by these individuals. 3 pistons seize afterward and engine
builder blames it on lean condition on dyno, are you kidding me. Then they require you to pay again,this says alot about the people your dealing with get away from them. They don't have a clue what there doing.

logan426
Posted By: VanishPt

Re: Hemi Valve lash adj on hyd. lifters - 06/30/09 12:34 PM



and an oil leak
Posted By: torkrules

Re: Hemi Valve lash adj on hyd. lifters - 06/30/09 03:57 PM

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IF I can get old lifter out I will be able to get a look at the lobe. Somewhere I've lost about 1/4 inch in length of lifter, pushrod and cam (off lobe), best I can hope for is lifter. This is the 2nd round of problems. 1st time @ 200 miles 3 pistons seized to bore of brand new block, Builder blamed dyno guy for engine too lean, Quoted $4500 to bore .030 and rebuild again, settled at $2200 after he read moparts post and opinions about it. Both times he did start up and break in at his shop. Called today and talked to his partner who's 1st comment was "we'd need to get paid to work on it at all. No warranty, if part fails after 3 minutes, mfg will do nothing" After he talked to builder he called me back and agreed to send me a lifter.
After spending 12K there, would've expected a little more courtesy and customer service.




Just a shot in the dark here, but does this engine have lash caps. I've seen cases where they fell out for whatever reason, this will cause the gap to grow.

If you lost a quarter inch without lash caps, than either the plunger is stuck down (long shot)or I'm sorry to say in my opinion the lobe has worn down. Replacing the lifter will not fix this. How was the break in done? Did they use an addidtive plus a good break in oil?

You might be able to get the lifter out without pulling the intake, but it will be a juggling act trying to maneuver the lifter with pliers to the space between the ports.

Intake is pretty easy to pull (I should know, I've done it a hundred times last year chasing what I thought was leak). This way you can have a really good look at whats going on with the cam and lifters.

Hope this turns out to be something small.
Posted By: Rat_Exterminator

Re: Hemi Valve lash adj on hyd. lifters - 07/04/09 02:33 PM

Managed to swap lifter without pulling intake, warmed up, adjusted lash, now I'm back where the other adjusters are, noise is gone. Life is good other than the rear main seal leak. Its a 2 pc seal, hopefully can fix it pulling the pan and not the crank too. I am going to get an oil anlysis done just for grins to check on things. Thanks for all the advice. Greg
Posted By: Snoopy

Re: Hemi Valve lash adj on hyd. lifters - 07/04/09 05:25 PM

Can you post a picture of the bottom of the old lifter?
Posted By: torkrules

Re: Hemi Valve lash adj on hyd. lifters - 07/04/09 06:56 PM

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Managed to swap lifter without pulling intake, warmed up, adjusted lash, now I'm back where the other adjusters are, noise is gone. Life is good other than the rear main seal leak. Its a 2 pc seal, hopefully can fix it pulling the pan and not the crank too. I am going to get an oil anlysis done just for grins to check on things. Thanks for all the advice. Greg




Some good news for a change! Glad it was something small.
Posted By: RUNCHARGER

Re: Hemi Valve lash adj on hyd. lifters - 07/04/09 07:17 PM

That's great! Time to buy a lotto ticket. Hope it keeps coming together for you.

Sheldon
Posted By: Rat_Exterminator

Re: Hemi Valve lash adj on hyd. lifters - 07/04/09 10:34 PM

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Can you post a picture of the bottom of the old lifter?


Snoopy it looks brand new, I think the failure was internal as in not pumping up. I'm computer challenged, about all I can do is type. Visibly it still looked perfect.
Posted By: imfixinmopars426

Re: Hemi Valve lash adj on hyd. lifters - 07/04/09 11:25 PM

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IF I can get old lifter out I will be able to get a look at the lobe. Somewhere I've lost about 1/4 inch in length of lifter, pushrod and cam (off lobe), best I can hope for is lifter. This is the 2nd round of problems. 1st time @ 200 miles 3 pistons seized to bore of brand new block, Builder blamed dyno guy for engine too lean, Quoted $4500 to bore .030 and rebuild again, settled at $2200 after he read moparts post and opinions about it. Both times he did start up and break in at his shop. Called today and talked to his partner who's 1st comment was "we'd need to get paid to work on it at all. No warranty, if part fails after 3 minutes, mfg will do nothing" After he talked to builder he called me back and agreed to send me a lifter.
After spending 12K there, would've expected a little more courtesy and customer service.




To many BS problems with your engine, sounds like the shop has no idea what they are doing. Don't allow yourself to be finacially drained by these individuals. 3 pistons seize afterward and engine
builder blames it on lean condition on dyno, are you kidding me. Then they require you to pay again,this says alot about the people your dealing with get away from them. They don't have a clue what there doing.

logan426



gosh,that sounds like a mess..pistons seized?? [Edited by Moparts - Keep it clean]? the ymust have installed el-cheapo lifters too,used? man,too many issues..run from that shop..fast! oh might help to give us a hint were they are so there will be no more cash wasted there. hope you got her figured out!
Posted By: Snoopy

Re: Hemi Valve lash adj on hyd. lifters - 07/05/09 12:40 AM

It sounds like you lucked out, about time eh?
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